Your killing the crafters off why?

The strategy about making craft-able armor stats and such no higher than the beginning rewards in Coil is hurting the game. It seems that the prices for craft-able items is hitting the floor. The people that were fans are now leaving the game because the time invested in all the crafting and such has been wasted, It is kind of silly that one dungeon run will get you a better piece of gear than the best you can craft after investing months of work in your crafting system. I think the strategy should be revisited before more give up and walk away. The rewards for the Luminary completion and level 50 quests are also a joke being that they are the same who was the bright mind behind that?

I have to say that i agree with you somewhat. I do understand why SE went that route not wanting crafters to corner the market with the best of the best, top end gear, but the current state of crafting is just sub-par. I started the game to craft and experience a crafting system that looked to be unique and offer something more than just being forced into endgame content to gear up well. Instead i find a beautiful crafting system, that realistically, forces me into the PVE aspect just to make gear to walk into a raid with. I suppose I could even work with this too, but with the current 'content' patch, and battlecraft leves actually being pseudo viable, the influx of the exact same gear i craft on the market is extreme. Crafting is being totally wasted and realistically, is pushing me to another game.

Someone who was a fan of this game only because they could sell crafted gear on the market for 5mil wasn't really a fan in the first place. If they like playing crafting/market simulators, there are plenty of other MMOs that accommodate that playstyle, but this was never intended to be one of them. If it was, they wouldn't allow one character to level all of the crafting professions, would have had cross-server economies, etc.

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

Someone who was a fan of this game only because they could sell crafted gear on the market for 5mil wasn't really a fan in the first place. If they like playing crafting/market simulators, there are plenty of other MMOs that accommodate that playstyle, but this was never intended to be one of them. If it was, they wouldn't allow one character to level all of the crafting professions, would have had cross-server economies, etc.

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That is precisely correct.

I will elaborate for the simple people. It was not to make 5 million on the market but that there was a market that goods sell, because they are worth crafting.
You level a Goldsmith and you make rings and a neck to sell so you can make other things or not. But wait you can now run a new dungeon that awards rings and neck pieces that are better so I guess there is no market for your goods. I guess you could make an Armor-smith but wait there is no market there either. I was suggesting they fix this

I completely agree, it is a really sad path that the markets in general have taken, and that they basically decided that crafting should be non-essential, to the point of it being pointless, is sad. They've basically spent hundreds of man-hours on recipies, classes, gear, quests, etc. and then elected to make them useless in the overall scheme of the game. I really really hope that they find some way to make crafting back into a thing that is useful, gear that has a purpose, etc.

As for the quest and luminary tools being the same, wow, that makes no sense to me at all. Talk about removing reasons to go after a thing, just for vanity now ...

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

If they like playing crafting/market simulators, there are plenty of other MMOs that accommodate that playstyle, but this was never intended to be one of them.

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I don't care about making 5 mil per craft. With that said, this is somewhat incorrect. This game started off with having the best crafting system I have seen in any MMO (and yes I've played a lot, starting with UO). And not just because of the actual action of crafting, but the fact that crafters could do events (Hamlet) and were originally considered a class on equal level with the DoM/DoW classes (questing). They even had plans to get crafters in raids. And were going to have us build airships for airship battles.


They have really thrown everything out the window that made crafting unique and above and beyond any other mmo and have turned it into an afterthought.

For those who love crafting and came into this in 1.0 (or even 2.0 with info from 1.0) it is really really frustrating how they keep pushing us further and further to the side.

Someone because I asked why they are relating crafting to not relevant in this game. says that the thread is clueless. when in fact I would really like a good answer as to why?

The game has 8 DOH, technically that makes them an integral part of the game but very useless in 2.1.
A simple fix would have been to make dungeon and high level primal fight drop very high ** skin/ore/metal/cloth that would only be used by high level crafter **
This would create a synergy of co-dependence

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Originally Posted by fixitman

My reason for enjoying it is simple: I can help others with the skills I acquire along the way. This game is about working together and helping each other out, and that is exactly why I play. The fact of the matter is, crafters are not dying off. They are alive and well, helping others as they were meant to do.

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You know, up until the point where no one wants your help because everyone has 50 crafts of their own.

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

As for the quest and luminary tools being the same, wow, that makes no sense to me at all. Talk about removing reasons to go after a thing, just for vanity now ...

