Just cleared Turn 1

As a warrior.

While tanking snake with 5 stacks on him.

#WelcomeOurNewWarriorOverlords2.1
#GetAtMe

inb4carriedbyhealers

I was healing him as a sch =D

Is this what we call fashionably late?

Congratulations, you special snowflake.

Seriously, could you be any more pretentious?

That aside, congratulations, keep fighting the good fight (Just don't be a douche about it :) ).

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Originally Posted by wonka11

As a warrior.

While tanking snake with 5 stacks on him.

#WelcomeOurNewWarriorOverlords2.1
#GetAtMe

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Post when you MT Twintania. Otherwise, this is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Luci_Snow

Post when you MT Twintania. Otherwise, this is pointless.

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http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._5_kill_kinda/

/cough

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Originally Posted by Solduios

I was healing him as a sch =D

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Grats!
Being a war i know you are the one that got the job done ;)

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Originally Posted by Luci_Snow

Post when you MT Twintania. Otherwise, this is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Paikis

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._5_kill_kinda/

/cough

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Ooooohhhh Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...06/oh-snap.gif

Awesome, thank your healers. You didn't do anything except be a punching bag. Your CDs aren't enough to save you unlike PLD.

I don't understand why you're tooting your horn as if you did something miraculous.

Warriors are just boss admit it =D

TBH I had PLD go down to 3 stacks when there cool downs are down so ya healing was intense, but predictable.

Why, when Warriors and Paladins have identical effective HP? :p

Assuming equal gear, that is.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Why, when Warriors and Paladins have identical effective HP? :p

Assuming equal gear, that is.

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RNG Crits hurts PLD more than WAR due to HP pool and reactive heals if i had to waste a GCD on a bard or w/e for heals and PLD gets crit he goes poof before I can lustrate.. a war on his toes can heal him self up.

Tell your PLD and your WAR that Awareness exists.

We cleared turn 1 with 2 warrior tanks... Yay?

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Tell your PLD and your WAR that Awareness exists.

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not up all the time ..... nub

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Originally Posted by Solduios

RNG Crits hurts PLD more than WAR due to HP pool and reactive heals if i had to waste a GCD on a bard or w/e for heals and PLD gets crit he goes poof before I can lustrate.. a war on his toes can heal him self up.

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My healer is a boss, straight up. Rest of the haters, can hate. Warriors be fine son, warriors be fine.

2.1 will send us over the top.




Brace for impact!!!

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...nemesis587.jpg

Bard and Dragoon Rerolls incoming.

Sure, Warriors are fine.

Paladins are still better. :p

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Sure, Warriors are fine.

Paladins are still better. :p

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Eye of the beholderp my friend, eye of the beholderp.

Cleared 1-4 as war, its all dependent on your party makeup and how well you know the mechanics. I found that Sch Seems to be a bit more efficient at healing war, but its all preference. Turn 5 Was completed by a War MT past 50%, so no need to say war cant do it. Once 2.1 buff comes, war will be in a much better place and still tanking what it can now.

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Originally Posted by wonka11

Eye of the beholderp my friend, eye of the beholderp.

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Maybe which one is more fun is, but compare their cool downs, paladin is much better.

So you're bragging about tanking the first boss fight in coil - which at five stacks is admittedly impressive - but nobody worth listening to said you can't. I was with you up until you began to demonstrate an impressive degree of ignorance - despite your continued comments in this specific sub-forum - surrounding the WAR v. PLD debate and somehow think your anecdotal evidence undoes the entire founding principle of the game, Mathematics. Magically closing the gap between WAR and PLD. This isn't a question of subjectivity, but pure efficiency at their role.

Additionally, Warrior's deal with burst less well due to their inability to pop a 'good' proactive cool-down in the face of high-burst (IB doesn't help if you get gibbed; PLD cool-downs help you not get gibbed to begin with) and their worse indirect scaling with healing. They both have the same EHP (this is factual). IB tapers off once DTPS gets too high, before that IB is the best thing ever (yay)!

They aren't even close in progression raiding. The fact that it's possible with a WAR does not undo this. PLD's are already over the edge, the buffs will just make WAR's equal to PLD's in terms of being over the edge.

Beating the dead-horse here, the argument is beginning to look like this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0

And I know you respond well to moving pictures :>

0/10

Done arguing with yourself yet?

