You want people to stop lying about Coil experience?

Then how about a lot of you guys stop demanding experience so you can cheese through a quick run. God it's like the video game interpretation of the UK job market.

They have to start somewhere. Just like you did, y'know? Before you became entitled god sauce. What, you shouldn't have to wait because it's just a game and you're paying for it? Well aren't those scrubby wet behind the ears paying for theirs too? It's just a game, right? What does it matter if they lie and it wipes a few?

Oh man I love MMO gamers. You guys are true snowflakes.

I've never lied about my experience in something. I might say i read the fight or watched a vid but I never did the fight. Or in some cases I never tanked the fight. I look at it this way.. karma is a bitch and it all catches up someday D; so I'll keep admitting to my lack of experience <3 If I can't get into a group I'll make one and be like I don't care if we wipe cause odds are we're gonna :P

Here's the flaw in your thinking. You say that because groups require experience, people are going to lie about experience in return, because they have to start somewhere. Right? The problem is that they don't HAVE to play with THOSE people. If you're inexperienced, you find people who are okay with that and whatnot. It's easy to tell if someone doesn't actually know the fight and is lying about their experience, so mostly all you do by lying is disrespecting 7 other people, and since Coil is not on DF, you have word of mouth to worry about.

It's been my experience that the "experienced" players don't actually have any much of the time. It's likely they got carried by another group and are looking to have that happen again, because if you play with something other than the top tier you might actually find it challenging and we wouldn't want that would we?

Even with an experienced PUG it is possible to not be able to pass turn 1 or 2 in the 1.5 hours time limit, so I can understand ppl looking for experienced player.
Isn't there any practice group on NA/EU server? I see a lot on JP server, you don't need to finish one turn to be experienced, but ppl should at experience all the mechanics, coil is much harder than lot of un-experienced player thought.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonThunder

Then how about a lot of you guys stop demanding experience so you can cheese through a quick run.

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Why would they want to sit through possibly hours of failed coils runs by people who have never done it before? If you don't have experience, don't expect an experienced group to carry you through coils.

I don't mind new people and teaching them the ropes.

It's when we're looking for Experienced-Twintania players, only to get someone who just barely skims by and has never done Twintania before that I draw the line. (This actually happened; He claimed to be experienced but apparently doesn't know what experienced is... spoiler, he was Pinoy)

This never makes sense to me. When someone shouts that they want exp players...you do realize that you can make your own party too right? Shout for non relics, People in AF do whatever you want man, its a free game unless your playing in communist China. Being forced to be RMT or something. You just want people to hold your hand through content like I'm sure your mommy and daddy hold your hand and through life.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonThunder

They have to start somewhere. Just like you did, y'know?

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They started with other inexperienced players. Once they got experience, they chose to only want to play with other experienced players. It's not their duty to teach you the fight when they had to learn it themselves.

forming your own static group is soooo hard. I mean.. thats how everyone else started, right?

If you have this problem you could start your own group and take similar inexperienced players and progress together. People who have done it before want to play with people on the same level as them. Everyone did start somewhere, and most people started with a whole group of inexperienced players.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

They started with other inexperienced players. Once they got experience, they chose to only want to play with other experienced players. It's not their duty to teach you the fight when they had to learn it themselves.

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Typical BG-type attitude: Climb a ladder someone set up and take it up with you. Keep it klassy, guys.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Typical BG-type attitude: Climb a ladder someone set up and take it up with you. Keep it klassy, guys.

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And? Not everyone has the patience to teach half the server the fights. Once they and a few others have learned it, they are under no obligation to teach everyone else. If they CHOOSE to do so, so be it. But they don't have to. Thinking they have a poor attitude if they don't, is wrong.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonThunder

Then how about a lot of you guys stop demanding experience so you can cheese through a quick run. God it's like the video game interpretation of the UK job market.

They have to start somewhere. Just like you did, y'know? Before you became entitled god sauce. What, you shouldn't have to wait because it's just a game and you're paying for it? Well aren't those scrubby wet behind the ears paying for theirs too? It's just a game, right? What does it matter if they lie and it wipes a few?

Oh man I love MMO gamers. You guys are true snowflakes.

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Sounds like someone wants to get carried.

How about people respect that others want to get through content quickly, and if they want to start on turn 1 fresh with no experience they make their own group? A novel idea, I know.

thread backfire

Moral of the story? If you put a requirement that extends beyond the video game architecture, something that cannot be represented or shown to you in game, people can and will lie about it.

You done this before? Yup!
Do you know the rotation? Yup!
You know what to do here right? Yup!

Just saying. Achievements only go so far.

find yourself an fc. make your own static group. problem solved.

Hey op we're not running a charity here, everyone running coil started from somewhere and I don't remember lying about experience or crying on forums as my start on coil.

Here's a hint: the groups you want to play with aren't the ones asking for experience. Be the change you want to see.

I'm always up for teaching new people, and if I have the time to teach new people -- I will be doing just that.

Unfortunately, there are situations where time restraints make it next to impossible to invite people who don't know what they're doing if we are looking for a win that night. My Coil static runs starting at any point between 1am and 2am EST. Our schedule is so late because some of our members work that late (one person doesn't get home until midnight his time). Our runs are already limited due to the fact that maintenance always happens during our coil times, so we simply do not have the time to teach new people unless we feel like sitting up until 4am.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

Why would they want to sit through possibly hours of failed coils runs by people who have never done it before? If you don't have experience, don't expect an experienced group to carry you through coils.

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Everyone went in an absolute master and one shotting all 5 turns - No one ever started fresh or needed to gain experience.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Everyone went in an absolute master and one shotting all 5 turns - No one ever started fresh or needed to gain experience.