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I believe they added a trait that slows the condition of items going down by 10%, so they do have something extra now.

Crafting is going to end up like FFXI ,nobody bothers , If they were going to degrade it this much , well , take it out alltoghether Yoshi! go Yo-shi! go!

The solution is quite simple if you don't want to take it out Yoshi my friend , pretty simple indeed.
Make gear crafted equivalent to af gear and the rest of them loots!
Also for those not so much thinking people around here , the simple minded .
If you don't want to craft a thing ever in your life , not even cooking a sandwich for yourself when hungry , things are simple as you(sorry) , by ALL means don't , I am fine with you and I will still like you the same , BUT don't take away the joy from the people that struggled to go into a fight with the sword they themselves made or with their own colored piece of armour.

I don't want to look the same as everyone else wearing AF , no way I want to make a heavy armor for me and color it and yes throw in a few materias for a kick and off we go to kick some behinds , OH YAH!

Yoshi you are a hero to me , I am a fledging game desinger myself and the way you pulled up this sunken ship from the bottom of the ocean and made it get to its intented dstinations would make me sing songs in your praise all day long , You are simply awesome , they should make you head of SE.

But always keep an eye for balance between every factor of the game , balance with an eye keen on objectiveness , equalize everyone that plays this game with each other no matter how different they are but still keep their own traits in game , thats a difficult task to achieve and one that can be the fall of every game.

Thanks for reading everyone!

"Let's be honest here, this thread isn't about crafting classes dying. It is about their quick-profit potential having a cap. Most are happy with the moderate profit they make through crafting, a few are even happy just helping others with little-to-no profit (me). The rest apparently go to the forums to complain, because I see no complaints in-game."

You couldn't be any more wrong my friend!
I don't care about money I sell at low prices and if someone asks for anything from my FC or whatnot I will make them HQ gear for the cost of 1gil, my mats and all , in v1 when money was more than you could ever care I did exactly the same , this game gives you other opportunities than just fighting to contribute but for that to be done effectively at high levels we need total equalization between crafted gear and dropped ones.
To be able to craft or gather can make you avoid game burnouts , more variety if you will , but to be able to actually and substancially contrubute is a goal for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Alice_89th

I believe they added a trait that slows the condition of items going down by 10%, so they do have something extra now.

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They did, but let's be a little realistic here.

You spend a few days, maybe a few weeks depend on how hardcore you are, getting to 50 spamming leves. Maybe you go the more costly route and you buy all the fish to spam said leves, you hit 50, knock out the quests and have your rod. Now you have the, arguably, best possible rod in the game.

The luminary, you spend weeks fishing, moving area to area, you can't power level through this, you actually have to fish up your 7000ish fish in the proper locations. For all that time your reward is repairing your rod 10% less often ... YAY ...

The other tools are even more extreme, fishing is literally the shortest grind to a luminary, but none of them are worth the effort. 10% gear wear reduction, I save a minuscule amount of gil on repairs, thanks.

Course, being me, I'm still going to get my rod and in time the others. I just think it's obnoxious to make the stats that count the same as the ones on the quest tools. Having a luminary tool should mean that you've achieved a legendary level of skill, soooooo much practice and all, perfecting your craft. Your tools (luminary not quest) should be equal to that.

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Originally Posted by fixitman

If that were an actual issue, allowing us to craft higher-level gear (the supposed point of this thread) wouldn't matter. There are always fresh DoW classes being leveled, and those classes can utilize a high-level crafter's skills to level easier.

Let's be honest here, this thread isn't about crafting classes dying. It is about their quick-profit potential having a cap. Most are happy with the moderate profit they make through crafting, a few are even happy just helping others with little-to-no profit (me). The rest apparently go to the forums to complain, because I see no complaints in-game.

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Wrong on so many levels.

1. When dungeon drops are just as good crafted sets, people aren't going to spend thousands of gil on them.
2. Crafting classes are dead/dying. Outside of CUL/ALC for food/pots, no one needs crafted items. If you want crafted gear for whatever reason, then all you need is one FC/LS buddy and everyone is good to go.
3. I couldn't care less about profit. I've given away millions worth of items to friends because I could. Then they all leveled up their own crafts. Now, not only do we not need help from each other with regards to crafted items, none of us are required to interact at all with the market. We can farm everything ourselves and we can make everything ourselves. Remind me how this promotes a healthy economy and fosters good relationships.
4. Just because you don't hear complaints in-game doesn't mean they don't happen through private channels. Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by fixitman

I stated this is about the money, this proves my point.

