SUGGESTION NEW TANK CLASS/JOB ( EVOKER ------> HIGH SUMMONER ) <(o O)>

Hi, i was just thinking on how SE can add a Traditional Final Fantasy Summoner while keeping the current one. I came up with "High Summoner" FFX. Yes this would be a different variation of Summoner, similar to how we have White Mage to Black Mage, and Dark Knight to Dragon Knight ETC. Sooo Summoner to High Summoner.

The Starting class would be Evoker.

http://i.imgur.com/YiU02yt.jpg?1

I see Evokers Summoning Elementals to fight in battle.

The Job would be High Summoner.

http://i.imgur.com/4fLdxiC.jpg?1

I see high Summoners using Espers as their main form of attack and defense. (or something entirely new)

The Espers would Replace the Elementals when obtaining them.

http://i.imgur.com/cgvGYLR.jpg?2

Size of Espers.

http://i.imgur.com/Zrdl8oc.jpg?1

Gameplay

All dps is done through the Espers, while the High Summoner has a few buffs for the esper.

The High Summoner can Slowly store energy from the astral plan. They can use this energy to heal, or buff the espers, and even transfer the energy to allow the espers to perform its signature attack.

When an Esper is not Summoned it slowly regenerates HP in the astral plane. If the Esper dies, you have to wait for it to fully recover before Summoning it again.

There will be no ability AI for the Espers. Every ability will be micromanaged by the High Summoner while auto attack is going. The command "Sic" will act like a Gambit System for low tier skills so You can set what skills the esper will do or not do while activating the skills you dont want it to do manually.

The pets hold 80% of the abilities learned on the class/job, and the other 20% involve the Esper.

This would be Class/Job that queues as a Tank(This can be possible since we are micromanaging the pets every attack) , but of course there will be pets that are DD, Melee, and Caster etc. Similar to how Summoner is a Dps but also has Titan.

So what do you guys think? What pet focused job would you all want? Please "LIKE" and comment if you would want to see a pet focused job in the Future.

P.s. Of course Blue Mage, Thief,Red Mage, and Dark Knight should be implemented first.

Just an idea of a pet focused class/job, it doesnt really have to be called High Summoner. It could even be Puppetmaster or Machinist and have all mechanical Eidolons like XIII. just an idea thread..

http://i.imgur.com/Hky6J6N.jpg?3 http://i.imgur.com/Q1St3XI.jpg?1

Hmm, i can see you've given this a lot of thought. I didn't play 1.0 so i couldn't give you feedback, however i did enjoy the pretty pictures ^^

Only problem is..

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Zodiark is the God of the Ascians/Paragons. So.... Dunno. Lahabrea mentions it and a whole lot of Paragons start chanting his name during the ending cinematic.

Also I don't see why we'd get another pet class that's similar in play style to ACN/SMN/SCH yet it'd be a fresh class/job. Thats one reason I don't see this idea working well.

I like how the High Summoner gets all these cool looking Espers while Summoners are stuck with the burning chicken and mcnuggets.

I think Summoners should get Espers. Level cap is still 50 so we might get Espers for Summoner at higher levels.

No thank you, don't need even more screen clutter to appease your desire for screen time.

Prior to FFX all summons were just a sprite graphic doing a slightly stronger effect to account for higher MP cost instead of a spell graphic. There already is a Summoner job in the game, just because you don't like doesn't mean that it doesn't fill the roll. I don't like that Tanaka made Dark Knights a generic 2H class, but don't see me creating new threads instead of adding to existing ones about wanting DRK to be a Sword & Board job.

I don't mind the size of the egi but I wish they'd just walk instead of float.

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No thank you, don't need even more screen clutter to appease your desire for screen time.

Prior to FFX all summons were just a sprite graphic doing a slightly stronger effect to account for higher MP cost instead of a spell graphic. There already is a Summoner job in the game, just because you don't like doesn't mean that it doesn't fill the roll. I don't like that Tanaka made Dark Knights a generic 2H class, but don't see me creating new threads instead of adding to existing ones about wanting DRK to be a Sword & Board job.

