DL gear

So nobody wants to do runs unless u have DL gear but have to do the runs to get DL gear so what can i do to get DL gear spam lvl 45 runs?

you ruin your first post for THIS !?

Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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Originally Posted by bonarota

So nobody wants to do runs unless u have DL gear but have to do the runs to get DL gear so what can i do to get DL gear spam lvl 45 runs?

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The DF is your friend, it's like a tool in your toolbox, it's there, so just use it. Just watch a vid on YouTube about WP and AK, and don't tell anyone it's your first time. Also make sure you have a decent won, say from Ifirit or Garuda. Good luck.

Buy the GC ilvl55 weapon and do either CM or WP. Both are acceptable in AF and 40~ 50 accessories.

Knowing your class is more important than having DL in 'early endgame' anyways. I've met individuals in AF doing better dps than some people in DL.

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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WP and AK doesn't need DL. I started farming AK and WP once I hit 50 with my FC who just hit 50 as well. You need to be decently geared with around level 45+ gear and know how to play your job.

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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I love how the elitism in MMOs now has reached a point where it's deemed you "need" gear 10 to 15 ilvls above the dungeon you want to do. WP is not only possibly in artifact, is in entirely 100% intended to be done in AF gear with a white 50 weapon. AK as well is completely clearable in AF plus some ilvl55 greens. This game is going to reach a point in a few months where unless you already have a relic you won't get one due to no one taking you to even do the quest objectives, and unless you have a +1 and full allagan/AF 1.5 you can forget any premades for anything. Absurd.

yeah thats what i thought i do use DF but once i get in people leave as soon we start i dont have the worst gear 3 peices of tuxo gear cause FC took me through once cause people kept leaving and i have once peice of DL gear and lvl 55 bow

Unfortunately, people consider doing runs in WP and AK to be more of a job rather than enjoyment. That's pretty much the only reason why so many want party members with DL, since it takes a lot less time with fully geared dps classes.

Unless there are people that truly believe WP and AK are too hard without DL. That'd be quite silly :p

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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I gave up trying to run CM for tokens. Out of 3 attempts, the tanks bailed at the start of 2 runs because he felt we were "undergearred" due to a lack of DL and/or relics.

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Originally Posted by Trovyria

I love how the elitism in MMOs now has reached a point where it's deemed you "need" gear 10 to 15 ilvls above the dungeon you want to do. WP is not only possibly in artifact, is in entirely 100% intended to be done in AF gear with a white 50 weapon. AK as well is completely clearable in AF plus some ilvl55 greens. This game is going to reach a point in a few months where unless you already have a relic you won't get one due to no one taking you to even do the quest objectives, and unless you have a +1 and full allagan/AF 1.5 you can forget any premades for anything. Absurd.

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Hmm...when did I say it is not possible? You need to read what I said, I said it is possible, but it just not quite as efficient if everyone is in Artifact doing WP and AK.

Way a put word in my mouth and call me an Elitism. I never speed run anything and oppose of speed run. I guess everything is Elitism this day.


Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

I gave up trying to run CM for tokens. Out of 3 attempts, the tanks bailed at the start of 2 runs because he felt we were "undergearred" due to a lack of DL and/or relics.

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I didn't think there was such a thing as "undergeared" for CM. That is pretty sad. Ran it last night with two brand new tanks in full AF. Took a slight bit longer from having to explain strat but we made it through. It is just sad that people would bail on CM for such a thing, AK maybe (I wouldn't, but I can understand), but CM come on people.

Yes so I went around doing ifrit and Titan without Dl gear I don't care anymore can't do anything unless u wait 3 hours on lower runs I know piss poor attitude

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Hmm...when did I say it is not possible? You need to read what I said, I said it is possible, but it just not quite as efficient if everyone is in Artifact doing WP and AK.

Way a put word in my mouth and call me an Elitism. I never speed run anything and oppose of speed run. I guess everything is Elitism this day.


Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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If it's possible to do them without darklight, then darklight is not needed. You're contradicting yourself.