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You stated this is about profit, which my response has little to do with. Why spend gil on something you can get for free? This is an issue regarding principle.

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Originally Posted by fixitman

You are apparently only considering characters who are at end-game, who have no desire to level other DoW classes, and/or have already maxed out all DoH/DoL. That is a very narrow view of the population IMO.

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I like how you ignored my second line. All you need is one friend who has all the crafts level, or one friend for each craft, within your FC or LS and you are good to go on all your crafting needs. And this is only if you are, for whatever reason, unwilling to run dungeons to farm gear yourself (lolFATEspam) or unwilling to level a craft yourself.

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Originally Posted by fixitman

OK, "couldn't care less" is a double-negative meaning you care more for profit. You might have meant that you don't care about profit, but #1 and most of #3 seem pointed directly at profit. Regardless of the effect on the economy, this still proves my point. Crafters are not dying, only their profit is.

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Oh no, I used the wrong phrase. Guess that invalidates everything I said.

You're counterarguing off of one point - that people will level other DoM/DoW classes. So ignoring the other problems I've already mentioned, do tell me what happens when everyone is done leveling alt classes. The only way to avoid that is to have a steady influx of new players, and that's not a permanent solution.

1000 characters is simply obnoxious for any reasonable conversation ...

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Originally Posted by fixitman

I stated this is about the money, this proves my point.

You are apparently only considering characters who are at end-game, who have no desire to level other DoW classes, and/or have already maxed out all DoH/DoL. That is a very narrow view of the population IMO.

OK, "couldn't care less" is a double-negative meaning you care more for profit. You might have meant that you don't care about profit, but #1 and most of #3 seem pointed directly at profit. Regardless of the effect on the economy, this still proves my point. Crafters are not dying, only their profit is.

Agreed, though I must admit I have heard zero complaints. All maxed out crafters I've met still love crafting.

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1: It's not about money, it's about whether or not the crafted gear has an actual value, stats, that makes it worth purchasing. Crafted gear at any point in the game is trumped by the drops you will get for free in dungeons.

2: 1 addresses this, if you elect to fate grind then you may buy gear, though chances are you don't actually need it since you can more or less fate grind naked. Again, there is little or no reason to purchase crafted gear at any point in the leveling process, you can level while farming drops while making money. At endgame it is simply more pronounced since the BiS for every job(nearly) removes crafted gear entirely.

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4: People that like to craft for the sake of achievements likely don't mind, those that joined the game thinking that there would be reasonable markets for crafted gear have either moved on to other games, or tried to spend more time in other content. Not hearing complaints doesn't mean people aren't upset.

I sold off most of the stuff I crafted while completing LTW and WVR recipe log entries for the 10-20 level range within a day. I'm not saying high level crafting isn't jacked up, but there's money to be made on different items for very little investment, especially if you can HQ stuff.

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I sold off most of the stuff I crafted while completing LTW and WVR recipe log entries for the 10-20 level range within a day. I'm not saying high level crafting isn't jacked up, but there's money to be made on different items for very little investment, especially if you can HQ stuff.

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Low lvl HQ stuff does indeed sell. But the amount of profit off one item is such a drop in the bucket. It becomes mind numbing when you are striving for millions...lol

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Low lvl HQ stuff does indeed sell. But the amount of profit off one item is such a drop in the bucket. It becomes mind numbing when you are striving for millions...lol

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That's true, but if you can do it consistently it adds up over time with very little investment to the crafter. :)

It's kind of like doing your daily quests and roulettes everyday. It's not a lot of money, but calculate it up after a couple months and it'll snowball.

IMO, the only reason any gear in the game should have higher stats than crafted gear, is if you work in a "lost skills" or "lost technology" aspect - there's something about the gear we poor follow-afters haven't been able to reproduce... YET.

