punished for too many relics?

Yoshi said that relics are too common so allgan is getting a boost. To me this seems like player punishment. Because the Dev team failed to make it hard and many of use are helping others to get theirs, we get punished... Does not feel fare to me.

so ppl getting a better weapon than relic for beating the hardest battle in the game doesn't feel fair to you?

Heaven forbid there's a way to get better weapons that takes more effort. Coil Turn 5 Allgan weapons are not being handed out like candy.

it's more like people being punished for buying titan kills. relics will get upgraded in the future, so it's ok for me.

No, you're not being punished. People that are killing Twintania are being rewarded for their efforts. There's a difference.

The relic quest is easy as hell and they should have just kept it the way it was in 1.0. Be happy that you have access to top tier weapons and armor with minimal effort.

you just said it yourself, it's easy to get a relic ... just how is this considered punishment if the item is easy to get in the first place ?

besides, once you build yourself a 99 relic/myth/abyssean weapon and they get trumped by delve content in ffxi .. now THAT is another story .. relics in ffxiv are a joke to get.

Clearing the absolute hardest content in the game shouldn't give rewards more or less on par with a simple fight like Titan HM anyway. The Allagan weapons at iLv90 were not proper rewards for the effort in the first place.

I recently bought a Twintania win, and got an Allagan bow for 1.2m gil.

I'll do this a few more times, so I'm still top of the pile when 2.1 comes out.

But its not the players fault that its "easy". We didn't make it and se did nothing to stop the titan sells. But the. are punipunishing us...

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

But its not the players fault that its "easy". We didn't make it and se did nothing to stop the titan sells. But the. are punipunishing us...

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Then if you think that it should have been harder and would have liked a challenge why not just get allagan weapons? Twintania isn't exactly an easy fight.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

But its not the players fault that its "easy". We didn't make it and se did nothing to stop the titan sells. But the. are punipunishing us...

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They aren't touching the relic weapons so how are they punishing you? They are simply improving the rewards for defeating Twintania, which requires you to have the relic weapon anyway! You realise the Allagan weapons are already better than relic for most jobs right?

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Originally Posted by permbanned

Then if you think that it should have been harder and would have liked a challenge why not just get allagan weapons? Twintania isn't exactly an easy fight.

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Its not about that. This grown man went back on his word. Should be ashamed of himself.

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Originally Posted by Taerra

you just said it yourself, it's easy to get a relic ... just how is this considered punishment if the item is easy to get in the first place ?

besides, once you build yourself a 99 relic/myth/abyssean weapon and they get trumped by delve content in ffxi .. now THAT is another story .. relics in ffxiv are a joke to get.

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LMAO so many people were butt hurt about this including me. I had a 99 Almace what a shame. But you know what that's the way things go.

While on the FFXI subject Mythic weapons are pimp, But took forever to obtain this is back at 75 cap (still takes a long time now). But it could take more than a year to make 1 Mythic, 30k Alex was the biggest pain.

Would be nice for SE to add some type of Mythic weapon (Legendary anyone?) that cannot be obtained in a matter of hours (Relic) or a few days depending your luckin CoB (Allagan Weapons).

How does this change affect your ability to use your Relic+1?
How does this change affect your ability to kill with your Relic+1?
How does this change negatively impact you in any way?

Are you just upset because someone has something better than you?

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

Yoshi said that relics are too common so allgan is getting a boost. To me this seems like player punishment. Because the Dev team failed to make it hard and many of use are helping others to get theirs, we get punished... Does not feel fare to me.

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to be fair with you, ill keep it simple, oh please do shut up...

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

so ppl getting a better weapon than relic for beating the hardest battle in the game doesn't feel fair to you?

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Depends... are the primal weapons better than relic+1? if so make allagan ilevel100 and the EX mode primal weapons ilevel95

Ya'll realize this is a pretty obvious troll, right? >.>

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Originally Posted by Alberel

They aren't touching the relic weapons so how are they punishing you? They are simply improving the rewards for defeating Twintania, which requires you to have the relic weapon anyway! You realise the Allagan weapons are already better than relic for most jobs right?

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Requires an Item of Level 80 (relic) yes, dos not require a +1 (90). Because Moogle Weapons are being boosted to 80, you no longer ven NEED a relic to do Twintania with 2.1.

Not to menton if there are Weapons at the end of the Crystal Tower and are Item Level 80 as well.

I hope that Pharos Sirius or the HM dungeons give an iLevel 60 weapon since the only i60s at the moment are Ifrit.