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Oh geeze, what a hater. What is the point of feedback if you're just supposed to lay down and accept whatever SE dishes out at the end of the day?

I don't see the suggestion being reasonable with as 'great' as treatment as SMN has gotten, but I think the concept is cool nonetheless. I want more pet jobs that pets play a more comparable % of dmg in relation the player, regardless.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

Oh geeze, what a hater. What is the point of feedback if you're just supposed to lay down and accept whatever SE dishes out at the end of the day?

I don't see the suggestion being reasonable with as 'great' as treatment as SMN has gotten, but I think the concept is cool nonetheless. I want more pet jobs that pets play a more comparable % of dmg in relation the player, regardless.

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While I agree that there needs to be more pet classes/jobs; This is really just another Arcanist/Summoner/Scholar.

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Originally Posted by Deusteele

No thank you, don't need even more screen clutter to appease your desire for screen time.

Prior to FFX all summons were just a sprite graphic doing a slightly stronger effect to account for higher MP cost instead of a spell graphic. There already is a Summoner job in the game, just because you don't like doesn't mean that it doesn't fill the roll. I don't like that Tanaka made Dark Knights a generic 2H class, but don't see me creating new threads instead of adding to existing ones about wanting DRK to be a Sword & Board job.

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LOL Screen Clutter? The High Summoner will be way in the background while the Esper would be in the place of a Tank. The espers are about the size of a large roegadyne, so i dont understand your screen clutter logic.

FFXI Dark Knights weapon were Scythes, 2 hand swords belong to Rune Fencer.

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Originally Posted by Ravij

While I agree that there needs to be more pet classes/jobs; This is really just another Arcanist/Summoner/Scholar.

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i dont see it that way. The mechanics are different and the only similarity is the actual pet commands. Different attacks, different pets, different rotations, different everything.

Arcanist/Summoner is Dot Focused While Evoker /High Summoner is Pet Focused.

Its basically like Comparing Monk and Dragoon, its Similar but yet so different.

But what do you think this needs to be even more different?

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Originally Posted by Engineer

LOL Screen Clutter? The High Summoner will be way in the background while the Esper would be in the place of a Tank. The espers are about the size of a large roegadyne, so i dont understand your screen clutter logic.

FFXI Dark Knights weapon were Scythes, 2 hand swords belong to Rune Fencer.

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He means screen clutter in a way that he means how there are always summons out when theres a Summoner, Arcanist, or Scholar nearby. One of the reasons the dev's sized down the summons for this game was due to clutter issues.
Also in XI; weapon was not restricted to class. Dark Knights could use scythes and greatswords. It was greatly dependent on their set ups, but they could use both.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

i dont see it that way. The mechanics are different and the only similarity is the actual pet commands. Different attacks, different pets, different rotations, different everything.

Arcanist/Summoner is Dot Focused While Evoker /High Summoner is Pet Focused.

Its basically like Comparing Monk and Dragoon, its Similar but yet so different.

But what do you think this needs to be even more different?

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Then answer me this.. why does it have to have summoner in the name? or an Evoker? WHY does it have to summon monsters to do things for them? It seems like you fancy pet classes but throwing another summoning class out there isn't the way to do it. And making them a tank specific type of class/job when they summoner pets of all different varieties goes against current duty finder standards. You can't have a Summoner que as a healer; And Scholars can't que as DPS.

Making it to where the summoner controls the summons moves won't help in this situation as much as you think it would. XI Summoners could control their summons more so than XIV summoners. But they were still just a DPS/Buff/Healer pet class.

Edit: I also fail to see how the mechanics are different.

Well anyways, keep the ideas streaming forth, nothing wrong with trying :)

There's no espers in this game - summons are called Primals and the lore of the game has it that not only are they the gods of the beastmen, it takes an enormous amount of aether to summon - the beastmen requires a whole team of summoners to summon a Primal.