But crafting for me isn't about being able to sell in the markets, never has been, never will be. It's about the satisfaction of being able to gear myself, with the best gear I can make, and NOT spending gil at the NPC sellers or in the markets. I'm still low-level; my best DoH is 26 WVR at the moment. And I felt very satisfied last night when I put everything together just right, to make a HQ pair of Velveteen Tights. Then of course I went and turned in a few GC seals and got a piece of equipment I couldn't dye, which was much, much uglier, but has higher defense ratings at a lower iLevel.

You have to keep the sense of a job well-done in the crafting. We need to be able to make gear that's better than any raid drop to make it worth it all.

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Originally Posted by fixitman

Stats determine value, which determines purchasing price. How can you state it isn't about money, and then immediately state it is?

Every person disagreeing that the OP is complaining about profit loss, has not done so without blaming profit loss. I challenge anyone to explain how crafters are "dying off" without mentioning anything to do with crafters selling their wares.

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It seems we are all wrong and you are right , you are like a politician , conviniently disregarding stuff people said for your gain , it seems you are the one that strikes for maximum profit , not us.

I want exactly what Wadoka said and I stated with my other character but it seems we can't have it for now , I want to be able to craft for myself and for others that will ask me(cost is one gil folks , I am greedy!) item lv 90 gear that are on par with AF and everything that drops. If we can't have it , crafting will be present for low ranks but non existent for endgame , pretty much like FFXI.

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Originally Posted by fixitman

Stats determine value, which determines purchasing price. How can you state it isn't about money, and then immediately state it is?

Every person disagreeing that the OP is complaining about profit loss, has not done so without blaming profit loss. I challenge anyone to explain how crafters are "dying off" without mentioning anything to do with crafters selling their wares.

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It's funny how you claim we're concerned about profit when you're the one who continuously brings it up. Are you sure you're not the one who's obsessed with money?

Let's break the problem down so that you can see past your reflection on your shiny coins.

1. There is no need for crafted gear.
2. There is no need for market interaction.

You can remove the market board and trade functions and these will still be fundamental flaws with crafting. This has nothing to do with profit.

Crafting as of 2.1 has taken a huge hit in a way with the release of crystal tower reduction in philossphy materials and tome mats just being handed out left and right via treasure trails. But in turn this also hurts thoughs that dont craft even more they don't have that market they once had. While crystal tower is ilvl 80 gear and pretty much a hand me out at one gear per week as the economy settles you will see your 2 star crafts moving more and more but not anywhere near the rate as before. People keep complaining about SE ruining crafting when in all reality its these bots i see out there with there own little FC gathering materia for months on end without getting banned ever. I report along with others hell i even give SE the evidence of them botting by trade killing them but nothing is ever done. In order for our economy to gain some structure i believe we need some in game moderators or some crap along them lines.

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Originally Posted by RocknRoll

The strategy about making craft-able armor stats and such no higher than the beginning rewards in Coil is hurting the game. It seems that the prices for craft-able items is hitting the floor. The people that were fans are now leaving the game because the time invested in all the crafting and such has been wasted, It is kind of silly that one dungeon run will get you a better piece of gear than the best you can craft after investing months of work in your crafting system. I think the strategy should be revisited before more give up and walk away. The rewards for the Luminary completion and level 50 quests are also a joke being that they are the same who was the bright mind behind that?

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If they made the level gaps like darksteel is to darklight then i'd be alright with it.


btw when's the last time this forum got a dev response? lol

I'd love to see crafting be more useful. However, I don't think it will happen in an MMORPG.

Out of all the things Developers of all MMORPG's think about, there is 1 major thing that requires more thought than anything else when it comes to PvE. End-game.

When it comes to end-game, they need to make a decision that goes something like this:

1. Allow crafters to be able to craft the best gear, making end-game content less appealing. This would result in most people just farming gold and buying end-game gear, rather than actually working for it.

2. Make people run dungeons for the best gear while limiting the amount of gear they can obtain, making them pay repeatedly so they don't fall behind. This would result in most people just finding Static groups and farming dungeons rather than caring about crafting.

The only way to make both of them work is to make the materials from dungeons a requirement to make the best content, but then most people still won't run dungeons as farming gold is a lot easier.

It's a huge problem all MMORPG's face, but taking option number 2 is usually better because the majority of players would rather run dungeons than just buy armor. I wish Allagan gear was better than Myth so I actually had to farm for my gear rather than just buy half of it and farm the rest.

