Anyone else feel the economy is stagnation?

First i am on a legacy server so that might be a different on others.

Nothing selling no more if it does sells takes days. Sure a lot people are saving up for the houses rolls eyes . and that might be the problem.

Most crafting items are worthless and junk now. Leves now, you got no one selling the hqs items to get them done faster since it faster to just quick synthesis and wait a week. Farming stuff worthless unless shards. Food items no longer sells since all you need is a stack of 99 and last for a month now, should have been you do not lose the food if only raised.

New quests destroyed the material market to the point people just rather go get other gear that is not crafting and the crafting gear is losing value since not worth crafting anymore to spirit bound gears.

Alchemy well still bad. Since should have a potion Hud on the right hand side of the screen for PS3 users and faster timers for everyone.

If planning on not having a economy then just shut it down. Tell people it only a token game. and not to pretend your trying to have a economy in the game.

Thank you
I am sure more people will explain it in saber metric depth.

100th thread about this topic. No need of it, try using the search function.
You will find a lot of posts about this topic (and 99+ copy paste threads lol) , may help expecially if you play on legacy servers where legacy players joined with capped 50 crafters on day 1 filling the marketboard of worthy items sold as crap for a few gils..
No, it's not something you can fix. The playerbase reported it already, Yoshi promised us craft will be worth the time to be 50 at all.
So far i barely touched weaver because curious and used the marketboard couple times top , go figure :p

Big thing sell even slower than they did before. Little thing sell for less. That's been my experience.

Yes, the economy was bad before and a disaster now; it's well documented in the forums and elsewhere.

on top of slowing down sales because of gil hoarding, they ruined alot of sources of income causing people to all flock to few remaining sources, simultaneously causing higher supply and lower demand for pretty much everything. /slowclap

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Originally Posted by mindful

First i am on a legacy server so that might be a different on others.

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I imagine many of us are in a similar situation but I've actually been making decent gil on the very same server, but I know many FC's like mine are hoarding cash for housing. After we get it and new items/etc are introduced I imagine people will be a bit more open with their pocketbooks. Our FC has also been very invested in "creating" new gil, as we always try and get 8 people for maps every day. We had some double maps the other day as well as a couple of ~5k/15 myth payouts which created 25k for all 8 players. That's 200k towards housing without even selling any of the drops or moving gil from other players. Not every day is that good but we are creating more new gil than ever.

The reason for our woes is the result of standard crafting being turned into a class that levels up with experience points to make it a more interesting experience, maybe in an effort to get more people into crafting? I don't know, and while I certainly enjoy how crafting works in this game, I knew from day 1 the economy would suffer as a result of it's ease to cap at 50. You can't have your cake and eat it too, so SE had two choices: Turn crafting into something everyone can jump into to time sink people longer after launch, or keep it status quo so a healthy crafting economy can exist.

SE does things for a reason. They are not idiots and oblivious to the pending results of their decisions. They went for the hail mary time sink because of little content existing in the game. I would not be shocked if in the future, once they are comfortable enough to do it, they start tampering with crafting to make it less accessible on a grand scale so that fewer people are doing it so that crafted items hold value and demand. There are so many ways they could go about this but they will probably do the most simple way possible: Force crafters to choose one craft to be their profession. Only that craft may advance to "AF2" levels, and only that craft will be able to craft new gear and item synths because of the AF2 stat boosts.

Also synths will probably start requiring sub crafts like in FFXI to further lengthen the gap between professional and novice. This is the likely method because I don't think lowering all crafts but the main to like level 30 or something is going to fly with the people after they did the work to reach 50. So crafts stay at 50 but one gets to go to 70 or whatever. All of this effort is a waste if the new items are not desired, so they will have to compliment and or compete with existing end game gear. Lastly this doesn't HAVE TO BE HIGH END GEAR ONLY that Af2s can craft. It can even be gear sub 50s for all I care. The point is to create a market for items. You do this by not allowing everyone and their brother and their grandmother and their grandmother's sister to craft without limitations.

supply and demand


there's no demand for anything and as a result the supply is stockpiling causing inflation.

Now are we talking not selling you one item at 999,999gil slow or are we talking about legitimate price's not selling

prices are tanking because items drop more often but less people are buying

"stagnation" is an overstatement IMO, but things have slowed down a lot because a lot of people are hoarding their gil and not spending it or are only willing to spend smaller amounts. The market is getting oversaturated because people don't want to spend gil, not because there's nothing they'd want to buy.

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Originally Posted by Valcro

They are not idiots and oblivious to the pending results of their decisions.

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I think you are just wearing the rose colored classes a bit too tightly man. I would beg to differ. If you read the newsletter it shows no acknowledgment of faults. Not only that the plain fact of them doing this in the first place and not seeing this was going to happen is a big indicator they have no flippin clue what they are doing. Most of us could have told them what would happen.

