In reading most posts it sounds like everyone who has played FFXI is now getting bored with the new TP spamming PTs and fast leveling Abyssea. It also sounds like no one enjoys any of the ways they level in FFXIV to date its become a chore.
What I really want from FFXIV is it to become the FFXI of 2005-2008, where SC PTs were the shit. There were various camps for each level range and the party search/recruiting was easy for anyone that wanted to EXP. I leveled 7 jobs in FFXI and never got bored leveling them because I liked the fact you knew after you got a certain level that you were moving to the next camp. How many people would like FFXIV to be that FFXI and just have new mobs/zones/storylines/quests/jobs?
I think ultimately people want to go back to being a noob and being level 1 and starting something new. Games get boring even though expansions come out, you still know your playing the same game...I think I read something about the all mighty WoW losing subscribers. Not because the game sucks...probably because people want a new title/game to play and do it all over again. I can say with me playing FFXI, the best times were being a noob and not knowing things and figuring them out on the way or even someone passing by helping me for a couple minutes on some quest or item I needed(long sentence).
Any thoughts?
FFXIV to FFXI
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06-10-2011, 04:52 AMGalootFFXIV to FFXI
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06-10-2011, 04:54 AMDemacia
I pretty much agree with everything you say, but you'll probably receive a heavy dose of hate by people who never played XI for more than a week or two.
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06-10-2011, 05:03 AMDoho
i feel the same way
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06-10-2011, 05:06 AMWynn
FFXIV =/= FFXI
Get the hell over it. -
06-10-2011, 05:22 AMelreed
Yeah i agree with the OP, this game needs the FF XI feeling, i dont like the fact that you have everything in each zone, if you dont want to leave thanalan you dont have to, you can level up from 1-50 there, same in the other 2 nation areas, i would like to change areas at the same rate that im leveling up, if they scrapped the areas to make smaller unique areas with different mob populations, little towns, npc quest,etc it would be perfect.
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06-10-2011, 06:29 AMTroop
Absolutely!!! The death of the skillchain/magic burst in FFXI signaled the beginning of the "dumbing down" process for the players.
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06-10-2011, 06:51 AMRinsuiThis. The pink birds of Aht Urgahn (?) actually made me leave.Quote:
Absolutely!!! The death of the skillchain/magic burst in FFXI signaled the beginning of the "dumbing down" process for the players.
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06-10-2011, 06:56 AMSAMINUS
string game = "FFXIV";
while(game != "FFXI")
{
cout << "Play FFXIV!!!";
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06-10-2011, 07:27 AMGaloot
Don't get me wrong...I was ok with PTs that could skillfully work TP Burns at low levels. They weren't that overpowering to a good SC PT. In these PTs you also had to have the right mix...either a BRD or COR and a solid WHM or RDM. Then needed to proceed with skilled DDs that knew how to work hate because Ichi was only available at that level and you could get the smack down put on you with pecking flurry. Hate bouncing I considered a skill in its self and you can only go as fast as your weakest link. And I was in some 50s bird PTs with some unskilled/bad equiped DDs and it would lower the EXP/hr. A slow BRD puller hurt as well as one that didn't time songs well and also a RDM that afks a million times or doesn't understand the concept of a haste order...
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06-10-2011, 09:13 AMDreamerQuoting for truthiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
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06-10-2011, 10:58 AMBitaWhere is our dislike button~Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
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06-10-2011, 11:00 AMJoeking
Why not just play XI? Why does it have to be named XIV as well?
PS: Its like Square using VIII and updating the graphics and calling it XV. -
06-10-2011, 11:06 AMLillithaFenimore
Umm I played XI for years...and I really don't want to play a reskinned clone...no thanks...
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06-11-2011, 12:11 AMGaloot
Some are missing the point...I wasn't suggesting it be the same game. Hence the new jobs/quest/storyline/mobs I had said. The format for the game as far as battle and strategy went was perfect in my opinion. You can hate all you want that people loved FFXI and want something similar but the fact is it worked. Why wouldn't that battle system/strategy work with a new FF while implementing a whole new story/jobs/mobs/quests.
