Please add iLvl sync to save new end game content from being facerolled.

There was already topic about this on dungeons forums, but it was written in so broken english that it was barely understandable.
Levelling instaces have lvl sync so they cant be facerolled/carried by high lvl chars. So why there is nothing like that for end game content? As the progression becomes gear-based, the sync should be by average item level. Generally, the max avg item level should be equal to the level of items dropped in instance, for example:
WP - max average ilvl 55
AK - max ilvl 60
Ifrit - 60
Garuda - 70
Titan - 70
CT - 80
Coil - 90 (this will be imortant once higher ilvl gear appears), however separate can be considered (t1 - 80, t2 - 83, t4 - 87, t5 - 90)

This way crystal tower and other new instances wont be facerolled by ppl overgeared so much that they wont have to pay attention to mechanics. Also instances will retain some of their challenge. No more titan carries without effort of the carried one. No more "lfm ak/wp sr relic + 1 full dl only". They have the same power as less geared player. No more having to gear up alt job with main job to the point of making playing that job pointless.

However, it may change to "lfm ak/wp sr only full penta melded gear". In order to prevent that, the average ilvl sync should be based per attribute bonus. A particular instance will have caps of:
1. Weapon phys/magic damage cap. Based on job.
2. Gear phys defense cap. Based on role, but separate for phys/magic dps.
3. Gear magic defense cap. Based on role, but separate for phys/magic dps.
4. Shield block cap.
5. Primary attribute cap (str, int, dex, mind)
6. Vitality cap.
7. Combined secondary attribute cap. A weighted sum of acc, det, skill speed, spell speed, crit, dex for tanks, parry and piety.

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I agree.
Sick of speedruns i play a videogame to kill monsters not to run past them as fast as possible.
Makes too much sense, prepare to get flamed!

lol

titan was being carried the week after people hit 50

you know what i did? i took a dump while i let my friend play who proceeded to stand in landslide and die in to a bomb.

I am pretty sure that at the time FFXIV (games best non legacy FC and performers of my carry. Guaranteed one shots by the way) were all wearing DL/Relic, maybe 1 piece of myth gear.

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Sick of speedruns i play a videogame to kill monsters not to run past them as fast as possible.

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last month called and asked you to read the patch notes

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Originally Posted by Delorean

last month called and asked you to read the patch notes

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WP: sleep everything and kill only tonberries.
I wonder if we are playing the same game.

No ty, terrible idea. I like to faceroll stuff with my ilvl90 gear. You can go ahead and switch your gear to whatever you want, don't force such change on me ^^.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

No ty, terrible idea. I like to faceroll stuff with my ilvl90 gear. You can go ahead and switch your gear to whatever you want, don't force such change on me ^^.

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Eorzea is full of stuff you can faceroll to pretend you are good at the game.
It would be nice if instanced dungeons were a challenge.
I know, its a revolutionary idea ^^

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Eorzea is full of stuff you can faceroll to pretend you are good at the game.
It would be nice if instanced dungeons were a challenge.
I know, its a revolutionary idea ^^

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-_- I don't recall pretending to be good at anything ^^. Like I said, don't touch my gear, kthxbye.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

-_- I don't recall pretending to be good at anything ^^. Like I said, don't touch my gear, kthxbye.

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Meh not meant to you... forgive my manners :P
Wont touch your gear, just cap its stats to make it more fun.
Think about it instead of saying NO.
Nine speedruns a week are boring, nice challenging runs might take longer but hey at least you are playing!

0/10. Awful idea. I would unsubscribe immediately if they did this.

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Originally Posted by Curagaja

0/10. Awful idea. I would unsubscribe immediately if they did this.

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Agreed, I want to take my new shiny gear into earlier end game instances. Why? It allows me to see how much I've progressed.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Agreed, I want to take my new shiny gear into earlier end game instances. Why? It allows me to see how much I've progressed.

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Not sure if serious...