In other words, Herpa derp SE. You can't stimulate an economy by putting in a bunch of furniture that either guilds can make themselves or people wont need for a long long time (note: until they can buy a house). You also don't make a huge new economy focus on something that costs millions of gil.. that just makes everyone hoard money. The way I see it..people are going to get sick of saving, get bored of it and not even go for it anymore. And this economy will just stay the same.

They need to make it where the storylines/dungeons stop handing out gear and make crafters viable again. But i fear its a bit too late for that.

Not that Yoshi-P has kept all his promises, but he did say that when the level cap is raised you will only be able to take one craft above 50.
That would really fix the economy when not everyone has all crafts at 50 or near it.

If people have to specialize in one trade, then the post-lvl 50 market will be where you make money. The good thing is pre 50 people can get easily accessible gear and materia for spiritbonding or leveling. When the level cap is 60, or 75, or whatever it is, nobody will care about what your level 50 crafters can make. It will all be about the Megalixirs, potions that restore 2000 hp, haste potions, etc. Crafting ilvl 120 armor

With everyone having access to all crafts, everyone aims for the higher priced faster selling items. And it kills their price until the next item is discovered, and its price killed. With a One-Craft system, that Yoshi-P said 2.0 would get post-level cap increase, the amount of things being sold will drop, and prices will rise.

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Not that Yoshi-P has kept all his promises, but he did say that when the level cap is raised you will only be able to take one craft above 50.
That would really fix the economy when not everyone has all crafts at 50 or near it.

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[citation needed]

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

Not that Yoshi-P has kept all his promises.....

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The problem isn't level cap. The problem is the crafting is pointless in the first place (aside from the consumable market, which is arguable anyway, you don't even need em). Endgame used to be viable now its starting to become less and less so... the main issue is story quests and vendors (most of the time) giving gear out for cheaper that what is sold on the AH. Or in the endgame case, easily attainable via raids and tomes.

IMHO, its way too late to pull back now. They would have to do a huge overhaul of how the system works.. and they don't have another chance for a 3.0. *shrugs*

I have noticed that no matter what I put up, someone is always undercutting me by...well. Okay, I put a pet up on the Marketboards, and some guy came along this morning and undercut me by 50k. When I asked him why he would do that, he said, "You're gouging people and that's not fair!"

Yes, folks, we have White Knights of the AH. >.<

It's like that in every market. People are undercutting by extreme amounts. It's quite frankly ridiculous.

I've come to terms with that fact that past the first months, crafting now only serves as a minigame, the profit margin from buying the mats to making the items is less efficient than grinding dailies.

It's a shame, because the crafting aspect is pretty fun, but it is just not worth it anymore. The mats are cheap, undercutting has pretty much ruined the market, and finding a buyer is very difficult.

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

Not that Yoshi-P has kept all his promises, but he did say that when the level cap is raised you will only be able to take one craft above 50.
That would really fix the economy when not everyone has all crafts at 50 or near it.
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No it won't. you just level a second character. I mastered every damned craft in Wow its not complicated. Less so here because one doesn't need to actually level a combat class to access it past ten.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

I imagine many of us are in a similar situation but I've actually been making decent gil on the very same server, but I know many FC's like mine are hoarding cash for housing. After we get it and new items/etc are introduced I imagine people will be a bit more open with their pocketbooks. Our FC has also been very invested in "creating" new gil, as we always try and get 8 people for maps every day. We had some double maps the other day as well as a couple of ~5k/15 myth payouts which created 25k for all 8 players. That's 200k towards housing without even selling any of the drops or moving gil from other players. Not every day is that good but we are creating more new gil than ever.

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Or sell the bottles and get ~25k per map...

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

Not that Yoshi-P has kept all his promises, but he did say that when the level cap is raised you will only be able to take one craft above 50.

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When did he say this??

Just sucks they stagnated the economy in this day and age , when if they google the 100's mmos out there and seen all the one spent 100k+ real money to fixed it in last 6 years. They could have avoided it. Like there trying to reinvent the wheel on it. If they look at a few the company that have spends millions on economist advisers and got it to work, so the rest of the mmo market no longer need to do it. Hope they got common sense and pay a guy to research it. Should not be a issue.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

I have noticed that no matter what I put up, someone is always undercutting me by...well. Okay, I put a pet up on the Marketboards, and some guy came along this morning and undercut me by 50k. When I asked him why he would do that, he said, "You're gouging people and that's not fair!"

Yes, folks, we have White Knights of the AH. >.<

It's like that in every market. People are undercutting by extreme amounts. It's quite frankly ridiculous.

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howd you know who to send a tell to?

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

howd you know who to send a tell to?