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06-11-2011, 12:58 AMZahak
Agreed fully! Make us good SP grinding camps and seeking for party flag. I want to be able to group together and have challenging fights with my new dragoon if that's what lancer unlocks. I miss pre abyssea exp. (except summoner burns)
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06-11-2011, 01:05 AMDemaciaBut missing the point is what XIV forum posters are all about!Quote:
Originally Posted by Galoot
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06-11-2011, 01:07 AMCutrissThe problem was that it was never balanced. Colibri worked great. KRT monk parties worked great. BLM soloing worked great. All of those were fast and easy to organize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinsui
SC parties were fun. I thought it was awesome the first time I used SATAVB to break 1k in a skillchain. But they were slower and harder to organize. A lot of career BLMs complaining about the devaluation of the job fail to recognize that in order to be devaluated, they had to come down from somewhere, and BLMs used to make/break a party. Then it became buffers that would make/break a party.
It would've been good if they could've encouraged SCs by introducing a XP bonus for triggering them (after all, it is a more skillful way to play). Part of me chuckles to think that maybe they considered it and ruled it out due to SAMs being even more broken than they were already.
Personally I always thought it would've been good if the XP would have given enmity-adjusted variances, similar to what XIV used to do before the SP rewards were adjusted to flat. It might've worked in XIV if the enmity system had been fixed first, hard to say. Perhaps the SP reward could've been adjusted by calculating it against the number of actions used adjusted by job, or in the time taken to defeat a specific party of monsters (similar to FFXIII's Target Time).
My wife didn't like Colibri parties because it was too much sustained intensity, and she wanted to be able to take breaks here and there without having to kill the XP chain. I can see her point. I was fine with it myself (and I was a WHM). Different strokes, etc, but I feel like it has given me some interesting perspective. -
06-11-2011, 01:14 AMAntyto me it was the start of the mini-expansions (even though some parts were fun imo) but then abyssea made it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinsui
I think it was the most stupid thing ever to increase the level cap that fast without having proper content (well its a tradition it seems lol). They made EVERYTHING easy/took away capped fights, and no gear was worth anything.
The much better abyssea gear was already at AH 20times+ and cheaper then lvl 10 gear...
The many years of added endgame and other gaming content were kicked in the trash within 1-2 updates without the proper replacements/adjustments. Smart move lmao. If they just added abyssea and perhaps increase merit point system,
new gear sets (lvl 75 sets) people would have all the options of endgame. All different approaches and gamesyles would ahve been possible... now its down to... all abyssea... which isnt even a real story/content expansion, its a battleground, that doesnt even have a new landscape, just recoloured old areas... big mistake imo.
first think then act... there is a reason for that... destroy first, and salvage after... its another approach but much harder and i bet far less fun! :) -
06-11-2011, 01:18 AMJennestia
Those saying "get over it" and "go play XI" -- why do you think XI is continuing to thrive while XIV is on the inevitable course with being sold or closed down? People did "get over" it not being XI, hence why no one is playing this game as they should be, because the fact that XI exists and XIV exists in it's current state is a pretty big reason people say XIV "should/need/etc to borrow from XI", not a clone, but actually evolve from what it's done to become a bigger and better game.
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06-11-2011, 01:27 AMEnma
I won't never get tired saying that SE has to follow the example of FFXI to build another masterpiece. This not means that FFXIV should be equal to XI!!!
P.S.
Please TRY to use recruit system, it's not so bad as many people say... -
06-11-2011, 01:33 AMCarmillia^This. I'm tired of people saying that FFXIV =/= FFXI. We know that but it wouldn't be a reskinned game to have the same game mechanics but within a new world/new storyline/new bad guy etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
I would trade FFXIV for a 'new FFXI' anytime with respect to what we have now, minor the huge annoying time sink there was. On the same idea, I wouldn't have FFXI with updated graphics for sure either because I know the story, have finished most of them (quit before they release the WoTG new missions).
