Is Twintania even doable without a virus rotation?

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12-17-2013, 08:51 AM
Nofacekiller

Is Twintania even doable without a virus rotation?

Sorry for the n00b question, can anybody shed some light on this?

Will double SCH be required now for the double lustrate?
12-17-2013, 08:52 AM
GabrielK

With the virus immunity in 2.1... would whatever you're talking about still work ?
12-17-2013, 08:52 AM
Zaft

Twintania never required Virus, it's just helpful to mitigate damage.

Intelligent use of cooldowns, stoneskin/adlo, or even tank swapping provides more than enough mitigation.
12-17-2013, 08:53 AM
Kal-El

Don't let virus run out and you won't give her the antibody since casting virus again resets timer.

Chances of this working will be difficult but better than nothing.
12-17-2013, 08:53 AM
Nullie

Yes it will still be doable. You'll have to learn to adjust.
12-17-2013, 08:53 AM
Xellos2099

AND REMOVAL OF ROD. Amnd i been curious... does the one that call for adjust even been to turn 4-5?
12-17-2013, 08:54 AM
NeonC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal-El

Don't let virus run out and you won't give her the antibody since casting virus again resets timer.

Chances of this working will be difficult but better than nothing.

Diminishing returns on timer.
12-17-2013, 08:54 AM
Kal-El

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

AND REMOVAL OF ROD. Amnd i been curious... does the one that call for adjust even been to turn 4-5?

People seem to forget about WAR 10% damage reduction.

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Originally Posted by NeonC

Diminishing returns on timer.

Ahh forgot about that! Haha
12-17-2013, 08:55 AM
Warlyx

dont forget abour the Brd RoD nerf , PLDx2 means u lose -10% dmg (warrior)

pld , war, whm , sch , blm, 3 mnks , the problem is how Limit break nerf will work...maybe u wont have enough LB for snakes with that setup ....
12-17-2013, 08:55 AM
FelisC

Great question!

To answer, no, it is not doable now, it is now entirely impossible. Not a single group will clear turn 5 post 2.1.
12-17-2013, 08:56 AM
Xellos2099

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

People seem to forget about WAR 10% damage reduction.

Ahh forgot about that! Haha

War mean nothing qet all when there is more than 1 mob hitting on you. They will die like dog
12-17-2013, 08:56 AM
ufufu

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

People seem to forget about WAR 10% damage reduction.

Along with the other WAR changes and the Lustrate buff, quite frankly I think I might prefer to heal a Warrior MTing Twin.
12-17-2013, 08:56 AM
Houston009

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Originally Posted by FelisC

Great question!

To answer, no, it is not doable now, it is now entirely impossible. Not a single group will clear turn 5 post 2.1.

Is that sarcasm?
12-17-2013, 08:56 AM
Delnoir

To think it's not doable is silly.

I imagine warriors might be the better tank for Twintania now. Since Death Sentence is on a timer there's nothing stopping them from hitting Inner Beast for that 20% damage reduction when they know it's coming.
12-17-2013, 08:57 AM
Kal-El

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

War mean nothing qet all when there is more than 1 mob hitting on you. They will die like dog

I have no idea what you just said but I'm gonna disagree for the sheer hell of it.

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Originally Posted by Delnoir

To think it's not doable is silly.

I imagine warriors might be the better tank for Twintania now. Since Death Sentence is on a timer there's nothing stopping them from hitting Inner Beast for that 20% damage reduction when they know it's coming.

A PLD can still tank it while the WAR applies debuff. But both will be viable :)
12-17-2013, 08:57 AM
Dux

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Is that sarcasm?

I'm not sure my sarcasm detector just exploded.
12-17-2013, 08:58 AM
Xellos2099

That is wrong way. They are FORCING people to invite WAR. Forcing people to play a certain style NEVER WRONG.
12-17-2013, 08:58 AM
Thriar

There's more ways to mitigate damage than just virus and RoD. The other ways will just be used more frequently. I might actually use Eos now...
12-17-2013, 08:59 AM
Kal-El

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos2099

That is wrong way. They are FORCING people to invite WAR. Forcing people to play a certain style NEVER WRONG.

Like they forced people to invite BRD?
12-17-2013, 09:01 AM
FelisC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houston009

Is that sarcasm?

No, it's not sarcasm. Virus is the only possible damage mitigation for Death Sentence and because it can now not be used every single time the entire instance is unclearable.
12-17-2013, 09:02 AM
Xellos2099

It is free will. And it is SE fault for designing boss fight where stacking Bard is ideal ala Titan. People will adapt their old style as much as possible without good incentive. Remember how they try to nerf speed run? People adapted to different speed run style.
12-17-2013, 09:03 AM
Houston009

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

That is wrong way. They are FORCING people to invite WAR. Forcing people to play a certain style NEVER WRONG.

They are not forcing anyone to bring a WAR to there party. The abilities they bring to the table are not a necessity, but defiantly helps. Each job has their strengths, being a diverse party is better than stacking jobs for the greater potential or even build LB faster. I'm sure there will still be groups who will continue to run content w/ PLDx2, though it may not be the most effective, it remains doable.
12-17-2013, 09:03 AM
Escadora

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Originally Posted by FelisC

No, it's not sarcasm. Virus is the only possible damage mitigation for Death Sentence and because it can now not be used every single time the entire instance is unclearable.

SMH.

/facepalm.
12-17-2013, 09:04 AM
OmegaFlare

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

That is wrong way. They are FORCING people to invite WAR. Forcing people to play a certain style NEVER WRONG.