The point still stands, Warriors are strong enough without the buff. If they want to fix something, nerf the paladin. The changes to warrior are going to send it noticeably over the top when comparing the two and currently the difference between the two classes is not enough to warrant a massive overhaul to warriors like Y.P. Suggests.

Paladins right now are flawed and encourage sloppy play by poor players. Making the game worse by buffing warriors instead of toning down paladins just encourages this terrible trend.

Honestly, if we wanted a watered down and easy game, we'd all be playing World of Warcraft. If you think your approach is acceptable, maybe you should go back.

Oh, and last I checked, wasn't it Y.P. who said that the fight (Turn 1) wasn't intended for tanks to survive past 3 stacks and that Paladins could while Warriors couldn't? So I guess that would be somebody..

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Originally Posted by Solduios

not up all the time ..... nub

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If they're getting killed before 4 stacks and not using their cooldowns properly due to "RNG crits" either the healers suck or the tanks suck. If they're not holding onto some cooldowns for 4 stacks then they're bad tanks, especially Awareness which only should be used at the start and again at 4 stacks. It doesn't NEED to last long because after Awareness ends the PLD should be cycling cooldowns and the WAR should have Infuriate/ToB up for use until their respective snake is dead.

Also.

Hallowed Ground. Just... Hallowed Ground. On top of that, how bad are you that you can't tick regen/adloquium on the Bard for 2 seconds without the tanks magically dying to all these magical RNG crits? How bad are your tanks in the same regard? Is there 0 communication going on, do you not tell them "brb gotta make a sandwich and heal the DPS" before you go and do it? Unless they get crit after crit after crit after crit neither should be just magically dying. I love playing WAR and PLD is fun, but honestly there is no reason to think WAR either healing himself for 1.Xk after a crit is magically better than a PLD popping Sentinel/Hallowed Ground/Conv/Sent + Rampart/etc. Even if it did, that alleviates you of one problem the whole fight but there are many others that will come up for the WAR and not the PLD.

no ones currs

You just haven't caught on yet, have you?

Edit: Use of one liner appropriate for the situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

http://nowapproachingprovidence.file...s-ipad-app.png

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Originally Posted by ken00

your both Warriors, please dont fight.. go smack some Paladin or something..

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It is the way of Warrior to brawl!

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Originally Posted by RapBreon

So you're bragging about tanking the first boss fight in coil - which at five stacks is admittedly impressive - but nobody worth listening to said you can't. I was with you up until you began to demonstrate an impressive degree of ignorance... perpetuating amounts of exponentially useless configurations of the alphabet.

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So for context sakes, and by your own admonition, perhaps you should illuminate as what specifically you were "up with me" until my "impressive degree of ignorance". Grammatically, are you "up with me" in the aspect that I'm bragging about five stacks and you're saying that is impressive? Or were you "up with me" about my position that Warriors are fine and 2.1 is going to send us over the threshold and make us more competitive than Paladin tanks, or that Paladin tanks should be nerfed and warriors not buffed; because one of those qualifies as an argument.

Lets say you're not with the later, but the former. Yet, if this is the case, how would any sort of misguided information or logical fallacy that I may commit somehow deter you from thinking that the idea of a Warrior tanking 5 stacks is now somehow unimpressive? I mean, if I am being charitable I have to assume you wouldn't propose a change of position based on this particular subject because of a lack of logic. It is clear that whatever my position may be, as invalid as it may be, in the correct context tanking T1 with 5 stacks as a warrior is still to you 'impressive'. Only a bumbling, temperamental, dunce would make such an emotional shift in position between two variables which are not related in this example.

I must then, logically, irrevocably assume your comment is then directed toward my assertion that Warriors are fine as they are, and 2.1 will draw the unwashed masses of skilless dps complex bard and horrible dragoons to the class. There really is no other interpretation for your comment within the context of the presupposed statements; unless of course neither is the issue and you're just spamming the entire thread with nonsense so inane and inconsequential that one would be led to believe that you're living with assistance for your mental aptitude.

logically at this point we can assume only one of three outcomes:

A) You're letting your emotions cloud your sense of logic
B) You really are proposing ad-hominem in regards to sentence context
C) You're just posting useless rubbish out of content and displaying a lack of cognitive ability of which an 8th grader possesses.