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Yup - I did. Formed a group of pugs for coils and we watched videos and taught ourselves. Didn't need to be carried.

Well go make your own group, wipe 100 times in coil then come back and tell us if you feel the same

stop trying to pug

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

They started with other inexperienced players. Once they got experience, they chose to only want to play with other experienced players. It's not their duty to teach you the fight when they had to learn it themselves.

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People like the OP embody the entitlement mentality. A product of the everyone gets a trophy generation.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Typical BG-type attitude: Climb a ladder someone set up and take it up with you. Keep it klassy, guys.

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Meanwhile in the real world, the the ladder that was left isnt being used because there are 100 people at the bottom complaining that noone will carry them up.

Hopefully all this crap will end soon. With Crystal Tower everyone will have item Lv80 and people will be able to pass Coils with even a few inexperience players.

The thread was made in response to the topics of complaints over lying to get into Coil. If people can complain about that then this is justified too.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonThunder

Then how about a lot of you guys stop demanding experience so you can cheese through a quick run.

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this is true and i would like to add something :

most poeple that say they experienced doesnt mean they are anygood reason why they have no group or they are just too casual its often better to try newbies that can become great players if you gvie them a chance and could most likely play way better and listen better on how it is done then the "experienced players"

if you are trying to pug coil theres a reason for it ...

I'm still not seeing a good justification for lying, your chances of getting the goodwill needed to find regular raiders gets flushed down the toilet.

I have seen groups exit coil mid-fight to kick out a liar after many wipes when otherwise they would of been understanding and willing to help. Don't be that person.

Yesterday I formed a T1 group with some LS mates and picked up people to fill the roles we lacked.

It was a "no-experience but decent geared" run and I filled the needed roles (Healer and 3 DPS) in seconds, we went in and died to ADS about 15 times until we figured out how to kill it. After that it got quite late so we ended it there.

People will join a unexperienced group if they actually want to learn, but somepeople just want to get carried through dungeons trying to not stand out so they wont be yelled at.

I've still yet to experience Coil for this exact reason, despite my FC being made up of a few people I'd call friends.

Everyone is so concerned about getting to end game before everyone else that way they have nothing to do anymore and can then whine about there being nothing to do.

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with experienced players wanting to play with other experienced players

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To be fair, there's nothing wrong with experienced players wanting to play with other experienced players

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That's understandable, but new players can't become experienced if those people are never willing to give anyone else a shot.

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Originally Posted by VidulaSaix

That's understandable, but new players can't become experienced if those people are never willing to give anyone else a shot.

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It's not experienced players job to go around teaching everyone. Some nice people will but the majority are going to continue running with their experienced groups.

It's your job to find others like yourselves and teach yourself how to do it. There's videos, tutorials, guides etc. I would stop looking for an experienced group to take you and start being resourceful.

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Originally Posted by VidulaSaix

That's understandable, but new players can't become experienced if those people are never willing to give anyone else a shot.

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Which is exactly my point. Yes I know experienced players are not entitled to help others and I yet I see so many complain about not being up to standard to run and honestly you all know very well why that is.

Well, for me I am lucky. I'm totally inexperience with Coil, my FC have a few grps of coil static. The first grp wipe the floor for days ends and finally got their way to T5. They brought me alone for the ride till T4.

I got my Mnk accessory, from those few runs. Now I got the experience I went with the other Grps when they need DPS to help out or an experienced player.

I can't static due to work. But I sure can Freelance within my FC (>...>)/

Then again I was lucky. Hopefully you guys can find an FC willing to help you out.

While I do agree with what you've said here, at the same time, as an inexperienced Coiler (and raider, in general), I wouldn't want to play with those elitist people. If they want their speed run, let them have it. I'll be over here having a laugh with some people who don't take themselves too seriously and that I can have some fun with.

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While I do agree with what you've said here, at the same time, as an inexperienced Coiler (and raider, in general), I wouldn't want to play with those elitist people. If they want their speed run, let them have it. I'll be over here having a laugh with some people who don't take themselves too seriously and that I can have some fun with.

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Personally, I prefer Speed runs, save myself a lot of time. But the problem is if a grp in FC keeps doing Speeds, the rest of the FC will feel side lined. ppl will leave and Drama explodes out of control.

Having a great grp in your FC, is potential powder keg at times. But spitting them up so they guide newer peeps, well, kinda unfair to them too.

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It's not experienced players job to go around teaching everyone. Some nice people will but the majority are going to continue running with their experienced groups.

It's your job to find others like yourselves and teach yourself how to do it. There's videos, tutorials, guides etc. I would stop looking for an experienced group to take you and start being resourceful.

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I'm well aware how the fights in Coil go, but when my FC doesn't want to let me in because I haven't done the content yet won't let me in to experience the content in a way that they deem proper experience, it just sours me on the whole thing.

You're right. It's not -anyone's- job to teach someone else about a specific piece of content, but on the flip side it's also not anyone's responsibility to know how a specific piece of content works before even going into it.

Hlaf the time the people shouting aren't that experienced anyway. A few days ago I joined a Titan shout (out of boredom) that said the usual "Full DL, must have experience in phase 5 etc. etc.". We killed the heart (just) but the after the first 3x3 bomb formation everyone but me and the tank was dead.

This is why I like open PK games. Lie about experience for a raid and/or completely drop the ball? Get ready to never be able to get to the entrance ever again. There is more community policing when the constant threat of death and camping hangs over your head. I like having that extra tool to beat down tools.

Anyway, Coil isn't on DF for reason. If you need to PUG and you are experienced, I see no reason why its incumbent upon you to teach newcomers. Requesting it is perfectly reasonable. If you like about your experience shame on you. Keep doing it long enough and you'll end up on so many blacklists that you won't be finding a party easily.