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Originally Posted by SirGazuntai

[...]The only way to make both of them work is to make the materials from dungeons a requirement to make the best content, but then most people still won't run dungeons as farming gold is a lot easier.

It's a huge problem all MMORPG's face, but taking option number 2 is usually better because the majority of players would rather run dungeons than just buy armor. I wish Allagan gear was better than Myth so I actually had to farm for my gear rather than just buy half of it and farm the rest.

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Well written.
The main problem is money, the hard earned Yen/Dollar/Euro. SE has to pay the employees. This for sure is no news at all. A second problem is the community and the way they developed themselfs. We had games like WoW/LotrO/SWToR and others trying to please everybody being more or less successful. And SE is trying now to get a piece from that "sure-cake".
What they are missing is, uniqueness. They had that and fell badly on their noses. If Tanaka had about a half year more time to invest it would have been a nice other game, and not "just another" game. The gros of the community didn't catch fire. So Yoshida was put in charge to make a solid game without a huge risk to fail, so we got some features we all know for long:

- FATES (or PQ from Warhammer Online)
- Dailes
- Instances (and their reuse as HM, NM, EM)
- Low Challange open world
- low repair costs
- and others

He made a good job and i like the game. If he had left the crafters untouched i'd love the game. But with recent changes it's kinda rough to estimate where the trip goes to.

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1. Allow crafters to be able to craft the best gear, making end-game content less appealing. This would result in most people just farming gold and buying end-game gear, rather than actually working for it.

2. Make people run dungeons for the best gear while limiting the amount of gear they can obtain, making them pay repeatedly so they don't fall behind. This would result in most people just finding Static groups and farming dungeons rather than caring about crafting.

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What if The gear crafted were equivalent with gear dropped , wouldn't that just give options? Items crafted can be painted and meld materia unto them to maximize their potential but will have equivalent base stats , their big difference will be that , utter customization!

Items dropped will have stats equivalent those of maximized crafted gear BUT you won't be able to customize them , their main advantage is that you won't need to spend a single gil on them but you also can't change color or meld materias.

You present it with a two way dilemma , THIS or THIS , it isn't like that at all , try thinking outside past experiences a bit , outside the box? In life my friend there are no absolutes.

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What if The gear crafted were equivalent with gear dropped , wouldn't that just give options? Items crafted can be painted and meld materia unto them to maximize their potential but will have equivalent base stats , their big difference will be that , utter customization!

Items dropped will have stats equivalent those of maximized crafted gear BUT you won't be able to customize them , their main advantage is that you won't need to spend a single gil on them but you also can't change color or meld materias.

You present it with a two way dilemma , THIS or THIS , it isn't like that at all , try thinking outside past experiences a bit , outside the box? In life my friend there are no absolutes.

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Again, if people could just spend Gil on their gear they would and the majority of players would stop running dungeons. Everyone would fall to PvP with nothing left to do and the game would then focus around PvP. Not to mention if the gear is equivalent to gear dropped with potential to be better with Materia melds and customization, no one would bother going for gear drops. At that stage of the game people would go for the absolute best, proven by the huge amount of BiS threads all over the internet and the fact people are willing to mix 2 completely different armor sets while looking like complete fools just to get a few extra points in DPS. Why would I bother going for dropped gear at this point? I'd be silly to do that. This, again, brings us back to the 2 "dilemma".

I presented 2 dilemma. Not because it's the only 2 options available, but the only 2 viable options that developers have any chance with. People have tried your way and failed. People tried to make a game revolving around crafting and failed. People tried to make a game revolving around dungeon drops and then everyone complained that it was too much like the most popular MMORPG in existence. WoW plays a huge part in how any MMORPG turns out. So many people complain about WoW clones, so people try something different and all the WoW players give it a shot, hate it because it's different and go back to WoW. This causes developers to try and make a game similar to WoW, but with a unique spin. This results in people coming from WoW, labeling it a WoW clone and going back to WoW because they have more time invested there.