Same classes and game mechanics (combat, improved UI from the very functionnal FFXI one) doesn't mean FFXIV = FFXI. I would also tarde anyday my harlequin's parts for some RDM AF's part and not look like a clown anymore >.> -
06-11-2011, 01:42 AMCrstyCaptin
They're actually in a really good spot to bring SC > MB back to the table. The problem in XI was the need for certain classes to fit certain roles. With introducing the 'job system' in XIV they could really give each class the option to 'specialize' in two~ different roles. Think of Conj being able to play either BLM or WHM depending on whats available. THM could do RDM or BLM. Giving different jobs to melee classes would help them possibly 'unlock' different weapon skills to use for SC's. It's not perfect, but the odds of getting a good party together would be increased a lot if each class could fit multiple roles depending on whats available using the job system.
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06-11-2011, 01:42 AMGaloot
Hahaha I agree Carmillia, those harlequin equips are awful to look at. And I know the game is fairly new with all of these changes and such, but how long does it take for developers to make new looks for gear... Every one of my Archer pieces look the same just different color schemes. I suspect that this is coming down the line, they're just working on the game itself first.
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06-11-2011, 01:50 AMArchadiusYep. FFXIV's recruiting system is vastly superior to any other system I've seen, the real problem is that players are too lazy to use it and would rather just do the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Enma
"/linkshell Hey, who's on and wants to do leves at Broken Water?"
*no response*
"/shout Hey, who's on and wants to do leves at Broken Water?"
People, please don't blame SE for a "broken system", blame yourself and your community for being lazy. The recruitment feature is one of the few things they did right with this game. -
06-11-2011, 01:56 AMAntywhat good is a system if the majority dislikes it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
and vastly superior to any toher system you've seen... well... it is a very one-sided system. Not superior at all imho.
Calling people lazy or the community lazy because a feature is majorly disliked won't help the game.
Why can't people see that only a MASS of new players can save this game.
You won't be able to appeal to everyone ofc. But appealing ONLY to the 5% of the people who actually bought the game... isnt the way to go. -
06-11-2011, 02:08 AMAva
As much as I loved old FFXI, I could not possibly dedicate the same amounts of time to a video game anymore. I would however like to see FFXIV take some of the newer FFXI (abyssea and beyond) ideas.
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06-11-2011, 02:46 AMEvenstar
Yes, FFXIV is not FFXI, but that doesn't mean FFXIV shouldn't copy a few things that were working really well in FFXI.
We have to face it. FFXIV is never going to be a main stream MMORPG. FFXI never was main stream also. Sooner or later the biggest part of the player base of FFXIV will be the FF(XI) fan base, so if they are smart they will take the good parts of FFXI and implement those in FFXIV to get some people over from FFXI. -
06-11-2011, 04:53 AMIsaaruFFXI was the #2 subscription based MMO up until 2008 iirc, so saying it was never main stream is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evenstar
Also it's not just the FFXI fanbase that will be moving over to XIV, but the Rift player base that initially left XIV, as well as others that left. Don't forget the brand new players either! For the 7 years I played FFXI I always met new people that were just starting off 3, 4, and 5 years down the road of it's release who had never played it before.
@OP yes I agree and SC >>> MB based system would make the battle system far more interactive especially with the huge decrease in buttons pressed coming along with Auto-Attack. I feel if they could just revamp BR and make it so only WS can be stacked and a SC would be the result along with a MB (if stacked WS, WS, Magic) that would not be as skill and timing oriented as XI's system, but it would still make BR a relatively useful part of the battle system. -
06-11-2011, 05:01 AMZahak
Just don't make us press an activation button. Let us BR while using WS's in order just like a SC.
