What is the stance on the Devs about a PVP "driven" ARR for the future?

This is not a rant, just a genuine concern about this game direction.

Have the Devs mentioned if they plan to make this game PVP oriented?
WoW, IMO made that mistake, where PVP, gear, seasons etc marked the future and tendency of the game.

And they left the PVE side of the gamea bit unattended.
I fear that now that SE is targeting a larger audience they might follow this path and leaving the PVE, lore, story side of the game a bit on the loose end.

Any idea on this?

From all dev letters and information given, PVP will be set to specific places, areas and zones. It will not affect anyone who doesn't want to participate in it, and the main storyline will never force anyone, either.

I wouldn't worry about them ignoring PVE content in favor of PVP. I think we'll get a healthy dose of both, but a larger scale on PVE based on all information given so far.

The devs have stated that PvP will have no affect on PvE at all, and will never be enforced. They did mention some kind of 'front lines' areas, but that'd be the closest it'll get, from what they've indicated. PvP will have separate gear, and all abilities will be separate, so that they either simply only exist in either PvE or PvP but not both, or the same skill will behave differently between the two.

That's what I've gathered, anyway.

From what I've seen, the concept of PvP as a focus for the Dev's can be summed up in one word. Meh...

FF is a PvE centric game as far as I know. PvP will be present, but can be practically avoided if you so choose. I mean, they are giving all classes specific pvp skill sets, so that there tells me there will be a definitive line dividing the two parts of the game.

Will pvp be a focal point? I doubt it, but it will definitely be a feature advertised.

From the comments I've read, they've said PvP doesn't really fit in with the Final Fantasy franchise and is being tolerated for market reasons.

Which is a shame, since PvP is the cheapest content to make with the most reusability. It lets the players entertain themselves.

I think the game is already losing subs due to the lack of PvP and the extremely narrow end-game.

yeah FF is a PVE oriented series

Barrett never ran out looking to pvp with the Turks

pvp driven gameplay would make quite a few players unsub. I know I would.

If there is one thing I hated about WoW with a passion it was the constant pvp challenge requests, which went 100% ignored by me.

But they are indeed keeping it separate, which is a good thing. PvP isn't for everyone

What I hated with WoW was that they were constantly nerfing and buffing classes due to PvP which in turn messed up PvE. It was very annoying and it happened just about every patch. I really hope this game doesn't take that route.

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Originally Posted by Bane766

What I hated with WoW was that they were constantly nerfing and buffing classes due to PvP which in turn messed up PvE. It was very annoying and it happened just about every patch. I really hope this game doesn't take that route.

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THIS THIS THIS!!!!!

THIS IS exactly my point.
While i DID enjoy WoW for a little while, I NEVER liked that the STORY AND LORE were very very weak.
IMO in that game PVP some what directed the game and PVE suffered form all the "balancing" that was done to fix pvp.

I hope this never happens here.

Final Fantasy is a STORY driven game and I hope it reamins that way.
Iam one of those players that is not interested whatsoeer in pvp

From what i've seen in dev letters etc, PVP will have unqiue abilities not available in PVE. And being that their is no open world PVP and their won't be, the two are completely independent of each other. If you want to PVP, go pvp, if not, don't and it won't affect you at all.

PVP will never be required but it will have unique gear and abilities. Yoshida hopes it will have the ability to reach the rank of 'eSports', but it will have 'no impact' on the PVE Progression (IE: PVP gear will NOT exceed current maximum gear).

As long as that .3 ms delay on xyz checking is there and the mechanics of this game are not client side checked, any chance of this game every being ESport worthy isn't going to happen.

Someone reviewing this game for ESport admission will get hit by an AOE they were not in and be like "Umm, no way, not a worthy ESport Game" case dismissed.

Hoping that PvP will have their own skill sets and abilities, and that they will be completely seperate from the PvE skill sets and abilities.
Thus ensuring that the constant nerfs and buffs in PvP do not affect PvE content in any way (and vice versa).

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Originally Posted by Dliver

From the comments I've read, they've said PvP doesn't really fit in with the Final Fantasy franchise and is being tolerated for market reasons.

Which is a shame, since PvP is the cheapest content to make with the most reusability. It lets the players entertain themselves.

I think the game is already losing subs due to the lack of PvP and the extremely narrow end-game.

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PvP is far from a big reason that lack of subs would occur in a game. If people pick up a strictly PvE game, for PvP, then get disappointed at a lack of PvP... I think it's understandable to just call them "stupid". That's like going into a store that only sells blue colored things, and complaining that they don't sell goods in red color. People don't sub for many reasons, often a combination of them. Most common is financial, work, or the game itself. Mind you, that last one isn't necessarily exclusive to content reasons, as this game could just be too slow-paced for them (nothing to do with content).