This is why SMN got the mini-summons, it's not only a gameplay concession (to prevent server instability with five hundred SMNs all with their summons out on screen at once), it's a lore-based one as well - you're only summoning the essence of a Primal.

Be thankful you have SMN in the game in the first place - Yoshi wasn't even going to have the job at all originally, (there was only going to be Free Company summoning in FATEs) and only introduced it due to the constant demands of players.

But of course, everyone wants to do their best FFX/XII impersonations by having a huge summon out that does virtually nothing but clutter up the screen half the time, which is exactly why it is not possible in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by ValorousVixen

I love your ideas and drawings!

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The OP didn't draw anything. The staves and the image of Braska are from X, the elemental sprites are from XI, the espers are from XII, and the last image is just Adrammelech (XII) and some XIV concept art.

Oh thanks for the clarification.

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Originally Posted by Ravij

He means screen clutter in a way that he means how there are always summons out when theres a Summoner, Arcanist, or Scholar nearby. One of the reasons the dev's sized down the summons for this game was due to clutter issues.

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Yeah but Pet classes can have bonuses for keeping the pet un-summoned.. There can be a trait that when the Pet is Un-summoned for x amount of time it receives a buff next time its summoned for a duration.

Also there should be an option that you can toggle pets ON/OFF in city states and Sanctuaries.

Size down is the wrong way of doing things, if there are other ways.

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Also in XI; weapon was not restricted to class. Dark Knights could use scythes and greatswords. It was greatly dependent on their set ups, but they could use both.

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Yes but in truth all jobs had main weapons as well as sub weapons. You can tell their main weapon by the mythical weapon they got.

So yes Dark Knight = Scythe, While Rune Fencer = Great Sword.

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Then answer me this.. why does it have to have summoner in the name? or an Evoker?

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Why Not? The current Summoner we have is a different kind of Summoner, Similar to how Dark Knight is a different kind of Knight.

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WHY does it have to summon monsters to do things for them?

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Its a pet class, and pet classes should come in different playstyles,,,, Some DOW, and Some DOM.

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It seems like you fancy pet classes but throwing another summoning class out there isn't the way to do it.

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I dont see why not, the game needs more mages.

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And making them a tank specific type of class/job when they summoner pets of all different varieties goes against current duty finder standards. You can't have a Summoner que as a healer; And Scholars can't que as DPS.

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Summoner is a DPS, but can very well Tank with Titan in a Party. Ive cleared AK with me being a Tank with Titan, a BRD and a WHM while The 4th player was an afk tank.

My point is High Summoner would be geared toward Tanking, but still having Sub duties like other classes that come in the form of other pets (DPS, Caster etc.).

SCH cant Queue as a DPS but can very well play one with Cleric Stance.

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Making it to where the summoner controls the summons moves won't help in this situation as much as you think it would. XI Summoners could control their summons more so than XIV summoners. But they were still just a DPS/Buff/Healer pet class.

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Yeah but if in a queue the job is set to tank, so i would need to summon a tank pet. If i queue with a pre made group, i can use a Dps pet if a tank isnt needed.

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Edit: I also fail to see how the mechanics are different.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

All dps is done through the Espers, while the High Summoner has a few buffs for the esper.

The High Summoner can Slowly store energy from the astral plan. They can use this energy to heal, or buff the espers, and even transfer the energy to allow the espers to perform its signature attack.

When an Esper is not Summoned it slowly regenerates HP in the astral plane. If the Esper dies, you have to wait for it to fully recover before Summoning it again.

There will be no ability AI for the Espers. Every ability will be micromanaged by the High Summoner while auto attack is going. The command "Sic" will act like a Gambit System for low tier skills so You can set what skills the esper will do or not do while activating the skills you dont want it to do manually.

The pets hold 80% of the abilities learned on the class/job, and the other 20% involve the Esper.

