Anyone other SMNs running into "Pet Damage Doesn't Count"

This is driving me crazy.

• Someone tells me my DPS is low.
• I think ok maybe I am off, so I look at parser and see my DPS + my Garuda is on the high end of DPS being done.
• I point out my combined DPS, and ask them if this isn't what they are seeing.
• They tell me "Pet Damage Doesn't Count"
• My head explodes.
• They tell me I suck etc etc.
• I just leave, knowing its not worth it to argue.

I have run into this issue in every MMORPG I have played when pet classes are involved. I think the issue started in the days of WoW when Hunter pets would always die from Raid AoE, and thus weren't considered in theorcrafting because "Pets don't count because they die to easily." And its just kind of stuck. That is really the only thing I can think of as to why this line of thinking is around...

Thoughts, examples, sob stories welcome.

As a BLM - Pet damage counts. If I'm not well ahead of SMN in aggro - I'm not doing it right.

(Or the SMN is doing it very right).

Y'know, maybe it's just my MMO past talking (CoH with 'troller pets and Masterminds), but anyone saying that a pet class's pet doesn't count really needs to rethink things.

Or maybe they play SMN and want to use that excuse as a reason to get a buff.

as much as i hate to say it, yes your egi's should count toward your dps, since they are nothing more than an actual extension of you......and its the same with any other pet jobs in every game out there

and second, as a smn, dont become too reliant on any parsers, especially since there isnt one that can parse a smn perfectly, best example of this is: NO parser has successfully parsed shadow flare yet, and thats just one off the top of my head

It is very odd to hear, but the ONLY way to understand this mentality, is to ask the people directly.

And yes, yes it does count.

If you place a DoT on an enemy, or a DoT with an HP bar, its still damage you directed at a target because of your actions and presence.

The answer is simple, a lot of REALLY stupid people play MMOs. Ignore them, they're getting nowhere.

eh? As a BLM I always add up my pet damage to my own. Don't worry m8 Garuda is no less than my Bard, you should add her up to your damage ^^.

Lol Neo. I see what you did there.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Lol Neo. I see what you did there.

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Haha, I saw a thread when 2.1 came out titled "Bard is now caster pet". I could not help myself, best pet ever. All kind of songs with a very good AI (most of the times lel).

The only other way I could imagine why someone would think that, is that pets can be put on autopilot.
Which of course the next response would be "Then auto attacks dont count for physical DPS, since its being done automatically by the game."

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Originally Posted by RoverTX

[*]They tell me "Pet Damage Doesn't Count"

I have run into this issue in every MMORPG I have played when pet classes are involved.

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I've never run into this before. My immediate response would be: "are you a complete ****ing moron?"

As a BLM, I count my pet tank into my dps mix. The only issue is BLM pet upkeep can be such a headache sometimes.

Some people are very stupid. Anytime a pug tells me my dps is slow I tend to ask "and what about Garuda+me?" At which point my damage goes from being just above the bards to above everyone else's. Even if the parsers are inaccurate if it helps other people stop asking stupid questions I'm fine with it.

Are parsers even tracking dot crits properly now? I know they still don't track shadowflare at all, but it'd be nice if they at least tracked our actual dot damage not the projected damage that I believe they used to show.

On topic, I've never had anyone tell me that, so my condolences. Not much you can do there besides accept the fact that some people are stupid and carry on.

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Originally Posted by horaiyo

Are parsers even tracking dot crits properly now? I know they still don't track shadowflare at all, but it'd be nice if they at least tracked our actual dot damage not the projected damage that I believe they used to show.

On topic, I've never had anyone tell me that, so my condolences. Not much you can do there besides accept the fact that some people are stupid and carry on.

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They don't track Contagion, DoT crits or Shadow Flare. They also only estimate non-crit DoT damage, so it may be close, but it will never be truly accurate.

ACT estimates DoT crits based on the crits of all your other damage output. The only thing ACT does not track is Contagion or Shadow Flare.

I will say this, I have never been in a group where someone tried to tell me my dps was lacking. Our guild does use the parsers, and yet I always hear how OP summoners dps is, and most of our groups want a summoner in their coil party (I think only one of our 9 coil groups don't have a sum). People need to stop looking and staring at the parsers and start paying attention to what is actually happening.

