FATE's in Dungeons?

So I was thinking....to make dungeons more....appealing to run more than once....why not add FATES to a run? I mean the FATE does not have to appear every time you run it, but have a percentage as to when it does appear. I think that would bring the dungeons some more life than just get from point a to point b.....although that is the point I suppose. But one thing that I liked about WoW...well more vanilla WoW, was that the instances felt alive and the dungeons had stories in and of themselves. I like ARR, and I like the dungeons....and I know they are making them more viable in 2.0, but this is just my 2 cents.

Interesting idea. But speedrunners would just completely ignore it anyway, which could lead to tension between party members who would want to do it.

I've had enough of FATES tbh. Keep them out of dungeons lol.

I love this idea!

I don't think an instanced dungeon would be the right place for a FATE.
But it would be perfect for an open-world dungeon.

I'd rather see leve quests implemented for dungeons.

I would rather see behom and odin in a fate instance dungeon than what we have now. All the pc's and ps3 I play on do 150% better instance than open world.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

I'd rather see leve quests implemented for dungeons.

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Ya, that to. But really my idea is more to add variety to a dungeon. But a leve quest could do that as well. Like you take a leve and it spawns when you go into a dungeon. It's along the same lines. I like that idea as well. As for speed runners, you make their time worth it. To my understanding the speed runs are to gather tomes and what not, so make that a reward for completing the FATE or leve. Just like you get seals in the open world FATE's. Really this is just to make the dungeons more varied. Diablo 3 despite all the crap that went on in that game, kept some of the instances fun and worth replaying to see all the random events that could occur. I am not saying that you need to go to that extent, but that not every run you make would be the same. Keeps it fresh somewhat. And sure there will be many of us that will see every option there is and be like been there done that, but there are some FATE's that are fun to replay.

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Originally Posted by WHS

I would rather see behom and odin in a fate instance open world dungeon than what we have now. All the pc's and ps3 I play on do 150% better instance than open world.

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Fixed it a bit.
We need more open world content, not less

Maybe doing it that no one can enter the blue circle after 50 people are already in the circle? And everytime someone die, someone else can enter it. and whoever died get send automatic back to the homepoint.

FATEs in Dungeons sound great to me ( Since it's not 30 people attacking 1 mob) and the FATE itself would hopefully have more of a thought process when completing them. As long as the FATE itself is engaging, have to use your brain a little and the EXP isn't over the top then personally, I would welcome this addition!

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Originally Posted by DaffyRoth

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The dungeons in WoW isn't really something you should compare to, if you want to avoid bias. They had a base history to begin with that's why, ever since the original Warcraft almost 20yrs ago. Working from a games established history (the RTS games, board games, novels, etc) is a lot more simple to create a new game's history/story from than something that doesn't really have that to begin with. Working on ARR from 1.0 really didn't help as much due to the fact that it didn't have time to really establish itself.

FATEs in dungeons, while an interesting concept, would really just be the same as some sort of generic event occurring. Further exploration to be done by those who choose to take part in it. It just shouldn't be something "mandatory". By that, I mean that it shouldn't be something that you'd come across naturally progressing through the dungeons. This is so that people don't complain that groups are basically "forced" to do them, since it's just dangling in front of them. You'd basically need to take a small detour to get to them.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Fixed it a bit.
We need more open world content, not less

Maybe doing it that no one can enter the blue circle after 50 people are already in the circle? And everytime someone die, someone else can enter it. and whoever died get send automatic back to the homepoint.

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That is ridiculous, they need to remove the fixed cap on rendering and allow it to cap at your actual system capacity (by system I mean your own hardware, the player's, and the computer itself) and what they are already doing, which fixing the rendering priority layers (this happens on 2.1).

EDIT: Also to stay on topic, I think this would be a great idea!

Adding some dynamic events so that not every run is the same, something tiny, such as rare spawns or rare optional objectives (that add some reward to make people also want to do them, aside for the fun factor, such as a bit more experience or extra loot).

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

The dungeons in WoW isn't really something you should compare to, if you want to avoid bias. They had a base history to begin with that's why, ever since the original Warcraft almost 20yrs ago.

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I understand what you are saying, and if it were any other company I would agree with you lore wise. Square has some good writers and they can weave a good tale. And just to clarify, I am no WoW fanboy, as I have not played really anything but vanilla WoW. But those dungeons that were there at the start have stuck with me throughout the years. FATE's, events, or leve quests would be optional the way I see it, so ya I agree put it off the beaten path, but every so often have on pop on the main path, keeps players on their toes. I just feel that the dungeons are somewhat underwhelming...at least to me. BUT....that is not a game breaker for me. Just an idea/opinion. :)

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Originally Posted by Felis

But it would be perfect for an open-world dungeon.

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There are already FATEs in beastmen strongholds that nobody care to do.

It would be nice if they could make dungeons dynamic in nature and FATEs might be the best way to accomplish this, short of making x amount of different maps for each dungeon, ala Diablo.

Some sort of rare-ish random occurrence or mob would be a welcome addition to an instance. I would love to occasionally stumble upon a Qiqirn bandit that can be killed for a bounty or treasure or how about a injured baby something that can be clicked for a minion. A rare bonus treasure chest that sometimes is a mimic!

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

Some sort of rare-ish random occurrence or mob would be a welcome addition to an instance. I would love to occasionally stumble upon a Qiqirn bandit that can be killed for a bounty or treasure or how about a injured baby something that can be clicked for a minion. A rare bonus treasure chest that sometimes is a mimic!

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Originally Posted by Orophin

It would be nice if they could make dungeons dynamic in nature and FATEs might be the best way to accomplish this, short of making x amount of different maps for each dungeon, ala Diablo.

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Yes and yes!!! That is what I am talkin about, and it's funny that you bring up mimics as my roommate and I were discussing that very thing last night and how interesting it would be if a chest had a chance to be one! But ya this is the kind of stuff I am referring to.