Of course it's not as efficient without darklight. No leveling/gear up dungeons are. I can run totorak in darklight or in level 15 gear, darklight is not needed. Darklight will be more efficient though.

OP won't be getting into a SR without it but that's not her complaint. Her complaint is that the weirdos in DF CM are griping. They either want a super fast run and are too undergeared or bad to make one on their server (hypocrites), or they want to be carried.

I haven't had anyone drop due to party members in random CMs wearing whatever gear. Heck I see people wearing crafting gear, gear with stats that make no sense (healers in parry accessories, probably SBing), etc. and we still had no issues. If a DPS can get on a cannon, that's all that really matters in CM ♥

Many FFXIV tanks are scaredy-cats and for whatever reason don't want to tank something challenging.

If they leave a dungeon because a party member doesn't have all endgame gear and relic, they fail as tank, because they obviously are too weak to survive the additional 30 seconds the boss fight takes. Nobody using dungeon finder should complain about other players gear if it's not far below the character level.
And the starter lvl50 dungeons can all be done with AF gear and suitable jewelry and weapon.

If you want speed runs, go with your FC and don't waste the time of players who want to advance.

Btw, this is not only a matter of lvl50 dungeons. I've been in a number of groups around lvl30 which had to abandon a dungeon because the drama queen tank left and none would join.

I think this thread is a symptom of duty finder. People only thinking of themselves on both parts. Let me try to explain.

Instances are designed for groups of players. Duty Finder was designed because there were people who wanted to do group combat because it was profitable,but they didn't want to belong to a group. This is true of the people needing the darklight gear for the run a well as the new 50s who want to group in their fresh 50 gear.

The new 50s want to be break into all the new and exciting content at 50 and explore. The veteran DF people have been doing this for weeks at least, the same content over and over. They have run all of the instances about 20 times. They jsut want ot get in and out and get their Tombs so they can get the prized DL gear. Then you have these same people learn about "A Relic Reborn" and they figure they can DF their way though that as well, but you can't, Titan will smash your face if you aren't stopped by AK or Garuda. Then of course there's the non DF instances like chimera and hydra but I digress.

DF is a shortcut for people who don't want to be part of a team but want the rewards that a team can provide. These people are going to manage their adhoc teams in such a way that will be most profitable since this is the general goal of all of these people, myself included IF i decide to use DF. If you want to make friends, DF is probably not the place to go.

Maybe they should give a reward on stones for the group if a first time person completes it

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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i ran WP without DL and crappy rings and neck it was a breeze

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Originally Posted by bonarota

Maybe they should give a reward on stones for the group if a first time person completes it

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I like the idea.

No one think you need DL for ak/wp, you can do both naked with a weapon/jewels
some people just prefer to do it faster, and we make our own group to do it. We are allowed to have preferences when we make our own party in /sh

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Originally Posted by bonarota

Yes so I went around doing ifrit and Titan without Dl gear I don't care anymore can't do anything unless u wait 3 hours on lower runs I know piss poor attitude

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OP, I am gearing for titan HM now. I have beat Garuda and Hydra so Titan and Coil are all the challenging content that remains for me currently. There are more experienced players than me but this is what I recommend for gear requirements:

Castrum, Praetorium - AF gear and iLvL 44 weapon
Ifrit HM, Wanderer's Palace - AF gear and iLvL 55 weapon
Garuda HM, Ampadoor Keep - mix of DL/AK/AF gear and iLvL 55 weapon
Titan HM - mix of DL/AK gear and iLvL 70 weapon

I think most people will agree there's not much of a gear requirement for CM, Prae, Ifrit, and WP. You should farm these dungeons for better gear first then move on to the later content. However, jumping into Garuda or Titan because you don't want to wait anymore isn't smart IMO. For example, I have around 4700 HP (out of party) as a tank in Garuda so I am perfectly capable of off-tanking there, maybe even main tank but I am still learning the fight and usually get bad DF teams. If the group fails Garuda now, I am usually not the weakest link. Nonetheless, I have only beat 1 out of 15 Garuda HM attempts with DF players because they are under geared and don't know the fight. I have never been "elitist" or anything in my ARR journey up to this point. I have never left because players are under geared or new. However, I might be dropping out of Garuda if we wipe more than once now because of the most common problem: poorly geared DPS. Please continue trying to gear up in the entry level 50 content before you progress. It's sad that people aren't accepting you because you can't speed run as fast but you will experience even more frustration and cause more frustration if you queue for higher level content like Garuda and Titan.