This would be Class/Job that queues as a Tank(This can be possible since we are micromanaging the pets every attack) , but of course there will be pets that are DD, Melee, and Caster etc. Similar to how Summoner is a Dps but also has Titan.

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Its 100% reliant on the pet, which to me is different enough. Plus, you would need to care if the pet dies or not or else dead.

I mean i left it Vague enough to allow the creative thinking...

Just make them like Vincent, transform into a beast and go ham. No clutter and you get your cute monsters.

Why would anyone in their right mind play a Summoner if they can play High Summoner?

Why not also have "High Paladin?" It would be just like a tank in a DF group that decides, right before engaging a primal, or in the middle of a dungeon, that they need to "pack a bowl" and insists that everyone else should be getting high too, right before they wipe the party.\
Alternatively, instead of AFKing, the "High Paladin" lvl 50 ability could just comment the entire time about how marijuana is panacea and why everyone should be consuming it all of the time. This ability would also trigger an auto loss at 5% of any boss, just like the DF drug abusers.

Sorry, but when i read High Summoner, all i could think of was the inane pothead speeches i see in DF and the dissatisfaction some feel when their summon does not take up the entire screen. it looks like you put a lot of effort into this, but it still does not make it a good idea. keep trying though, that effort will pay off when you have a viable idea!

The name is a problem. I dont know how i would feel if they added high dragoon. The name inherently suggests superiority.

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Originally Posted by Huginn

Sorry, but when i read High Summoner, all i could think of was the inane pothead speeches i see in DF and the dissatisfaction some feel when their summon does not take up the entire screen. it looks like you put a lot of effort into this, but it still does not make it a good idea. keep trying though, that effort will pay off when you have a viable idea!

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You do know the developer said: They wanted the summon size to be larger, however they ran into a coding issue so they are much smaller than planned.

tl;dr The egi's are the size that they are due to the developers not knowing how to code properly (according to the developers)

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Why would anyone in their right mind play a Summoner if they can play High Summoner?

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i have the feeling that dot & run will be fun in PvP :)

We already have 2 different role Magic pet jobs. Game needs something it doesn't have (Thief/Stealth) or some of the other popular jobs from the series.

After more demanding/popular jobs are introduced from the series and a melee job /w pet. I can maybe see another magic pet class/job years ahead.

Personally, I'd prefer that the current SMN job be renamed to 'Evoker'. I understand what the devs were going for with the job, but it is a sorry excuse for what a FF summoner should be.


And your concept for "High Summoner" could be used for a new "Summoner" job.

On the Zodiac espers, I've always been a huge fan of them, even more than our classic FF summons. But according to in-game lore, they are MORE powerful than the Primals (see current SMN storyline). If SMN can't have Primals, then the Zodaic Espers are far out of reach.


Instead, SMN should draw from the vast pool of other FF summons

Our best options include:

• ASTRAL: King Mog XII, Valefor
• ICE: Phantom, Mist Dragon
• WIND: Typhon, Pandamonium
• WATER: Bismarck, Siren
• EARTH: Midgardsormr, Golem
• THUNDER: Quezacotl, Ixion
• FIRE: Cerberus, Salamander
• UMBRAL: Catoblepas, Fenrir

Still, good job OP. I highly approve of any attempt to fix the travesty that is the current FFXIV SMN job.

Totally like the idea. Mainly Evoker, DoM class that is a tank. Not so much the High Summoner part.

I don't like that part because I think it's unlikely SE will bring in another summoner job that is a lot like the current Summoner job. Being a healer, I also have a problem with this class healing their summons. At least, that is what I see as being the main goal of the person for this job. Doesn't it take away a bit from the Healer role?

