Battle is very slow

I read all of the battle system - addons, but it seems nothing will change in dynamic. Which will be "in the end" same slow battle system, without life.

I wish for fast and dynamic battle like - Tera (for example)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAFXA...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acy71DTBHrw

from the look, its fast and dynamic battle system (I like dmg numbers, a lot better than FFXIV) - and we saw something in FFXII as well, why not here ? :(. I didnt play TERA and I dont intend to.
However Battle in FFXIV takes a lot of slow pace. Which in the end makes battle "boring"

Excuse my English.

i don't think it will be faster, but depending on how they change it, autoattack doenst mean things get more boring.
A fast-paced system can get very boring as well and very fast IF the tactics are missing (which is the case in ffxiv as well, no tacticts needed). So i think that major changes in tactics, group dynamics will improve the battle experience a lot.

But thats just my hopes for the changes. I wouldnt mind a faster system but it won't become faster i think. It used to be even slower and due to the fact they increased the speed some animations are "broke" or unfinished already.
The game is "realistic" in many ways. And no knight can fight as fast as an "aion" god or a tera character.
Its their special design. I personally like the speed. Since i rather enjoy animations and have good battletactis over the
fast spam-effect-combat style for a ff-mmo (i like the speed in aion (even though i dont like aion) but it fits since you are a god-like creature)

anyways. don't expect speed changes... or better, don't expect anything so you can only be positivly surprised, or at least just be surprised lol

Perhaps this is just me, but that combat looked...rather unappealing to myself. The second video reminded me of a bad Monster Hunter clone. The noises and the voices were really annoying...and watching the first video I honestly didn't think that battle system looked faster or skillful. From watching those, it actually makes me appreciate FFXIV's combat better, lol.

This is just my opinion. Sorry it does not coincide with your own.

i was wondering if tera will be any good, but so far the battles and like you said.. the sound really made me NOT trying that game.
And i really won't. And the Tera community already is bored since the fast battlesystem is just nice at the start but gets
same boring if it lacks depth. This will be a problem for all systems, including ffxiv, if tactics isnt playing a bigger roll.

Its like ffxi. The easier and "spammier" the fights got, the faster people got bored. You need tactics and variety in a battle,
different jobs, different animations etc. to make things appealing for a long time. Also different mobs with different tactics
and approaches. All jobs need to have purposes, Each job needs to ADD to the immersion of a fight and the effectiveness
of a party so nobody gets excluded. This is a major task and not easy to accomplish but its needed.

I really disagree in that combat is slow. Cool down timers of abilities with only a 5 second wait, on top of TP generation at insane rates with a LNC, and added to 8 people all doing this, it turns into a full out spam fest with everyone throwing as much as they can as fast as they can.

I hate that there is no traceability in this game in regards to actions. You never take note of a heavy strike by a party member getting a large hit, or a tactical Featherfoot to avoid an incoming special attack simply because everyone is spamming all of their own abilities non-stop.

where's the problem with a slower combat system?
i'm not gonna say it's more real if you don't swing your sword like a crazy 10 year old replaying scenes from star wars as this is a fantasy game, but i think it's just right as it is.

anyways, 1.18 and the patches after that will include the battle changes, i guess we'll see how it's after those patches.

i guess Tera has it's own game style, after trying it during the beta it felt much like a monster hunter spin-off with all the PvE behaviour.
tho MH's battle system wins as it's more setup for it's game style then Teras'.

i hope to be very wrong on the matter, but i do not see where auto attack can cause the battle system to do anything other than slow down even farther. it may allow people to flirt with each other and try to get an online date by chatting, but i don't see how it will add to the immersion for the battle itself. i'm curious to see how long it takes to have someone posting a youtube video of them soloing mob after mob with their controller sitting on their computer desk and only touching it to run to the next mob and engage.

like i said i hope i am wrong, but i am keeping my hopes horribly low so i can't be disappointed.

slow??....mobs die so fast that mages can barely cast...

about the boring part im with you...

hope the new revamp of the battle system will give us more to think about when we fight.

thinking about ffxi, unless you fought a VERY easy mob far far below your lvl, you dindt last long with autoattack.
I think its to get rid of the mind-less basic attack spamming... That wasnt very appealing to me either.
And i think they use it to make the fights more appealing and give room for animations. And that fits into the style imho.

