10 More Days Till 2.1!!!!!
Im looking forward to New Vengeance & New Storm Path....Can't make up my mind which is my fav (Even if it is still subject to change)
There's To many un-anwsered question about New Storm Path for me to decide.
According to Yoshi
Storm Path - "This skill will also reduce damage dealt by enemies for a period of time"
What throws me off is the word "enemies"... Will this be a Debuff on 1 Target similiar to Paladin Rage of Halone ? Or will the be a Self Buff that reduces Damage of All Enemies for couple secs. If its the 2nd one, then it wins in my book since you can possibly kept up 100% of the time. Yoshi made no mention of how long it would last.
Which Warrior Skill are you most excited about ?
10 More Days Till Warrior Run Rampant
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12-07-2013, 03:09 PMOmegaSinX10 More Days Till Warrior Run Rampant
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12-07-2013, 03:24 PMRagtimeMouse
It will have the effect of Rain of Death that Bards use. It will reduce the damage that the affected enemy will put out, it won't give you a mitigation buff, as the changes to Inner Beast already do that.
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12-07-2013, 03:36 PMOmegaSinXNice! Will this have the same 10% ? if So then this is definately a Big Boost to our Arsenal. Where did you hear this from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by RagtimeMouse
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12-07-2013, 03:44 PMPaikis
I'm most looking forward to the Holmgang and Storm's Path changes. Those skills will finally have a use outside of the slime boss and trying to solo bosses with low damage.
I'm kind of not excited by Vengeance. The damage reduction is nice, but I liked using it as either an extra point of wrath or as AoE control... its now too good to throw it out for an extra point of Wrath (not that we really need to anymore, since Wrath stacks are worth a lot less) and its probably too good to use on packs of trash that have no chance of killing you. You want to save it for the DR.
I'm least excited by the Inner Beast changes, as it's almost a nerf outside of a few encounters in the game*. All that needed to happen here was to move the healing buff from Wrath to Defiance (done, and it honestly wasn't needed), buff our eHP by 10-20% (Soak tank, gotta have some extra 'soak') and give Steel Cyclone a use (Still not done, threat is not something I have issues with). Instead we get this nice little mitigation buff and lose a large chunk of our healing ability, while Steel Cyclone remains basically worthless because it only gives threat (which isn't an issue) and our other Wrath spenders give either a good amount of damage reduction or more damage than Steel Cyclone. I mean you pop Unchained and hit Overpower 2-3 times and you've made up the damage difference, and you still have more than half the duration left on Unchained.
Other problems that were left untouched:
- Bloodbath as a cooldown is only situationally useful (and I use the term useful very loosely) against several mobs when you have Vengeance active and are spamming Overpower.
- Foresight is still completely worthless and can be macro'd into your combos and forgotten about.
- Still the only class in the game with no ability to regenerate their resources outside of waiting or using a bard.
- Still no silence and the stun cooldown needs to be 15s not 20s.
- You will now be able to miss the Mercy Stroke heal 30% more often, which is nice I guess.
- Accuracy still a huge issue, to the point where I have had pieces of gear sitting in my bags that I simply can't use for periods of up to 2 weeks at a time (twice now). Where's the Accuracy on our weapon like every other class gets?
- Defiance still not equal in effectiveness to Shield Oath. For that matter, still no offensive stance. Losing access to a bunch of abilities if we want to do damage sucks.
*for my gear, I was carried by my healers, I out-gear the content blah blah blah excuses for why other people are bad/can't do it. Figured I'd get in first. -
12-07-2013, 03:59 PMOmegaSinXBuzz kill lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paikis
Side note, Although its not a tank skill, I really wish Haymaker was off GCD so I could make more use of it. I'd use it over flash for sure. -
12-07-2013, 04:01 PMRagtimeMouseThe Live Letter X mentioned that Bards MAY be getting a change that MAY result in the 10% damage reduction being removed from Rain of Death, as it would not stack with the 10% from Storm's but as it was from the projected changes given by Yoshida on the live-stream it is always subject to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaSinX
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12-07-2013, 04:06 PMExstalThis imbalances 4-man content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paikis
Quality of Life changesQuote:
- Bloodbath as a cooldown is only situationally useful (and I use the term useful very loosely) against several mobs when you have Vengeance active and are spamming Overpower.
- Foresight is still completely worthless and can be macro'd into your combos and forgotten about.
- Still the only class in the game with no ability to regenerate their resources outside of waiting or using a bard.
- Still no silence and the stun cooldown needs to be 15s not 20s.
- You will now be able to miss the Mercy Stroke heal 30% more often, which is nice I guess.
- Accuracy still a huge issue, to the point where I have had pieces of gear sitting in my bags that I simply can't use for periods of up to 2 weeks at a time (twice now). Where's the Accuracy on our weapon like every other class gets?