My suggestion would be Evoker, Job from the Thaumaturge class. They use stored magical energy to buff their defenses. They would primarily be a multi target tank. I do see them conjuring up a spirit of some sort, that will be placed in an area for buffs/hate. But it wouldn't have the range or complexity of a summon. They could use the aether planes to phase out, which would be their defensive spells.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

There's no espers in this game - summons are called Primals

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There are also no Dark Knights, Red Mages, and any other thing that will be added in the future.

Summons are not only primals, but chocobos, Familiars , and EGI. The term Summon just means to call on something.

Espers are not in the game, but your acting like new content cant be added because its not in the game now.

And no, Primals are not the only form of summoning.

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and the lore of the game has it that not only are they the gods of the beastmen, it takes an enormous amount of aether to summon - the beastmen requires a whole team of summoners to summon a Primal.

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No one is asking to Summon Primals, This Esper idea isnt Primals and have nothing to do with primals.

Carbuncle is a familiar, so this proves that we can summon other things, and not just primals or primal essences.

I see Espers as Beings from another dimension.. and not Primals.

Your acting as if lore is never added when new jobs or areas get implemented.

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This is why SMN got the mini-summons, it's not only a gameplay concession (to prevent server instability with five hundred SMNs all with their summons out on screen at once), it's a lore-based one as well - you're only summoning the essence of a Primal.

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Sure thats why they let everyone summon chocobos, minions, and soon to be path companions.

Thanks for explaining the Lore behind the summoner job lol. I didnt think i knew that, thanks.

Can you guys give the we cant summons primals talk a rest, no one wants that.

Just make SE rework the current SMN. Let BST handle the serious pet tanking

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Originally Posted by Engineer

The OP

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I appriciate the amount of thought you put into this, but this thread is basically a "I don't like the way summoner was implemented" thread. The egi being made the way they were was a design decision and the last thing I'd ever see them doing is adding a second summoner job just to give us bigger pets.

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This Esper idea isnt Primals and have nothing to do with primals.
Can you guys give the we cant summons primals talk a rest, no one wants that.

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You're just beating around / reconning / bending the lore. You and I both know you're simply using this as a mask to cover what you really want: Summoner to have bigger pets with more abilities. You do want to summon the primals / clones of them ala FFXI, that's why you invented this class/job in the first place. You're just calling it something else.

Adding another class called "evoker" makes little sense because of the AF for summoner already being called 'Evoker's <Item>".

I'd like the summons to be "cooler" just as much as you do; but adding a new job to do it is not the way to execute this.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

We already have 2 different role Magic pet jobs. Game needs something it doesn't have (Thief/Stealth) or some of the other popular jobs from the series.

After more demanding/popular jobs are introduced from the series and a melee job /w pet. I can maybe see another magic pet class/job years ahead.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

P.s. Of course Blue Mage, Thief,Red Mage, and Dark Knight should be implemented first.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Personally, I'd prefer that the current SMN job be renamed to 'Evoker'. I understand what the devs were going for with the job, but it is a sorry excuse for what a FF summoner should be.


And your concept for "High Summoner" could be used for a new "Summoner" job.

On the Zodiac espers, I've always been a huge fan of them, even more than our classic FF summons. But according to in-game lore, they are MORE powerful than the Primals (see current SMN storyline). If SMN can't have Primals, then the Zodaic Espers are far out of reach.


Instead, SMN should draw from the vast pool of other FF summons

Our best options include:

• ASTRAL: King Mog XII, Valefor
• ICE: Phantom, Mist Dragon
• WIND: Typhon, Pandamonium
• WATER: Bismarck, Siren
• EARTH: Midgardsormr, Golem
• THUNDER: Quezacotl, Ixion
• FIRE: Cerberus, Salamander
• UMBRAL: Catoblepas, Fenrir

Still, good job OP. I highly approve of any attempt to fix the travesty that is the current FFXIV SMN job.

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This would work. The Devs can make this possible.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

Just make SE rework the current SMN. Let BST handle the serious pet tanking

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I want that, but as of now i think the first time ff players wouldnt want a rework since they have gotten used to the current summoner.