Actually, a WAR will provide more than just the 10% dmg debuff. He will also be the fifth dps which will be very useful for all the dps check phases. He will surely make things a lot easier in T5 but it's still doable with 2 PLD. Just like how T2 is doable without a bard. No one is forcing you to bring a WAR along.
12-17-2013, 09:06 AM
Houston009

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Originally Posted by FelisC

No, it's not sarcasm. Virus is the only possible damage mitigation for Death Sentence and because it can now not be used every single time the entire instance is unclearable.

Defiantly sarcasm. xD
12-17-2013, 09:07 AM
Xellos2099

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Originally Posted by Houston009

They are not forcing anyone to bring a WAR to there party. The abilities they bring to the table are not a necessity, but defiantly helps. Each job has their strengths, being a diverse party is better than stacking jobs for the greater potential or even build LB faster. I'm sure there will still be groups who will continue to run content w/ PLDx2, though it may not be the most effective, it remains doable.

Yes, they ARE forcing people to bring War to coil. Well, no physical force but they are using "suggestion" to made it more favorable by REMOVING a "support" utility from a class, which they claim to be a part support role. Never before i seen an ability completely change form one to another.
12-17-2013, 09:10 AM
Houston009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Yes, they ARE forcing people to bring War to coil. Well, no physical force but they are using "suggestion" to made it more favorable by REMOVING a "support" utility from a class, which they claim to be a part support role. Never before i seen an ability completely change form one to another.

Please explain how we NEED a WAR for coils? xD
12-17-2013, 09:10 AM
Kal-El

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Yes, they ARE forcing people to bring War to coil. Well, no physical force but they are using "suggestion"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos2099

It is free will. And it is SE fault for designing boss fight where stacking Bard is ideal ala Titan.

You are contradicting yourself.

Plus you should have a "need" for every class! Why should it be 2x PLD, 3x ranged DPS and 1 melée (for rot) instead of WAR/PLD and mixed ranged and melée?
12-17-2013, 09:12 AM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Zaft

Twintania never required Virus, it's just helpful to mitigate damage.

Intelligent use of cooldowns, stoneskin/adlo, or even tank swapping provides more than enough mitigation.

This, virus isn't required, just helpful. It doesn't change things THAT dramatically.

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Diminishing returns on timer.

Virus doesn't get diminishing returns.
12-17-2013, 09:14 AM
Delnoir

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

A PLD can still tank it while the WAR applies debuff. But both will be viable :)

Pretty Inner Beast is going to buff the Warrior, not debuff the mob. You're probably thinking of Storm's Path.
12-17-2013, 09:15 AM
NeonC

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Virus doesn't get diminishing returns.

When you cast it on top of an existing virus? Not a new one.
12-17-2013, 09:16 AM
Kal-El

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Originally Posted by Delnoir

Pretty Inner Beast is going to buff the Warrior, not debuff the mob.

I was speaking about Storms Path. Not inner Beast
12-17-2013, 09:16 AM
Houston009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delnoir

Pretty Inner Beast is going to buff the Warrior, not debuff the mob.

He may be speaking of the Storm's Path debuff, rather than the Inner Beast buff.
12-17-2013, 09:16 AM
Delnoir

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal-El

I was speaking about Storms Path. Not inner Beast

Yeah, I figured that out moments later. >_<
12-17-2013, 09:19 AM
FelisC

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Defiantly sarcasm. xD

Hehe, I'm glad you remembered to charge your sarcasm detector before venturing in here :P
12-17-2013, 09:20 AM
Kal-El

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delnoir

Yeah, I figured that out moments later. >_<

Haha all good! Definitely makes me want to tank with a WAR in my party though!
12-17-2013, 09:21 AM
Dorin

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Originally Posted by FelisC

No, it's not sarcasm. Virus is the only possible damage mitigation for Death Sentence and because it can now not be used every single time the entire instance is unclearable.

What am I reading.
12-17-2013, 09:24 AM
Xellos2099

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

You are contradicting yourself.

Plus you should have a "need" for every class! Why should it be 2x PLD, 3x ranged DPS and 1 melée (for rot) instead of WAR/PLD and mixed ranged and melée?

Why, so melee can get one shot by aoe? No thanks, no one will take the ehhhh Drg into instance. In fact, Mnk is getting too powerful, much more than drg. Is this not encouraging class stacking?
12-17-2013, 09:25 AM
Houston009

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

Haha all good! Definitely makes me want to tank with a WAR in my party though!

Only thing i don't agree with about WAR debuff is that it reduces the targets damage by 10% meaning both Physical/Magical while PLD only decreases the target's STR(Physical) by 10%. If there is ever a case where single tanking is the optimal path and the boss mainly uses magical-aspect'd attacks, WAR would be superior in that instance.
12-17-2013, 09:27 AM
Kal-El

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houston009

Only thing i don't agree with about WAR debuff is that it reduces the targets damage by 10% meaning both Physical/Magical while PLD only decreases the target's STR(Physical) by 10%. If there is ever a case where single tanking is the optimal path and the boss mainly uses magical-aspect'd attacks, WAR would be superior in that instance.

Will really have to wait till tomorrow to see how it works out. But PLD have much more damage mitigating skills on hand than WAR still. And with this debuff from a WAR OT it'll be even better for a PLD if he's MTing.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Why, so melee can get one shot by aoe? No thanks, no one will take the ehhhh Drg into instance. In fact, Mnk is getting too powerful, much more than drg. Is this not encouraging class stacking?

So I'll just invite BRDS, BLMS and SMNs? You're encouraging stacking.

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