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06-11-2011, 05:09 AMKiroh
I don't really care about FFXI anymore, I'm done with it.
I want FFXIV now.
*waits for FFXIV* -
06-11-2011, 06:04 AMSHJcules
some good points in there. People wanna feel noob, and experiment and master fresh systems, I totally agree with that. So why than, should we ask for a system that we have already mastered? Skilchain/job ability/autoattack/magicburst, those were some great fights forsure, I think it's time to move on though. I've made a thousand skill-chains already, and magic busted a thousand more.
I personally can't wait to wrap my hands around the new battle system coming, and make countless, and hopefully hilarious, mistakes.
crazy exp chains though, now that is something I will never tire of :cool: -
06-11-2011, 06:21 AMCorrderio
XI again? Screw that.
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06-11-2011, 06:56 AMShikyo100% agree but like it was said earlier you will get massive hate from ppl that didnt like the challenge that XI presented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galoot
Emo fluffy soft haters keep it to yourself. -
06-11-2011, 11:41 PMGaloot
I figured some wouldn't agree with me. This is a gaming forum...it would be extremely rare to post something without a flame or some disgruntled gamer going berserk because he disagrees with someone. Just wanted to throw it out there, because a lot of people I've played with enjoyed the battle system. And I also don't think it would ruin the game to have a battle system most already know or could teach those who don't. The system wouldn't have to be the exact same thing but something similar with a few touch ups. New animations, effects over time, some SCs resulting in incapacitation of mobs, they're developers they can think of some new stuff.
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06-12-2011, 07:48 AMDrogynYou're right. FFXI > FFXIV currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
This isn't the way it was supposed to be. We all wanted a new game but it still has to be Final Fantasy. It just doesn't have that feel as of yet. -
06-12-2011, 07:53 AMHuguesdepayen
I think that choice is fantastic. I am wary of FFXIV trying to copy FFXI in any direct way, but I would love to be able to relive that same feeling in those 2005-2008 exp grind parties. I don't think exp grind has to replace leves, just offer a stronger track of progress for more dedicated players. Once your leves are done who's to say that the harder core players could then go look for a grind party and the more casual players could log off or do crafting leves? I'm really anxious to see how the job system co-exists with the class system. I remember loving a well put together exp party in FFXI and loathing how rare they sometimes were when trying to level a melee class. Having one system fill in the other system's gaps seems very compelling to me. I hope that FFXIV always feels different, but at certain points recaptures the white knuckle thrill of FFXI's more challenging moments.
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06-12-2011, 08:52 AMtrintaQuote:
Originally Posted by Shikyo
Good to see that the universe's balance is being kept in place. Shikyo, get a grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galoot
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06-13-2011, 06:05 AMShikyoIf that comment that wasnt really aimed at anyone in particular, and you felt it applied to you enough to let it hurt your feelings i'm sorry, well not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinta
Just put down the knife its ok really.. -
06-13-2011, 09:27 AMRowyneFixed that for ya. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Galoot
Seriously, though, I played FFXI for four years, it holds a special place in my heart, but I never want to go back to a game whose backbone of leveling centers on a grind party.
This is happening because of the dungeon/raiding redesign they did with Cataclysm. Difficulty was tuned way up in comparison to Wrath of the Lich King. Boss fights are all about twitch mechanics. Stand in the fire for more than 2 seconds, and you're dead. Healers are tired of trying to keep groups from continually wiping, then getting yelled at for things that aren't their fault. Combine this with the fact that many dungeons are so long with so much trash, they now feel like tedious never-ending mini-raids. Too much stress, too little fun. They took a gamble in catering to the hardcores and lost. There are also other issues with the new Guild Advancement System killing many smaller guilds than had been together for years. Questing from 80-85 feeling disjointed, lackluster story, and everything feeling more grindy than ever before. No new neutral city and few new zones. Cataclysm felt like half an expansion and cost more than previous x-pacs. This is why it's losing subscribers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galoot