This has nothing to do with past experiences nor does thinking outside the box work when the only thing the majority want is the content inside the box. How does a game developer cater to every WoW fan without looking exactly like WoW? How does a game developer cater to the people who hate WoW without making a game that is too different from their perception of an MMORPG? This is the main issue. If you can come up with an idea that works so that Crafters are useful again without making farming useful, I'm all for it. The people who want Coil T1-T5 completed in an hour aren't going to do that for a chance to get materials for these crafted items, they'll spend an hour farming for gold instead to buy the gear from crafters or they'll just level up crafting themselves. Developing a game is much harder than the average player seems to think it is. "Outside the box" rarely works when money is involved.

Also, there are absolutely absolutes in life. Whoever told you that was high off his/her rocker.


EDIT: 1 thing that has any potential to save this game of this issue, even a tiny bit, is the vanity slot. If, for example, Crafters can make the best LOOKING gear available the dungeon crawlers will definitely jump on that. Nothing sparks excitement in an MMORPG like aesthetics. Let Crafters make wings, add glow to weapons that don't already have it (or remove it from Relic +1 since a lot of people seem to dislike the glow), make awesome new costumes that get added randomly, let people create costumes in events and whichever costume wins the crafters can create. Hell, let Crafters make mount bardings, too. When housing is much more embraced and people start investing more, people will be looking for crafters for that.

Another thing a lot of people want is new skins for weapons. Let Crafters make these. So many people complain that the Relics look good with AF gear, but when you go to i70/90 it looks like crap.

This doesn't fix nearly enough of the problems but it gives crafters something without giving them everything.

Sir Gazuntai,

I said that crafted gear + materia = dropped gear , NOT crafted gear + materia > dropped gear , unless you choose to disregard it , thats your choice.

Never played wow(can't hate something I haven't played , more precisely one I haven't experienced) but have played FFXI , Star wars galaxies , Lineage 2 , Aion and Guild wars 2. Never played one of those crafting games people mention here and there , as you say the visuals are what it gives us some sense of indentity inside the game , need more options but combat effective ones , you feel better going into battle with your flying colors not the AFs.

And I seriously don't want crafters > everyone else , that's not fun at all.

And if you experience life the way I did you WILL come to realize that in life there are no absolutes , no need for anyone else to tell you anything at that point. E.g. stuff you thought for solid but weren't , friendships you thought for unyielding but they weren't , stuff around you constantly change like the colors of a kelaidoscope. Nothing stays as it is , nothing stays absolute but only I would guess our nature and what would you expect from humans.

Thanks. I think we should garner as much attention as we can in this matter , Tanaka gave crafts their own place in game and Yoshida choose to keep them , time to resolve this before this game moves unto its's next expansion pack.

The issue with crafting right now is partly due to the materia and HQ system and how iLvL doesn't necessarily reflect the proper power of the said armor in question. I think their needs to be two iLvL values on armor and weapons that have materia slots: one that is for without materia and one that is with materia. That way buyers can more easily see the value in getting, for example, heavy darksteel armor. They also really need to treat crafting as it's own game and not just a mini-game. It's like they fixed the old FFXIV issues with adventuring, but neglected to do anything for crafts except make them easy to ignore. Why is it that the armorers guild, which is supposed to be involved in ship building, have no quests taking the crafter to the ship yards to help fix up boats or build ships? We're going to see the crafting mini-gaming all the time during normal crafting: Let us get a break from it and do something else that makes it feel like we have a place in the world!

I'd say more on crafting, but I think everyone already realizes we need recipes that have an iLvL of 80+. At the very least let crafters create materia sockets on gear until new recipes and armor models can be implemented.

I am selling more level 70 items than I ever did due to the low cost of materials and thus low prices. The weapons especially are flying off the shelves, despite the doom-mongering when people said "oh you can now get weapons from the EX primals, literally no point to crafted weapons now". Crafting is stronger than it has ever been for me.

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The rewards for the Luminary completion and level 50 quests are also a joke being that they are the same who was the bright mind behind that?

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Luminary tools are from the old version, pre ARR. If they made the new quest 50 tools better than Luminary tools, veteran players would be annoyed (I know I'd be). If they made the quest 50 tools worse than Luminarys, people would say "why do I have to grind thousands of items for an achievement for the best tools?"

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I am selling more level 70 items than I ever did due to the low cost of materials and thus low prices. The weapons especially are flying off the shelves, despite the doom-mongering when people said "oh you can now get weapons from the EX primals, literally no point to crafted weapons now". Crafting is stronger than it has ever been for me.

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An FC member got me to make him a weapon for his Lancer.