IMO, parsers are only useful to help figure out acc cap, parry cap, and things like that. For actual dps, since everything isn't recorded in the battle log, It will NEVER be accurate. How can it figure out my Bio spell is doing 200 damage or 250? It can't, it's not recorded, so it guesses. And if it's going to guess, then it can't be accurate.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

I've never run into this before. My immediate response would be: "are you a complete ****ing moron?"

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LOL i love this response. People are too stupid to do simple math and add two numbers together. Like stated multiple times, anyone who thinks that a pet class' pet damage doesn't count, is just an imbecile. The pet wouldnt be there if you weren't. and you would be RIDICULOUSLY op if you pulled the same numbers that a geared group was doing, and THEN added in your pet.

Not to mention in every other MMO (ie. WoW, Rift, Aion, etc.) you don't see people saying "your pet doesn't count".

They are idiots, remove you self from that group, find another, carry on.

I would gladly trade another summoner nerf for a reliable way to track down our damages and maybe a way to include our pet's dps to our own.

Edit: btw can someone tell me what is the most accurate parser for a SMN?

I've only encountered this rarely on XIV but as a PUP and SMN (who actually USED the avatars from start) on XI, I've gotten a lot of this and it just astounds me.

They're just trolling.
There's absolutely no reason why the damage done by your pet wouldn't "count".

Just ignore them and move on.

No, I've never had this issue, my SMN damage alone (not even counting pet) is usually equal to or only slightly behind the other dps in party, then I get to add in pet, and I'm 30K+ dmg ahead, so wow.

I have never not been well over the top after adding in pet dmg, so when you say you are "near the top end", you probably are doing subpar dmg.

I encounter many mediocre/terrible SMNs in game, makes me cringe every time I see another SMN in group, with equal or many times better gear, do half my dmg.

I was maining BLM till I got the Allagan SMN book and decided to play around with it, picked up the rotation aspect after first day and never had any issues topping the dps charts.

I want people to count Foes reqium's bonus damage as mine D:

Just ask "OK so who does get credit for that damage?"

Really what it boils down to is, parsers are total bs and you shouldn't waste your time. Most of the people who use them have no clue how to properly read them.

For some folks who are truly good at running the numbers, sure they can tweak their performance some but realistically its not going to make that much of a difference once you already know the commonly used rotation of powers for a class.

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Originally Posted by DJJester

Really what it boils down to is, parsers are total bs and you shouldn't waste your time. Most of the people who use them have no clue how to properly read them.

For some folks who are truly good at running the numbers, sure they can tweak their performance some but realistically its not going to make that much of a difference once you already know the commonly used rotation of powers for a class.

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You forget about different equipment, speed of excecution and if somebody is moving too much or too little. Every person's different in how they do X or Y

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Originally Posted by warren-ragnarok

NO parser has successfully parsed shadow flare yet, and thats just one off the top of my head

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ACT has been accurately parsing Flaming Arrow and Shadow Flare for a couple of weeks or so now. It also simulates DoTs very accurately and shows a very nice breakdown of each tick from the simulation. It also includes the player's name next to their egi in the parser, making it easier to distinguish when multiple SMNs are in party.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

ACT has been accurately parsing Flaming Arrow and Shadow Flare for a couple of weeks or so now. It also simulates DoTs very accurately and shows a very nice breakdown of each tick from the simulation. It also includes the player's name next to their egi in the parser, making it easier to distinguish when multiple SMNs are in party.

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From another thread on this forum, you can even combine your Egi's DPS total to your own by renaming the egi in the settings

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

ACT has been accurately parsing Flaming Arrow and Shadow Flare for a couple of weeks or so now. It also simulates DoTs very accurately and shows a very nice breakdown of each tick from the simulation. It also includes the player's name next to their egi in the parser, making it easier to distinguish when multiple SMNs are in party.

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Actually, only a few days, and that comment was made almost a month ago.

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

Actually, only a few days, and that comment was made almost a month ago.

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13 days ago to be exact. That would make it closer to "a couple of weeks or so" than "only a few days".