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If you mouse over crafted items, it lists the name of the creator. :-P

Feels like if you didn't get into crafting on release you have a very low chance of making large sums of money now. Shame.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

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Dude how many times have you been proven wrong by me? You should REALLY stop second guessing me at this point. Every time you challenge me I go find you a link and you go MIA without a response.

Like when you said in the LS that Yoshi NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said moogle weapons were going to be ilvl 80 and I got you the link and then you vanished and stopped replying. I'm not even going to bother digging it up this time because you won't acknowledge it. Google.

There was at least one point in time they said they plan on letting you only take one craft past level 50. Whether that is still the plan, I have no idea. It was said though.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

"stagnation" is an overstatement IMO, but things have slowed down a lot because a lot of people are hoarding their gil and not spending it or are only willing to spend smaller amounts. The market is getting oversaturated because people don't want to spend gil, not because there's nothing they'd want to buy.

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I didn't need to buy anything from the market except the weapons and materia I need to complete the relic quests. but with the new titan weapon and ex-primal weapon being as good as relic/+1 .. I prob won't bother with relic anymore. High lvl Gears drops like crazy in dungeon while crafted gears are super expensive. low level gears are useless as I can wear lvl 13 gears from lvl 1 to lvl 50 and go straight into AF/DL. Furniture sales are sucking for obvious reason.

Ask yourself. what exactly does an average player need market place for? My answer is: Nothing

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Originally Posted by Starplayer

When did he say this??

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It was while 1.0 was still up. Dev post. Should still be able to find it in legacy forums - however SEs forum searches are retarded and finding it could take time.

Be good to remind people though that SE said a lot of things in regards to 2.0 that have not panned out though. And some that may have been scrapped altogether.
I'll list an example - Remember they said all dungeon loot was going to be like crystal tower? With letting players only cast a Need roll 3 times per week win or lose? A lot of things and designs change over time. However the taking one craft only past level 50 did seem like a decent idea.

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

It was while 1.0 was still up. Dev post. Should still be able to find it in legacy forums - however SEs forum searches are retarded and finding it could take time.

Be good to remind people though that SE said a lot of things in regards to 2.0 that have not panned out though. And some that may have been scrapped altogether.
I'll list an example - Remember they said all dungeon loot was going to be like crystal tower? With letting players only cast a Need roll 3 times per week win or lose? A lot of things and designs change over time. However the taking one craft only past level 50 did seem like a decent idea.

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He has also said that crafted items wil never be as good as dungeon drops so... there goes any use for it.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

He has also said that crafted items wil never be as good as dungeon drops so... there goes any use for it.

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Which of course, crafted items (non HQ) are as good as dungeon drops, and HQ are better (darklight quality). Only thing better than crafted gear is raid gear (CT, Coil, Trials, Myth gear).

Se should probably go a more WoWish method. Recipes for high level armor only drop in coil, as do mats. Let people craft say lvl 80 or 85 items with extreme effort and sell them for an outstanding price. Nothing is really hard to obtain materials for anymore with the phil prices crashed to nothing. However giving an item that requires a mat from Twintania has a lot of value still.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

but with the new titan weapon and ex-primal weapon being as good as relic/+1 ..

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They aren't as good. In particular, the Titan weapon isn't upgradeable, and the ex-primal weapon has the wrong stats for several classes. :-P

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Dude how many times have you been proven wrong by me?

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Zero? I don't really keep track of every single person I talk to but I can't think of us having many conversations in teh first place.

You thinking you've proven me wrong about anything does not absolve you of your need to cite your sources. There's a difference between if you say "I think they said this somewhere" and asserting it like it's an absolute truth.

I really don't care who you think you are, you cite your sources or I don't give a rats behind what you say.

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Like when you said in the LS that Yoshi NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said moogle weapons were going to be ilvl 80 and I got you the link and then you vanished and stopped replying.

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I never vanish and stop replying. The only thing that ever stops me from posting is this forum's crappy posting limit. But the difference with your given example is you say you provided the link. You've yet to do so here. Until you do, what you say means nothing. Give me an official, RECENT dev post that says this and I will accept that. But stuff said during 1.0 doesn't hold much weight to me, as so many things have changed substantially from what they originally said.

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

It was while 1.0 was still up. Dev post. Should still be able to find it in legacy forums - however SEs forum searches are retarded and finding it could take time.

Be good to remind people though that SE said a lot of things in regards to 2.0 that have not panned out though. And some that may have been scrapped altogether.
I'll list an example - Remember they said all dungeon loot was going to be like crystal tower? With letting players only cast a Need roll 3 times per week win or lose? A lot of things and designs change over time. However the taking one craft only past level 50 did seem like a decent idea.

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This is a fantastic idea and would solve so many problems with crafting and the economy. However, it goes against the extreme casual attitude that SE has adopted as it would mean that everyone can't do everything anymore