I cant wait to see how beast is like.. I hope its not like the current summoner.

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Originally Posted by Alavastre

Totally like the idea. Mainly Evoker, DoM class that is a tank. Not so much the High Summoner part.

I don't like that part because I think it's unlikely SE will bring in another summoner job that is a lot like the current Summoner job.

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It is unlikely, but we know more pet classes need to show up in the future.. it might not be summoner per say, but it can hold the gameplay of a pet focused summoner..

What if there were some kind of Mechanical summoner (Puppetmaster, or Machinist) that uses pets similar to the mechanical summons from FFXIII? would be kool.

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Originally Posted by Alavastre

Being a healer, I also have a problem with this class healing their summons. At least, that is what I see as being the main goal of the person for this job. Doesn't it take away a bit from the Healer role?

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yeah i didnt really detail the healing process. I was thinking that the job had limited stored energy, and can use it to give a regen effect. something minimal. The stored energy can be used to give it buffs or use it to attack, so the healing would be the last thing on the list.

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Originally Posted by Alavastre

My suggestion would be Evoker, Job from the Thaumaturge class. They use stored magical energy to buff their defenses. They would primarily be a multi target tank. I do see them conjuring up a spirit of some sort, that will be placed in an area for buffs/hate. But it wouldn't have the range or complexity of a summon. They could use the aether planes to phase out, which would be their defensive spells.

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This seems really kool, but i do have concern that it will end up like the current summoner since it comes off of THM.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Why would anyone in their right mind play a Summoner if they can play High Summoner?

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lol different playstyles..

its like saying why would someone play Knight, when you can play Dark Knight.

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Originally Posted by NeonC

Just make them like Vincent, transform into a beast and go ham. No clutter and you get your cute monsters.

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a Morpher Job would be awesome, and no no i dont want cute lol.

I think you are too optimistic about your "improvement" that you miss how much of a downgrade it would probably be.

Current summons have AI and perform the menial tasks for attack, attack, attack, on their own. Seemingly you think that for some reason pressing 3, 3, 3, 3, on your keyboard would be an improvement because you can claim "I did that pet attack!". When in reality it is an amazingly good boost to the class that it is performed by the AI so that you can do something else. And yea, the reason SMN is not tossing meteors every second and being cool, is that for balance reasons it seems more fair to land DoTs to assist your pet.

Sure the class has serious design flaws like debuff caps on enemies, or complete lack of anything to really focus kill things fast, but the basic design is just fine. (I just wish we got minion sized duplicates of the primes, instead of elemental versions)

nroken in idea, and simply not needed, as summnor you can use a titan iggy and that is as much as you're going to get.

But.... wouldn't that make Sumonner class pretty stupid then?

We have a Summoner in the game already.

If they were going to add more classes they would sure as hell skip this.

/sigh i guess this game isnt for me... The community doesnt want/like true pet classes, and it seems the devs feel the same way..

Also this community is a bit Toxic, it might be the WoW players. We cant even talk about stuff without being Toxic.

Peace out Guys, have fun. :)

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Originally Posted by Engineer

/sigh i guess this game isnt for me... The community doesnt want/like true pet classes, and it seems the devs feel the same way..

Also this community is a bit Toxic, it might be the WoW players. We cant even talk about stuff without being Toxic.

Peace out Guys, have fun. :)

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I'm not seeing any toxic behavior (or even obvious wow players) in this thread. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they're being toxic. I don't see anyone being especially hostile or inappropriate.

Also, every player's definition of "true pet class" is different. Mine is simple: A class with a pet which can be controlled by the player. The summoner in its current incarnation meets this criteria (e.g. the dragoon in XI doesn't really meet this criteria because it mostly acts on its own and for a long time had no direct commands at all other than to dismiss).