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Meh not meant to you... forgive my manners :P
Wont touch your gear, just cap its stats to make it more fun.
Think about it instead of saying NO.
Nine speedruns a week are boring, nice challenging runs might take longer but hey at least you are playing!

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Dear, we all should know by now that those people play MMORPGs for the e-peen factor.

I mean, imagine how shattered their ego would be if they died to a +4 Everybody's Grudge.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Not sure if serious...

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Completely serious. The whole point of getting new gear is to become more powerful. If you can't use that new gear in other instances then you're not really getting "more powerful." Going from having groups of similar geared players and narrowly beating demon wall before you run out of space to defeating said wall before bee's spawn shows what your work has accomplished.

It's called progression.

Well i guess to each his own.
After a weekend working on TT i dont need to faceroll WP to feel cool.
Evenmoreso on a game where gear is so easy to obtain its not really an e-peen thing anymore.

Its not really about feeling cool or wanting speed runs. Its about wanting to keep the thing and stats you took the time to get. Might as well make gear appearance only then and have all class stat capped on whatever dungeon your running and have to beat previous dungeons to unlock new. This seems to me like it is taking away gears worth.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Well i guess to each his own.
After a weekend working on TT i dont need to faceroll WP to feel cool.
Evenmoreso on a game where gear is so easy to obtain its not really an e-peen thing anymore.

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You're coming off as a bit of a jerk. I agree with Reslin, we play the game to progress our characters. If gear was capped per dungeon you'd be running the same dungeon at exactly the same power forever. You would never get that sense of getting stronger. Can you imagine if everywhere you went locked your level/gear in a normal RPG? That'd be terrible. People spend time leveling up in older FF games to feel stronger than the enemies they are fighting.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Meh not meant to you... forgive my manners :P
Wont touch your gear, just cap its stats to make it more fun.
Think about it instead of saying NO.
Nine speedruns a week are boring, nice challenging runs might take longer but hey at least you are playing!

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I have not done speed runs in a long time now. There are few good methods to cap your Myth after Coil T1-T4(5).

1- Sell Titan (carry 3-4 people at the same time) << my current Myth cap method & Gil printer.
2- Help PUGs do Titan HM, I do this all the time as soon as I see someone shout for one, I join ^^. At least I try to join, sometimes I get told I'm not a bard -_-.


You can get creative. If you start ilvl sync Coil & Myth gear, you take away their value and most players are not going to be happy about it.

what would the point even be of doing endgame then?
you do it to get better gear, be it coil drops or myth items.. to have them capped straight away as you grind for more?
no. just no.
the dungeons should be challenging by developer's design, not by limiting the player.. even more.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

After a weekend working on TT i dont need to faceroll WP to feel cool.

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It's not even just about e-peen. I don't brag about how "Fast" I clear a dungeon and I'm not one of those people who really care if my group messes up. What I do care about is progression. I don't want to just play barbie dress up. I want to see character improvement. I want to feel more powerful as I get new and better gear. This was actually a huge complaint with Elder Scrolls oblivion in that everything leveled up with you and the first mods out rectified this. I play mmorpgs to get gear and become stronger then use that stronger gear to get better gear and become even stronger. In fact, it annoys me I can't "choose" to do an earlier instance without scaling my level down. One of my favorite things in other mmorpgs is to take my current gear to earlier instances to see if I can solo it and sometimes even provide my own challenges.

I prefer freedom over restrictions.

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Originally Posted by Naelle

If gear was capped per dungeon you'd be running the same dungeon at exactly the same power forever.

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Gear is already capped per dungeon up to level 50. It works, and it would work past level 50 too.

Would you like to beat a lvl 30 mob with your lvl 50 weapon? If you dont, why would you want to run a lvl 50 instance in i90 gear?

You progress by clearing content not by repeating the same content with better gear.

Its funny because almost everybody whines about the game being too easy but when having to chose between an easy mode and a challenge nobody wants the challenge.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Gear is already capped per dungeon up to level 50. You progress by clearing content not by repeating the same content with better gear.