It wasnt designed to be fps like fast (like tera or aion or whatever), which is obvious. And if they changed that they would need to redo ALL animations, i don't think they will do that, they rather add new.

They wanna change a lot but i don't think they will make a completely new game, which they would have to to achieve all this.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i hope to be very wrong on the matter, but i do not see where auto attack can cause the battle system to do anything other than slow down even farther. it may allow people to flirt with each other and try to get an online date by chatting, but i don't see how it will add to the immersion for the battle itself. i'm curious to see how long it takes to have someone posting a youtube video of them soloing mob after mob with their controller sitting on their computer desk and only touching it to run to the next mob and engage.

like i said i hope i am wrong, but i am keeping my hopes horribly low so i can't be disappointed.

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I feel bad for you if that's the reason you think people want to communicate in part situations. You must either have had some horrid experiences, or are pretty much devoid of the ability to communicate with other people normally.

oldschool players (FFXI players) might be suffer heart attack...

Whats wrong with being able to flirt anyways? lol

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Perhaps this is just me, but that combat looked...rather unappealing to myself. The second video reminded me of a bad Monster Hunter clone. The noises and the voices were really annoying...and watching the first video I honestly didn't think that battle system looked faster or skillful. From watching those, it actually makes me appreciate FFXIV's combat better, lol.

This is just my opinion. Sorry it does not coincide with your own.

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I actually play TERA...it's really soso unless all you care for is 'twitch' gameplay.

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I actually play TERA...it's really soso unless all you care for is 'twitch' gameplay.

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I disagree.

Anywho i really do not think TERA type battle system will work in XIV and honestly I wouldnt want it. I like XIV's current system if it didnt have the server delays and once stamina is removed and auto attack added it will be more enjoyable I think.

That and they've assured us that you'll still be able to take down an enemy your same rank solo.

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it may allow people to flirt with each other and try to get an online date by chatting, but i don't .....

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Still laughing so hard.....But on a side note. The speed currently is pretty good. Once the need for tactics is added, it should leave a nice Tempo for battle, and hopefully we will all have a chance to slowly combine skills and tactics for some major damage numbers.

Personally speaking.

I am So-So on the battle system I like the maual attack but id perfer more action/combo oriented fighting styles. Sort of like DCUO You had a melee key and a ranged key and used combinations of both to make your character do various skills. Much like day Mortal Kombat/ Soul calibar.

I think the animations are fine, considering there is only so many ways you can weild and swing a weapon. To add flavor though they can use sylings similar to Soul Calibar using various body motions to go with their swings. Like how I'm trying to remember character names so beg pardon if I for using character desciptions. The single sword chinese girl who more small chinese style kimono with bike shorts. And the french fencer wth blond haur who also was a single sword user. They used similar swings but had different body motions that made each style different.

Well unlike ffxi we didn't have too many attack skills just weapon skills I havre a feeling it will be more WoW style where auto attack is just a consent flow of hitting and you mostly use your attack skills.

Personally You can still do tatical battling w/o a need for it, just do not spam the same thing do other stff needed or not :P. When i did play my battle classes I didn't use the same attack I mxed it up. using various skills.

It's not really that it isn't faster that's the problem (though it is pretty clunky due to technical issues)... there's just not much going on to be honest. Attribute mechanics for this game are very simple (and probably last-gen... they should work with stamina more, or do something more dynamic if they take it out), and there is not much subtlety in regards to abilities and actual "buttons you press" (though stagnant fight encounters partly aggrandize this issue).

Yes...I wonder how many people actually play tera in depth as oppose to just riding the hype machine. FF14's hype machine was high too until you actually get into the nitty-gritty.

Boring is a matter of smoke and mirrors. We can't have smarter AIs so anything you fight 200 times will be boring. It's obvious. No one reads a book if they have it memorized.

FF14, doesn't have enough tricks to keep it fun and interesting, that's true, but it's going to take more then cheap gimmicks to evolve it.

People who play DCUO can deeply see it now, with it's content trouble and balance problems. Over used tricks stop being fun. That's what happens when people burn through content because they're shallow.