I understand what you want, but adding another job and also calling it summoner when another job by that name already exists is not the way to do this. It seems to me what you (and most people, honestly) really want is for the pets to look cooler and have more abilities of their own. That's fine, but you'd be better off suggesting that than inventing a new job that's the same as the old job except different. I think if you ask anyone here they'd rather the summons look more like the primals they're based on; beyond that is where opinions will begin to differ.

I think they designed the job this way so that having the pet die wouldn't be as devistating as the death of pets in XI to the player's performance, and to allow them to create threatening encounters that the job could still be a part of. It was difficult to use pet jobs in a lot of endgame content in XI because of how easily they died.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

/sigh i guess this game isnt for me... The community doesnt want/like true pet classes, and it seems the devs feel the same way..

Also this community is a bit Toxic, it might be the WoW players. We cant even talk about stuff without being Toxic.

Peace out Guys, have fun. :)

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As Alhanelem (You have no idea how long it took me to spell that right) said; the community isn't "toxic" It's just that you can't take criticism very well. It's also obvious that you're a one track minded person by the way you capitalize toxic twice.

Through out this thread it's been nothing but you wanting this job exactly as you described it. You didn't seem to be open to suggestions or changes to the typical idea and since people have been disagreeing with you or wanting the idea to be different than how you described it to be; you've been the one to make it "toxic", in your own terms.

Let me give an example as to how you made your own thread toxic.
Let's take a pool filter; they need to be changed every once in a while otherwise your pool with get filthy and the algae will clog up the motors. In this case the pool filter is the idea and you are the person to change the filter. You like this pool filter so much that you think it's perfect and doesn't require changing at all. Well.. over the next few weeks of checking on it you notice it start to green up a bit. But still you have so much faith in that filter that no problem could possibly go wrong. Your friends come over and are suggesting you change the filter because "Hey.. your pools green." You ignore their advice and continue to place faith in that pool filter. Well.. all the sudden your motors start clogging and you're forced to shut them down because they've become utterly destroyed. Next thing you know you're emptying your pool water and throwing in dirt to make the once glorious and fun swimming pool into a garden.

The lesson is that if you aren't open and accepting to changes to your ideas; your ideas will ultimately fail.

Lol , I should have specified. I wasn't talking about this thread. I meant the community as a whole.

Ravj & Alhanelem I can take criticism, I'm just tired of people placing me in a certain category, assuming I want what that category wants, and putting words in my mouth. How can one speak in these conditions..

But yeah I shouldnt of had posted that because it took the focus away from...

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Originally Posted by Engineer

/sigh i guess this game isnt for me... The community doesnt want/like true pet classes, and it seems the devs feel the same way..
Peace out Guys, have fun. :)

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Originally Posted by Engineer

the post above

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Well, I would disagree with your statement "the community doesn't want true pet classes" - Nobody said that. All I said was that adding another job to the game rather than making improvements to what we already have is not the way to go. As other people said, who would play "summoner" if there was both "summoner" and "high summoner" in the game? One sounds straight up better than the other without even looking at what they do (the latter sounds like some kind of upgrade to the former). We're "putting you in a category" because from the feelings you've expressed, you sound like part of that category. We could all be grossly misunderstanding you.

I'm not sure why you feel "this game just isn't for you" purely because the Summoner they created doesn't fit your vision of it (And I'm not saying that vision is bad, either, it's not). I'd really encourage you to not treat yourself as defeated and try to explain how you're not in the category we think you're in and explain why they shouldn't just polish up summoner instead of invent a new summoner entirely.

Honestly I would love it if the summons retained (more or less) the original appearance of the primal they are based on, but that's my only real gripe with the job as it is now. If you're using the pets properly, they are just as important to your job as they were in XI. The difference from XI being that the pets scale with your stats and summoner is actually wanted in this game.

I don't feel I've been putting words in your mouth. I'm only telling you the impression I get from your posts- if that impression doesn't reflect how you feel, maybe you could clarify your view a bit?

tl;dr

OP has given up on fixing current smn job and has opted to beg for a completely "new" job is what he wanted smn to be.