Its funny because almost everybody whines about the game being too easy but when having to chose between an easy mode and a challenge nobody picks the latter.

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Scaling down ilvl90 is a lot stronger than level 30 gear. Besides, as per the dev team the real game starts after 50. When the only reward for completing content is better gear, limiting it immediately is a terrible idea.

Bypassing ilvl sync could be allowed only if u give up ANY potential rewards. No monster loot, no treasure chests and no tomes if party dont sync. And no quest progression.
Want rewards? Take at least a bit of challenge. And have overgeared faceroll "fun-only". And no-sync option allowed only after u cleared instance with sync on.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Its funny because almost everybody whines about the game being too easy but when having to chose between an easy mode and a challenge nobody wants the challenge.

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that's because what you call a challenge in reality is a limitation. it's not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Its funny because almost everybody whines about the game being too easy but when having to chose between an easy mode and a challenge nobody wants the challenge.

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What are you going on about? A challenge by forcing me to be capped? There is no challenge in that. I have already beat the content. I already know the content. A challenge isn't "I hope everyone is as knowledgeable as I am in this instance." That isn't challenging that's just luck of the draw. If you cap people based on gear and everyone is knowledgeable it will be a one shot clear the only difference is that it'd take longer so you're essentially slowing everyone down. By the way the reason low level instances are capped in this manner and high level instances aren't is because the low level instances are supposed to be a tutorial preparing players for high level instances. This prevents a 50 from queing with a level 20 and soloing the instance preventing the level 20 from learning anything.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

Bypassing ilvl sync could be allowed only if u give up ANY potential rewards. No monster loot, no treasure chests and no tomes if party dont sync. And no quest progression.
Want rewards? Take at least a bit of challenge. And have overgeared faceroll "fun-only". And no-sync option allowed only after u cleared instance with sync on.

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There is no challenge being scaled down. I repeat. There is no challenge. People know where to tank the final boss in AK to prevent everyone from being hit by his aoe. Everyone knows to break from the boss when he does said AOE to burn down the add. Everyone knows the pattern for demon wall. Everyone knows how to deal with the bee's. Scaling our gear down doesn't suddenly make us forget this information. You're just making the instance take longer.

The whole purpose of doing endgame is to get better gear to be able to do content easier.

I say 100% no to this idea. This would remove most the reasons to even get better gear.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

This prevents a 50 from queing with a level 20 and soloing the instance preventing the level 20 from learning anything.

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Exactly.
Happens the same on WP and AK.
A newbie can't really "learn" them if everybody else is speedrunning/facerolling the instance.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

It's not even just about e-peen. I don't brag about how "Fast" I clear a dungeon and I'm not one of those people who really care if my group messes up. What I do care about is progression. I don't want to just play barbie dress up. I want to see character improvement. I want to feel more powerful as I get new and better gear. This was actually a huge complaint with Elder Scrolls oblivion in that everything leveled up with you and the first mods out rectified this. I play mmorpgs to get gear and become stronger then use that stronger gear to get better gear and become even stronger. In fact, it annoys me I can't "choose" to do an earlier instance without scaling my level down. One of my favorite things in other mmorpgs is to take my current gear to earlier instances to see if I can solo it and sometimes even provide my own challenges.

I prefer freedom over restrictions.

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So you progress your gear but not the dungeon you do?
I always thought that progression was about the level/difficulty of the instance. In WoW terms, a progression guild would push forward the Heroic raid until they beat it, only doing normal mode bosses if they're completely stuck with current gear.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

The whole purpose of doing endgame is to get better gear to be able to do content easier.

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Lolwut? O.o

This is an absolutely terrible idea. It absolutely destroys the entire point of gearing up in the first place.
You get new gear to use to make doing things easier, that's the entire point of an RPG. If you want that challenge back, well great, there's low level gear you can equip - don't ruin it for everyone else, most of us like that our new gear gives us visible increases.