Yet, do you know what the beauty, the inexplicable and exceptional detail as to which defines your whole interaction in context to what I am writing?

None of this has anything to do with the point I am trying to convey using you as the example. You haven't even the faintest idea as to what I am attempting to accomplish nor the hints I'm even giving you throughout this entire thread to illustrate the satire.

I'll point some out since you can't put it together and maybe another poster can deduct exactly what this puzzle's answer is (and let us be honest, you're here because you're killing time, you may as well try to figure it out):

Stick Man argument
Intentional use of one liners with a common trait shared by each
Use of Jpeg/Youtube in a specific manner
Reference to internet crusading
Reference to inane comments
Ad-Hominem

There is a 150,000 gil bet riding on this right now, and it looks like I'm going to win it.

Our warrior did it t1 and t2 with 3 pieces of AF armor. Not AF2 not AK...AF.
Get on his level. :>

But GJ! Lead the army of warriors and spread your wings show people warriors ARE USEFUL. Do ittttt!!! Unicorn powers awayyyyy.

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Originally Posted by wonka11

Eye of the beholderp my friend, eye of the beholderp.

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Originally Posted by wonka11

0/10

Done arguing with yourself yet?

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Originally Posted by wonka11

You just haven't caught on yet, have you?

Edit: Use of one liner appropriate for the situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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Mhm. Stay classy.

I should've known better than to reply to this. Randomly acts like a child, randomly switches over to pseudo-intellectual garbling (likely using some random internet rant generator). He's impossible. :p

I'm waiting to see people post actual facts/maths (instead of lolrngcrits) and him decrying it, stating that they're awful at mathematics. And then not provide a single example of why it's flawed. As usual. Sigh. Though I suppose this is what a troll does.

Also, I'll be charitable. Yoshi-P stated that why Paladins aren't getting nerfed currently is because people are relying on the strategy of using cooldowns to survive past 3 stacks. Thus why Warriors are likely getting some sort of bandaid fix to make Coil more enjoyable for 'em (and to not force people to relearn the encounter).

From Reinhart's translation of the latest Letter from the Producer Live:

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y; Alright starting with Warrior, people are saying Warriors are weak but I wanted to talk about that one
y; First when saying weak, people are comparing to Paladins. The main part of this comes from
y; Bahamut’s Coil, the first and fourth turn monster.
y; This is something we didn’t predict and it is our miss, the boss monster buffs and once this boss monster stacks 3 buffs and when it does that the Tank isn’t supposed to be able to withstand the attacks and it’s designed so you can’t clear that way.
y; However Paladin was able to withstand those attacks and we weren’t predicting that.
y; We designed it where it required to take off those buffs, or take down all the mobs where the DPS and tanks are balanced out to clear but Paladin was able to pass that.
y; When we discussed on what to do in regards this one, instead of making the contents harder, since people already have rewards and strategies down, it won’t be fair

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I find it hilarious that people are saying Paladin takes more spike damage than WAR in T1 when we have over 6 cooldowns that we can rotate.

Honest question: how long did you tank it at 5 stacks for?

Anything is possible with a good group that knows what to do. Ours have 4 viruses, 4 eye for an eye, a bard that can debuff, we rotate it well that the boss or target can be debuffed through the entirety of the fight.

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Originally Posted by Lucavern

Honest question: how long did you tank it at 5 stacks for?

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Well we decided not to feed slime's and burn snakes down does that answer your question?

His was the last one to die.

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Originally Posted by Solduios

Well we decided not to feed slime's and burn snakes down does that answer your question?

His was the last one to die.

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So not long then. That's what I figured.

Our first kill was with my add at 7 stacks. I died at 7, but survived 5 and 6 stacks as a WAR.

/shrug

EDIT: I had +1 relic, full darklight armour, and full crafted gryphonskin with Parry and Vit melds. I was being healed by a WHM with +1 relic and full darklight everything else.

5 stacks on a joined snake is somewhat impressive but, 5 stacks on a split snake is not a big deal. The stacks on the split are far less then the joined.

Clearing turn 1 as a Warrior myself, I don't have the heart to brag about clearing it because I have enough awareness to realize that I barely had room to outplay the boss mechanics and it was almost entirely the healer's fight.

Damage is halved when split. 5 stacks on add is less than 3 stacks when joined. Working as intended. Not saying it's easy to heal through, as others have said.