He wasn't planning to use it. A quest for a real weapon required the crafted one with some mismatched Materia melded to it. But I suppose in the end, as long as we get to make stuff for whatever reason, that's the point. Kinda sad but m'eh.

From what I understand, they increased the exp for gathering, so there wouldn't be so much materials on the market board. Then they decide to give out a bunch of materials, including hq materials, in treasure hunts. This doesn't help lower the supply, since I'm sure a great many of the people doing hunts won't need the materials, and will be putting those materials for sale on the market. Personally, I think the treasure hunt loot should be limited to non crafted armor, and materials exclusive to treasure hunts. Giving out crafted materials like candy isn't exactly keeping the supply in check.

Hi everybody !!

I think that the problem is the stuff lvl 90 with mytho stones .

I m agree that the best stuff must be win when fighting Boss ( i mean BIG boss in difficult raid )

But the problem is if you farm 15 times per week the dongeon WP ( wp = ilvl 48 ) . after 6 or 7 week you are full stuff lvl 90 .
It can t be good like this .

For me the way to give importance to craft et end game stuff is . For doing high level raid and to have a chance to loot stuff lvl 90 you need have the crafted gear . so crafted gead is necessary to go to raid .

And why don t have somme stuff crafted wif resist fire or ice etc .. for one boss that we are obliged to have this kind of stuff .

Tell me what you think about my opinion :)

regards

I don't understand what the point of crafting gear being equal to end game gear.. or even really close. What is the point of gear like that if you don't want to run end game dungeons? Maybe accessories or something as a boost only?

from what i understand, Yoshida and the dev. team played other MMOs while developing 2.0 to get a feel for what the environment/market was. if they looked closely they would have found ways to put crafters to use other than simply make leather and rings and cloth over and over and over again.


GW2, as lightweight an MMO as it was, had this very cute feature, called World versus World, in which huge amounts of players battled each others cross-server to capture and hold fortresses. a big part of holding the fortesses consisted in rebuilding and defending the structure. WvsW had a full fledged armor/weapon system, like pvp, but rookies could and would contribute by escorting supply carts to the fortesses or carry small quantity of supplies themselves to, yes, REBUILD THE WALLS. that done, someone with specific blueprints would drop defenses (catapults, cauldrons for hot tar, trebuchets) atop the walls, and again, the whole faction would contribute to build the defenses by carrying materials. Or repairing them during an attack.

SE just implemented the FC housing. it would have opened a whole new sector for gatherers and crafters if they allowed the players to actually build the house by gathering materials or actively crafting parts, rather than spending gil for prefab sections of walls. Not a matter of more profit. Just a matter of more game options... One of the levequests in Coerthas asks miners to collect building bricks made out of snow, so it's not that far off.

Revenant's Toll is being rebuilt along the storyline development, it seems. Using GW2 again as example, there was a system to donate to the main city for the reconsruction. you would turn in specific items in exchange for tokens that worked like lottery ticket for random in-game items and collectibles. The higher the value of the item traded in, the better tier for the token (thus chance at better prices). At a certain point a nice fountain was implemented in the main square as a symbol of the reconstruction effort. Worked very similarly to the FFXIV 'expert delivery' supply missions from the GCs, and I recall crafted items used to sell quite fast for that very reason.
It is just a thought, but it would be great to add some form of contribution/reward system for Revenant's toll, too... or is the rconstruction work sponsored by Rowena's with all the tokens we bring in? :D

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I just want to clarify some things for people who haven't played GW2. Players never actually build - in the literal sense - any of the towers or keeps. The way it works is you pay some amount of gold for an upgrade at a NPC, who then automatically does the building as long as the tower or keep has supplies. For actual building, players can repair damaged walls if they are holding supplies, or they can drop blueprints, which creates a construction site that people then have to ferry supplies to to finish. That's about it. GW2 doesn't have an involved crafting system like ARR does so it's not exactly fair to say this, but the extent to which you "build" in GW2 is ferrying supplies back and forth between two points. Not particularly exciting (and yes, I was one of those people who did bother to run supplies and protect dolyaks).

From what I've heard (as I didn't play 1.0), hamlets were a variation of this that involved crafters and gatherers. All SE needs to do is find a way to adopt that into ARR and we're good to go.