- Defiance still not equal in effectiveness to Shield Oath. For that matter, still no offensive stance. Losing access to a bunch of abilities if we want to do damage sucks.
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12-07-2013, 04:11 PMOmegaSinXI hope they make SP that way. Theres a couple of things this does for WAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by RagtimeMouse
1. Adds WAR Raid Utility
2. The uptime will be even more, now that WAR's will try to use this as often as they can where as bards only use it in AoE situations. -
12-07-2013, 04:33 PMChurchill
Any Bard worth a shit uses RoD when it's necessary for the success of the Raid.
If their debuff is removed it hurts Warrior, it doesn't help them. -
12-07-2013, 04:41 PMOmegaSinXIf that change happens, It wont be removed....it will be moved to Strom path. Which will be better for WAR's as they wont have to rely on Good/Bad BRD. Also if they change Rain of Death because it doesnt stack with Storm path that doesnt mean they wont give BRD something else to alleviate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Churchill
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12-07-2013, 04:44 PMPaikisI wouldn't... but I might drop Internal Release for it... maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaSinX
How on earth do you figure these are QoL changes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
As for the extra eHP, why is this an issue? The idea is to make us last a bit longer so we can use our heals. 20% is not a huge deal, PLD uses just about any of their cooldowns and they get this. -
12-07-2013, 04:50 PMSwordCoheir10 More Days Till we have a bunch of WAR's who still won't know how to tank crap complain that the update did nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaSinX
Not that I'm not excited about some of the prospects in a WAR+PLD group mind you. I just still don't think WAR will be any easier for players to play, and even less so if they have trouble actually playing the job as it is. -
12-07-2013, 04:52 PMOmegaSinXI find myself only using Flash when im pacified and thats only because I dont have many options during pafication. And even then, the effect is moot since i very rarely have issues with threat. All off GCD move can be used during pacification. Flash is the only exception. Maybe because its magic !? Anyway... Flash to me is only needed if we have to Sleep TargetsQuote:
Originally Posted by Paikis
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12-07-2013, 04:59 PMOmegaSinXThere will be just as many Scrub Paladin out there. Only difference now, is that those Scrub WARs wont have any excuses now. I do believe 2.1 Changes give WARs more than enough surviabilty as they will fall slightly behind PLD for Survivability, while PLD will fall slightly behind WAR DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwordCoheir
WAR's had good reason to complain about Survivability before because regardless if they were good or bad players.... A mediocre PLD would still be more efficient.This is the key difference in 2.1.
A Good WAR will possibly be better than a good PLD. Prime Example would be Inner beast for every Mountain Buster, Death Sentence etc -
12-07-2013, 05:00 PMLeironQuote:
Originally Posted by Paikis
Only Rampart does.
Bulwark, Holy ground and Sentinel offer far more.
It also makes it harder to design for future content because you are working with different eHP's for the two tanking classes. -
12-07-2013, 05:40 PMExstalQuote:
Originally Posted by Paikis
As the only issue in there that is actually a problem is Defiance vs Shield Oath
Remember, all classes are more or less garbage skills. Why should Warrior get ALL of their trashy skills fixed? That'll be for later.Quote:
- Bloodbath as a cooldown is only situationally useful (and I use the term useful very loosely) against several mobs when you have Vengeance active and are spamming Overpower.
- Foresight is still completely worthless and can be macro'd into your combos and forgotten about.
Missed this, might need to give them Invigorate?Quote:
- Still the only class in the game with no ability to regenerate their resources outside of waiting or using a bard.
Considering you're supposed to have synergy with Paladin (who has a silence) and is largely unnecessary (silence/stun) in 4 man content.Quote:
- Still no silence and the stun cooldown needs to be 15s not 20s.
Melee have accuracy. Magic does not. It's not like every other class doesn't have problems with accuracy. The only difference is tank classes are screwed because their Darklight pieces NEED to be replaced by 2 pieces and usually those 2 pieces don't have accuracy.Quote:
- You will now be able to miss the Mercy Stroke heal 30% more often, which is nice I guess.
- Accuracy still a huge issue, to the point where I have had pieces of gear sitting in my bags that I simply can't use for periods of up to 2 weeks at a time (twice now). Where's the Accuracy on our weapon like every other class gets?
In reality, you only lose 1 (in the current use of Warrior) that maybe be worth using. But the healing required to put you back at 100% probably won't ever be fixed.Quote:
- Defiance still not equal in effectiveness to Shield Oath. For that matter, still no offensive stance. Losing access to a bunch of abilities if we want to do damage sucks.