Not saying lack of PvP doesn't have a hand in it, as you indicated with the narrow endgame mention, but it's far from significant. Even when PvP is introduced, I have a feeling that it's not gonna be what people think it is. At first (basically for a long while), it'll be 4v4 Arena/Team style PvP (for now). It's not gonna be a large scale (soloable) battleground, it'll be organized team play, just like your typical DF group. So... unless you do a pre-made, you're gonna be partnered with those people you find in random DF! Have fun! Thankfully, the system is supposed to match random vs random, and pre-made vs pre-made... I think. So I guess as dysfunctional as your random group might be, your opponents will likely be in the same boat.

The game wont be successful without PvP, despite what you guys want to believe

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

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One could also argue that the reason the store that sells only blue goods sees only so many customers is because it doesn't offer a wider variety of colors. That if they did more people would be interested in the store and check it out. If the products are good enough blue store might be profitable but with more variety it could even be more so.

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Originally Posted by Gravehill

The game wont be successful without PvP, despite what you guys want to believe

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Even though FF11 was their most profitable game ever and didn't have real PVP? Sure. I can see wanting it, but it's naive to say it'll fail without it.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Even though FF11 was their most profitable game ever and didn't have real PVP? Sure. I can see wanting it, but it's naive to say it'll fail without it.

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FF11 came out in 2003.

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Originally Posted by Darkhaund

Final Fantasy is a STORY driven game and I hope it reamins that way.
Iam one of those players that is not interested whatsoeer in pvp

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I am seriously hoping there is very little time spent on PvP. I'm not here to duke it out in a gladiatorial arena with a bunch of other players. I want more story, more world to explore, new monsters, new boss fights, and maybe some alternative story arcs, or something ... dare I say new. I'll never step into PvP so it just seems like a useless feature. I'd rather see personal housing before PvP.

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Originally Posted by Gravehill

FF11 came out in 2003.

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So? XI's start date has nothing to do with whether it was a success or not. XI's success has everything to do with it being appealing to the audience it needed to be appealing for. From what I've seen, the FFMMO audience is more interested in whether the game has a good story than if it has PvP.

a good story totally drives end game

oh wait

The only PVP (RvR) I've actually enjoyed in an MMO was in Warhammer, it was heaps of fun but ultimately suffered from waning server populations. I did maybe an hour or two of Ballista in XI.

Seems like we might get something like RvR with the GC's. Hopefully they don't waste the opportunity and give us something lame like a simple party vs party arenas (looking at you SWTOR). If I wanted micro PvP I'd go and play DotA.

PvP will have totally different skills and such, as long as they stick with that plan I think it will be fine...

However , if they don't fix that .3 sec delay stuff...PvP won't be much fun lol.

^^ this

And PVP in FFXI WAS a thing back then. Does no one remember Ballista Royale? It just died down when they started releasing heaps of expansions and new gears and what not. "Why play PVP when theres no rewards?" I just hope it's bigger than 8v8.

You're in luck, the chance of FFXIV's pvp being worthwhile is pretty low.

I hope you all keep your cameras zoomed out, that may solve any issues you experience in pvp in the future.

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Originally Posted by Goonter

And PVP in FFXI WAS a thing back then. Does no one remember Ballista Royale? It just died down when they started releasing heaps of expansions and new gears and what not. "Why play PVP when theres no rewards?" I just hope it's bigger than 8v8.

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No one remembers or did Ballista cause it was freaking garbage.

I'll be participating in PvP, and I hope to see all you carebears on the Frontline battlefield.

As far as I understand, The Wolves Den is for casual PvP matches, while Frontline is RvR.

With that said, my only wish is for Yoshi-P to create a meaningful PvP system unlike Ballista. It was fun but there was no incentive to keep playing it.

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Originally Posted by Codek

From what I've seen, the concept of PvP as a focus for the Dev's can be summed up in one word. Meh...

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^This.

Completely different, gear & skills.
Basically rework all classes, skill tree/progression and balance from ground up? (Or do a have ass job of it? PvP 1.0 then PvP 2.0 Reborn again?)
SE wants double work load?

Clearly, PvP was not in their minds when the game was designed from the start.
Or it was a massive oversight (which might be it - I believe that was called "1.0").

But I see some class skills that looks like PvP orientated skills.
So it may be that PvP is for the expansion after level cap is raised opening up Lvl 50+ skills, which may be PvP stuff.
Dividing the game into Lv1-50 PvE & Lv51+ PvP?

Bottom line is, good PvP content is good.
But no expectations until further official notice.