OP and supporters are obviously either very lazy or very bad and want everyone else to suffer for it.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Exactly.
Happens the same on WP and AK.
A newbie can't really "learn" them if everybody else is speedrunning/facerolling the instance.

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A newbie will screw up the speed run if they don't know how to speed run. They'd have to be taught the process and successfully learn the process. Sorry you also missed the point. By being level 50 they already passed the tutorial.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

So you progress your gear but not the dungeon you do?
I always thought that progression was about the level/difficulty of the instance. In WoW terms, a progression guild would push forward the Heroic raid until they beat it, only doing normal mode bosses if they're completely impossible with current gear.

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The reward for progressing past an instance is better gear and becoming more powerful.

Damn i always thought you got better gear to be able to take on harder content.
Turns out you get better gear to faceroll content you already cleared.

/shocked
I must be on the wrong game!

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Originally Posted by EmSix

OP and supporters are obviously either very lazy or very bad and want everyone else to suffer for it.

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Yeah we are lazy and bad for asking harder dungeons... makes sense!

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Damn i always thought you got better gear to be able to take on harder content.
Turns out you get better gear to faceroll content you already cleared.

/shocked
I must be on the wrong game!

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It's both. We don't need restrictions. We need more challenges to use our better gear on. Things that truly challenge us as players. We don't need to "Slow down." content we're already capable of completing or progressed past.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Yeah we are lazy and bad for asking harder dungeons... makes sense!

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You're not asking for harder dungeons. You're asking to slow down the speed of completing existing dungeons. We all want harder dungeons added to the game (See new content.) and greater challenges than what we've faced before. You're not suggesting something that will challenge us.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Yeah we are lazy and bad for asking harder dungeons... makes sense!

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You can get your challenge by voluntarily wearing low level gear then, can't you? Alternatively - Go work on coil.
All this suggestion does is worsen the grind of end game gear.

Some people love the challenge of clearing runs as fast as possible, you want dungeons to be harder - there are ways both can work in the current system. Your way forces one or the other.
At the end of the day a continuous challenge is impossible because once you learn something, it becomes easier anyway, content is going to get easier and easier regardless of gear. Your point is moot.

Don't slow down existing content, add more. This suggestion is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by EmSix

You can get your challenge by voluntarily wearing low level gear then, can't you? Alternatively - Go work on coil.

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You mean clear 1-4 in one hour and then spend the rest of the week on TT? I do that but id like some challenge outside of the coil too.
Instead of taking guesses you could check the Lodestone. I am as lazy as you are (not much in fact).

NO, de-rating your gear defeats the whole purpose of getting gear.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

You mean clear 1-4 in one hour and then spend the rest of the week on TT? I do that but id like some challenge outside of the coil too.
Instead of taking guesses you could check the Lodestone. I am as lazy as you are (not much in fact).

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Challenges outside of coil would be great but unfortunately you're not suggesting anything challenging outside coils. You just want to slow down the current rate of progression.

I went and did a head count of different users.

4 are for the poster's suggestion (including the OP himself.) 17 are against. You are outnumbered by 4 times so I think it's safe to say that most people agree that this is a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Challenges outside of coil would be great but unfortunately you're not suggesting anything challenging outside coils. You just want to slow down the current rate of progression.

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I would ask for awesome and challenging open world beastmen stronghold if i had a slight chance to see that implemented!
What we have are easy dungeons, lets at least make them harder?

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

You mean clear 1-4 in one hour and then spend the rest of the week on TT? I do that but id like some challenge outside of the coil too.
Instead of taking guesses you could check the Lodestone. I am as lazy as you are (not much in fact).

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Well you have ways of doing that - You don't need to force your challenge on others though. You should work on Twintania more though if you still aren't killing it (or is that challenge too much for you and your friends?)
Also don't lump me in with you, I'm not lazy.