MMO have the a somewhat unique problem of having exciting battles...because exciting implies you haven't done it 2000 times.

If it's too fast you can't really pay attention to what everyone's doing too. Also, it sux to see a million things going on at once if it's too fast or has too many animations.

Call me what you want but if u want a example of strategy in a mmo battle XI was it, the system was so deep in strategy I really enjoyed it but if the want it to be a action style mmo try to get it more like tera. i think they need to pick because what we have is a awkward mix of both and it just doesnt work... pick one SE
This..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lwos...ure=grec_index

OR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG-HQFInr7M

Either is better then this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZyCptC_9pQ

I play TERA, too! ^_^ Or played, rather, didn't want to get burned out on K-Retail. I really, really love the combat system in TERA. I play(ed) a healer in it, and for once in an MMO, healing didn't put me to sleep! I couldn't ever see myself getting bored with the combat! It is so fun having to aim my heals, drop mana orbs, stay within range of my group members so that they get my Mystic buffs, and make sure that I don't literally get squashed by a boss.

That aside, as much as I love the combat system in TERA, I don't think it would ever be possible to see that type of a combat system in FFXIV. All we can do is hope that it isn't as slow as FFXI was (outside of Abyssea). I really hope that it is decently fast paced, and that they revamp battle regimens to be as fun as I thought skillchains and magic bursts were. It was very wishful thinking, but on the 2nd players poll, in the text box, I requested a carbon copy of TERA's battle system. It isn't for everyone, but I found it to be extremely fun.

That being said, and before I get told to go play TERA, I am still hopeful for FFXIV and never expected the combat system to be that in depth. I will still be happy with FFXIV as long as I get the same level of epic storytelling FFXI gave (especially with Chains of Promathia).

Oh, and here are some screenshots I took of TERA K-Retail if anyone wants to see! ^_^

(Unrelated to topic, just sharing... >.> And no, there was no anti-aliasing option on K-TERA)

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/1...t201102101.png
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http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1882/...t201104071.png
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So, maybe you should change this thread's title to "I want FFXIV's battle system to be exactly like TERA's"

They really should call tera "Lets play strippers" because every animation makes the characters look like strippers.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

They really should call tera "Lets play strippers" because every animation makes the characters look like strippers.

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http://www.ff14news.com/wp-content/g...trailer-51.jpg

What????

Also, the OP was talking about how they wish the battle system was more fast paced! ^_^ Don't know if you read it or not, they were just making a comparison.

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http://www.ff14news.com/wp-content/g...trailer-51.jpg

What????

Also, the OP was talking about how they wish the battle system was more fast paced! ^_^ Don't know if you read it or not, they were just making a comparison.

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The combat in Tera doesn't look faster or more impressive, yeah I did read his post. Any game that has floor loot I avoid like the plague.

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The combat in Tera doesn't look faster or more impressive, yeah I did read his post. Any game that has floor loot I avoid like the plague.

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Oh, I was speaking to the poster above you on that one. ^_^

http://youtu.be/K0ShwgsSPnE

That looks fast paced to me... ;_; Especially the archer, you can bind your main attacks to your mouse buttons, and with archer, you click a few times and your archer's arrow goes *pew pew* with each mouse click :D It's actually really fast!

And regarding the floor loot, the party leader can set the loot rules so even if you pick up a low-high quality item off the ground, there will still be a roll for it.

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Oh, I was speaking to the poster above you on that one. ^_^

http://youtu.be/K0ShwgsSPnE

That looks fast paced to me... ;_; Especially the archer, you can bind your main attacks to your mouse buttons, and with archer, you click a few times and your archer's arrow goes *pew pew* with each mouse click :D It's actually really fast!

And regarding the floor loot, the party leader can set the loot rules so even if you pick up a low-high quality item off the ground, there will still be a roll for it.

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Its still floor loot. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Its still floor loot. No thanks.

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I guess that must ruin your immersion... Items being dropped on the floor... Or maybe it got dirty on the floor...? ^_^

I'd rather have a battle system that requires full-on tactics than a button masher. Not saying TERA is a button masher, but it seems like it doesn't require the type of strategy i'd like my games to have.