I'm glad I didn't spend myth on the +1. Seems like a waste if you think that the instance is supposed to be done in level 80 gear (including weapon).

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Originally Posted by Flionheart

I recently bought a Twintania win, and got an Allagan bow for 1.2m gil.

I'll do this a few more times, so I'm still top of the pile when 2.1 comes out.

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Seriously though...
Why do this?
I never get that pay to win mind set. It's like buying a $60 steak dinner then paying someone else to eat it also.

once again hard core raid crew get gifted with cookies while the hard working journeymen get crapped on like mongrel dogs .

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Originally Posted by Zedine

Seriously though...
Why do this?
I never get that pay to win mind set. It's like buying a $60 steak dinner then paying someone else to eat it also.

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He's yanking the OP's chain. There's no coil group willing to give away weapons for such a small amount of gil.

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Originally Posted by Grailer

once again hard core raid crew get gifted with cookies while the hard working journeymen get crapped on like mongrel dogs .

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Once again, no changes are being made to Relic+1. How does no change suddenly change everything?

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

But its not the players fault that its "easy". We didn't make it and se did nothing to stop the titan sells. But the. are punipunishing us...

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you aren't being punished, you are probably a person who bought a titan kill, and now that you wont have the best weapon in the game are going to cry about it like you are being punished? Stop acting like a child.

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Originally Posted by Grailer

once again hard core raid crew get gifted with cookies while the hard working journeymen get crapped on like mongrel dogs .

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lmao, you want the top end weapon in the game without putting any "hard work" into it. just stop while you're ahead

I'm so...confused here. Are they downgrading relics? No? Deleting your progress? No? Snatching babies? Possibly. I'm about 90% sure OP is trolling, but punishment? At what point has SE punished anyone for having their relic exactly, what, did people expect the gear treadmill to not get rolling months after release? I'm so...confused, as this is the circle of life when it comes to any mmo, even guild wars 2.

This is all that comes to mind about the whiners, and just like that vid you all give me a hell of a good laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYeHPFR3f0

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

He's yanking the OP's chain. There's no coil group willing to give away weapons for such a small amount of gil.

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Even so, I know people who buy/sell Titan wins. I don't get that. Why play a game just to have someone else do content for you. If you want to play a game that plays itself or other people play for you just go watch "Lets Play" Videos or streams of top teams/players. The fact that you buy a win for an item or drop has always eluded me. It's not the same as buying an item in the market as you don't have the craft to get it, but if you have the class to use the item, you can obtain it through the dungeon or duty.

If they item isn't sell/trade it is for a reason. The item is more a symbol of your accomplishments. Every time i see a Relic I should think. "Man that guy beat Titan Hard Mode"
Now I'm like "hmmm wonder if he bought his relic.. his gear seems bad, besides his relic...."

I don't want this to start happening to Coil. Which it might since people are complaining it is too hard, and top teams are already clearing it regularly and before the next coil update might start selling wins.

Coil requires Titan HM to enter, why on earth would an item that appears before Coil be as good as an item that appears at the end of the games current top tier of content. Idiotic to even think it should be the same or even close.

Here's the thing: Relics are way too easy to get, and way too easy to +1, albeit more grindy. Titan HM is the only roadblock in the entire Relic questline, and even that's nullified when you get a good FC/static who knows the fight well.

The Allagan weapons needed a buff.

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I don't like it either, however I understand as long as there is the ability to sell runs it will happen. Some players find it easier to acquire gil through legitimate means or not. Others are in a group that find farming Titan is easier than acquiring that amount of gil. So exchange will happen.

Getting angry and saying it's morally wrong is not going to change a thing even if you're right. Only way to reduce this is if SE takes action to prevent it. So having a lot of players pressuring SE to do something about it maybe a better approach.

It's going to take a long time before this will happens to Coil especially for the weapons since it's locked for a week.

I'm not saying it is wrong, because yeah lets say I enjoy crafting and made 40 million gil and I want a relic but don't want to waste time/energy because i don't enjoy it it might seem reasonable then to buy it. I mean you can buy other items. But if that is my play style, why do I even need it besides shiny glowing pixels?

The point I am trying to make is that the only reason to have a top tier is so that it helps you do harder content. If you cant complete the current content, why have the new item, what makes you think you can complete the harder content? The only other reason to have these items is for show of your accomplishments, but with achievements you can see who beat coil regardless of weapon drop. You can also see that they didn't earn it if their skill is extremely lacking in luster.