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12-07-2013, 05:48 PMSwordCoheirOh no doubt, but I believe the mechanics of WAR are what a majority of the populace are struggling with and not so much the abilities themselves. We all know there's a continent wide rift on how each person "thinks" WAR should be played, and this update doesn't really change the mechanics of how WAR is played just changed what the abilities will do. Those who struggle with WAR as it is, aren't going to be able to play WAR any better, but those who can are going to have an easier time than they used too.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaSinX
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12-07-2013, 06:13 PMOmegaSinXThis can be said for every class. Good Players will make their class better. But Although WAR is a lil bit harder to play than PLD, I dont think the mechanics of WAR was the cause. Shield Oath & a Shield alone made PLD's more effiecnt tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwordCoheir
IMO both classes should be balance but the harder class to play should shine in right hands. This obviously wasnt the case. WAR was all risk no reward. -
12-07-2013, 06:55 PMIllya
The new Holmgang will be good times. Like Hallowed Ground except that you really don't want it to wear off while you're at 1 HP. Healers are going to have heart attacks after WAR's use that skill.
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12-07-2013, 07:04 PMOmegaSinXUnless Healer lets WAR go down to 1hp, it shouldnt be a issue. Holmgang will not bring down your HP to 1hp, it just prevents you from dying for 6 secs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illya
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12-07-2013, 07:58 PMGrailer
Well I just had a lvl 47 warrior that didn't even have defiance up for entire run and lost agro so much I basically dot the mob 2x , hit it once and waited for a while to avoid stealing agro . Even stole agro while playing mage ballard.
So yeah I don't think warrior buff is going to make people smarter . -
12-08-2013, 12:19 AMNaelle
I was a bit surprised they went with pugilist over lancer for secondary job pool. Invigorate and Keen Flurry seem perfect for Warrior :(
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12-08-2013, 12:47 AMPaikisNot to mention Blood for Blood, cos we need to get hit harder! :) yeah, I'd trade Featherfoot and Internal release for Keen Flurry/invigorate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naelle
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12-08-2013, 02:02 AMJudge_Xero
Most interested about Storms Path. If it reduces damage a mob does than that's more effective than RoH which is a STR reduction (about 8% less physical damage) I agree that will likely be more bad War tanks than Pld still though.
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12-08-2013, 03:59 AMLeironThey can always make BfB unusable for a WAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paikis
IMO, they should have given WAR both PUG and LNC cross abilities.
I'd definitely take invigorate and Keen flurry. -
12-08-2013, 04:52 AMYagrush
Holmang will require lots of coordination with the Healers and A LOT of faith. Lots, and lots of it.
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12-08-2013, 05:23 AMSchmitty
Most excited about holmgang, with coordination (with your trusty healer, of course) it will be invaluable and a huge thrill to use properly.
Not to mention how great it will be for moments when a fight goes pear shaped towards the end.
I can also see it being used on boss fights with two adds. As form of snap aggro. Provoke>tomahawk>Butchers one add and holm the other to give your dps time to blast it down. Good times ahead. -
12-08-2013, 01:07 PMOmegaSinXIdk if its just me, but I think mnk was the better choice for sub class. Although I wish we had Invigorate; Feather Foot > Keen Flurry, Mantra > Blood For Blood for tankingQuote:
Originally Posted by Paikis
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12-08-2013, 01:11 PMOmegaSinXI thought why they didnt do this too. Besides Provoke, no other skill from PLD is "Must have" (Convalescene is nice tho).Quote:
Originally Posted by Leiron
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12-08-2013, 01:12 PMOmegaSinX
Using Inner Beast While Vengeance is Up Will Be Amazing!!!!
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12-08-2013, 04:07 PMLeiron
You're better off popping it seperately unless its a very bad hit coming in.
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12-08-2013, 04:27 PMOmegaSinXTrue but I can see this happening alot since Vengeance builds wrath and only has 2min CD. Unless they make cooldown longer, which I pray they dont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leiron
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12-08-2013, 05:03 PMPaikis
Vengeance fits very nicely between 2 Inner Beasts. 6 seconds IB, 15 seconds Vengeance, followed by 6 more seconds IB. Gets you ~30s of decent damage reduction for tanking large groups (turn 4 anyone?)
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12-08-2013, 06:52 PMOmegaSinXThis is exactly what I had in mind since they announced Changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paikis
BB Combo(2)> Heavy Swing > Internal Release> Maim > Berserk > Storm Path (3)> Inner Beast > Heavy Swing > Skull Sunder > Vengeance > Butcher's Block (3) > SP Combo (2) > Inner Beast > Infuriate > Inner Beast > Repeat (Bold equal Warth) This equates to over 30secs of consistent mitigation. Shouldnt do this for boss tho...you should hold them till burst damage. -
12-09-2013, 01:25 AMZakalwe'Other than Provoke'? That's a little like saying, 'other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?'Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaSinX
I hear you though, as I lust after some better cross skills myself. But Provoke is the only threat copy in the game and is absolutely necessary for effective tanking in FFXIV.