I'm actually looking forward to an action RPG, Phantasy Star Online 2, even if its not as fast as Tera. Its just another series i can relate to. I don't really find these new IPs appealing at all. Especially if its an MMORPG. I like seeing single-player games becoming MMORPGs. Given that they have the proper genre to even become MMORPG :P

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I'd rather have a battle system that requires full-on tactics than a button masher. Not saying TERA is a button masher, but it seems like it doesn't require the type of strategy i'd like my games to have.

I'm actually looking forward to an action RPG, Phantasy Star Online 2, even if its not as fast as Tera. Its just another series i can relate to. I don't really find these new IPs appealing at all. Especially if its an MMORPG. I like seeing single-player games becoming MMORPGs. Given that they have the proper genre to even become MMORPG :P

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I to enjoy the MMO's that have an established lore to back up their infrastructure. Fallout Online should be promising.

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I guess that must ruin your immersion... Items being dropped on the floor... Or maybe it got dirty on the floor...? ^_^

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Actually it has to deal bad experiences from the past with floor loot games. Even if the same things can't happen, the memories always coming back when I see something drop to the floor pisses me off.


Namely people intentionally standing ontop of my loot drops in other games so I can't select the item and then them getting to pick it up once the grace period for me wore off.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Actually it has to deal bad experiences from the past with floor loot games. Even if the same things can't happen, the memories always coming back when I see something drop to the floor pisses me off.


Namely people intentionally standing ontop of my loot drops in other games so I can't select the item and then them getting to pick it up once the grace period for me wore off.

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I guess I can see how that would be annoying... (But in TERA you just move close to the item and press the key you assigned to pick up loot, and it grabs it, no clicking required) ^_^ Kind of like people standing on top of mailboxes etc! I never ran across anyone like that while I was playing, but I am sure there are people like that out there.

As far as a story goes, that is one of the main reasons I am playing FFXIV! I feel slightly starved after the R46 mission though, I hope they can make it as amazing as CoP was for me.

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So, maybe you should change this thread's title to "I want FFXIV's battle system to be exactly like TERA's"

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not at all what anyone is saying but the system we have is very boring and one of the things that is making ppl stop playing and at this point lmao this battle system looks better..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LSuz...eature=related

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Originally Posted by Nuru

I'd rather have a battle system that requires full-on tactics than a button masher. Not saying TERA is a button masher, but it seems like it doesn't require the type of strategy i'd like my games to have.

I'm actually looking forward to an action RPG, Phantasy Star Online 2, even if its not as fast as Tera. Its just another series i can relate to. I don't really find these new IPs appealing at all. Especially if its an MMORPG. I like seeing single-player games becoming MMORPGs. Given that they have the proper genre to even become MMORPG :P

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tactics and strategy= XI's system

TERA has a lot of strategy it has 0 "luck" systems, in XI and XIV you're only good if you have the gear for it, if you have x evasion or x str, in tera its all about you as a player and how good you are, requires more skill, theres no % of evasion, theres no % of accuracy, no % of anything.

Each class has its own different styles, There are 2 tanks, one can dish out a lot to keep hate but cannot be hit for a lot, Warrior, it has to evade so you do a lot of moving and jumping and diving and so on but lancer can take it like a man but isn't so fun. But the blocking is all down to how you time it.

Archer works like an FPS and heal classes to, healers have to aim or get in range but can take serious damage if not careful and mob's dont exactly stand in 1 spot all the time.

TERA Battle system is insane, but it is for another game and as I said earlier I dont think it would suit XIV nor do I really want it in XIV.

TERA doesnt have button mashing either, holding down left or right click continues to do w/e you have assigned, for example if your have single attack on left click, holding it down replicates Auto Attack and you can still move and aim freely. There is no lock on and nothing stops you when doing things unlike XIV where every friggen action stops you.

Oh definitely TERA's battle system is more up-to-date than FFXIVs. A pity their art style is so horrible.
It's all a matter of preference, though; and I liked the FFXI system (which was even slower paced) just as much.

I feel that the batle system is slow as well. I click... wait... click... wait.. cycle on. I feel speeding up this waiting process will increase the enjoyment of battle. I want to have my reflexes and quick judgement to be of use during battle.. I personally feel that this would vastly improve the battle system.