I just don't understand it. It isn't that I don't like it, it's just strange in my opinion. Why pay for this game, pay for a monthly fee then pay for someone to do content for you?

Relax, they plan on letting us upgrade our relics in patches to make the Legendary Weapon. It was said in an article here: http://rainyautumnskies.wordpress.co...naoki-yoshida/

1.0 required a two star synth item and two level IV materia. in addition to this the meld had a fairly high failure rate which resulted in the player losing the materia and the weapon. (These sold for 60-70mil on Sargatanas)

I think making the relic item a one star synth with level 3 material is the reason they are so common. At this point players don't even mention relic+1 in their shouts because it's expected that they will at the least have that.

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Originally Posted by Tribunus

Coil requires Titan HM to enter, why on earth would an item that appears before Coil be as good as an item that appears at the end of the games current top tier of content. Idiotic to even think it should be the same or even close.

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Because it's gated behind three weeks of tome farming?

Tbh I wish I could buy Coil runs just to rebel against this stupid mentality mister director is trying to force into the game. I'm sick of the hardcores getting to play the coolest dungeon of the game, getting to see how the story ends, getting the only gear that actually looks cool while casuals get a recolor of their AF.

And then people comes whining that the game is too "casual friendly". Yeah, right. Say that while you fight Twintania and the casuals are doing yet more WP.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Tbh I wish I could buy Coil runs just to rebel against this stupid mentality mister director is trying to force into the game. I'm sick of the hardcores getting to play the coolest dungeon of the game, getting to see how the story ends, getting the only gear that actually looks cool while casuals get a recolor of their AF.

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You and I are quite different my friend. I want the Mythology armor because it's a recolor/re-design of AF. I know that sounds wierd, but I love the identity that each set of Mythology gives. It looks so amazing (Especially DRG!) and I just wish there was a level 50, incredibly difficult quest for each class to get the full set of armor instead of relying on dungouns for it. Sorta like traditional FF was with the original Artifact. (I know we already somewhat have that, except the 'difficult' part, I've found most level 45/50 class-quests to be a joke. Except maybe WHM if you don't know what you're doing.)

There are casuals in my coil group, nothing hardcore about logging on and playing for an hour or two, two days a week. And I don't see how anything is forced, as you're given a choice of ilvl90 gear be it through dungeon or npc and the only difference being swap around stats. And in my honest opinion most allagan gear looks like rusted shit save for the mage bodies as they actually do look pretty nice, while myth gear looks pretty amazing all around on every job.

Why don't you just run Coil and get an iLevel 95 weapon of your own? It's the meatiest content in the game right now so why wouldn't you want to do it anyway?

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Because it's gated behind three weeks of tome farming?

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And how does everyone get tomes? Farming WP, which is at the start of the end-game hardly reason for a relic+1 to be top tier or even close. Its also gated to slow down your consumption of content and keep you playing not because the item is ilvl90.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

I'm sick of the hardcores getting to play the coolest dungeon of the game, getting to see how the story ends, getting the only gear that actually looks cool while casuals get a recolor of their AF.

And then people comes whining that the game is too "casual friendly". Yeah, right. Say that while you fight Twintania and the casuals are doing yet more WP.

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Turns 1-4 can be done by a pug quite easily, turn 5 will likely be done by a pug eventually. The hardcore crowd hardly have exclusivity on the top tier when all you see all week is shouts for random groups, the only thing they do have is the chance to get there first and thats only because they put in the time for it.

Also if you dont like the direction the game is going in best leave and save yourself some money, the producer has stated on numerous occasions he is drawing inspiration from games such as WoW and RIFT. And why not? They are very successful games that follow the same line of progression that FFXIV aims to do.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Because it's gated behind three weeks of tome farming?

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Your point being? Twintania is gated behind a 2 month or more(depending on allagan rng) gearing up process to even be able to kill him. Good luck on that buying coil runs also considering there is not powerful enough gear in this game yet to just flat out carrying someone like yourself through turn 5, all the gil in the game won't change that.

I finished all my relics (6 of 9 were PUG'd) just so I can take this awesome screenshot:

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4427/rm1x.png

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Originally Posted by Darko

it's more like people being punished for buying titan kills. relics will get upgraded in the future, so it's ok for me.

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But it's the sellers who should be punished, not the buyers. Instead the sellers who have used their millions of gil to help fund their Coil runs are now being rewarded with a buffed up weapon.