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Originally Posted by MieyCyruuuus

No one think you need DL for ak/wp, you can do both naked with a weapon/jewels
some people just prefer to do it faster, and we make our own group to do it. We are allowed to have preferences when we make our own party in /sh

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Yup and ppl like you are the problem.

In chat, for hours, all I see are.. LF DPS WP/AK, RELIC NEEDED/ DL NEEDED

Not once have a I heard a group just saying LFM DPS.

All required lvl70-lvl90 equipment. Pretty damn sad thats the state the game turned into.

Join DF? So ppl have to wait in the horrendous queue ( dps ) ? To be be able to do it?
Do it with FC... so your FC is now your full time slave? THinking they'll run whatever you want, whenever you want it? Stupid thinking.

Elitists have taken over the game now, because in chat, you're now required to have relic and DL for ANYTHING.

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Originally Posted by Abyssion

you want, whenever you want it? Stupid thinking.

Elitists have taken over the game now, because in chat, you're now required to have relic and DL for ANYTHING.

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While I agree with you in theory, we have to understand that it is their prerogative to shout whatever they want. I finished off Titan yesterday and will have my relic and +1 soon. I probably will still just DF my groups (unless I am running it with FC) because I prefer to vary the jobs with which I run the dungeons and I like to level DoL and DoH while waiting for a group.

Yes the attitude is sad but hey until you start paying for someones subscription you have no right to tell them how to play.

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Originally Posted by Kyana

Nobody using dungeon finder should complain about other players gear if it's not far below the character level.

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It should be more about your gear quality being appropriate enough for the content. I queue up DF Titan and see people wearing AFs and ilevel 40~50 gears, they are pretty much setting themselves up to fail because you won't have enough survivability to last the P5 stomps. I'm actually glad SE will be implementing ilevel checks in certain DFs to settle this once and for all.

BTW you don't need any DL piece for CM/Prae/WP/AK, but you need to be a competent player and learn things quickly because the margin of error with lesser ilvl gear is smaller. Also have some decency and make sure you're wearing at least high level 40 gears on all slot. They are mostly under 5K on the market board and it will take time to replace them anyway.

WP drops ilevel 55 gear, and AK drops Ilvl 60. You don't need i70 gear to beat any of the place that was tuned to gear up people with i40~i55 gear. But bad players with moderate gear leave a bad impression for the other "under-geared" with their slow dps and wipes on Flan/Wall boss.

People asking for DL gear for WP/AK want to clear things faster, and there's nothing wrong with that. But people claiming you need some i70 to clear AK regardless of speed is taking the piss. Do you need i90 gear to start coil?

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Originally Posted by Abyssion

Yup and ppl like you are the problem.

In chat, for hours, all I see are.. LF DPS WP/AK, RELIC NEEDED/ DL NEEDED

Not once have a I heard a group just saying LFM DPS.

All required lvl70-lvl90 equipment. Pretty damn sad thats the state the game turned into.

Join DF? So ppl have to wait in the horrendous queue ( dps ) ? To be be able to do it?
Do it with FC... so your FC is now your full time slave? THinking they'll run whatever you want, whenever you want it? Stupid thinking.

Elitists have taken over the game now, because in chat, you're now required to have relic and DL for ANYTHING.

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Actually, not once have I required people to be in DL/Relic. I take plenty of friends(one with good attitudes) to runs, including Titan carries.
but you go ahead with that attitude of yours. I'm sure people will be thrilled to help you.

Aren't the more experienced people teach people how to do it or at least give pointers I know I am not perfect and I am a casual player been playing since beta took me some time to get to 50 cause But yes I do try to upgrade my gear but don't see the point sitting 3 hours to do one run on early runs and I think ak is really a early run cause I have done it it wasn't that hard just need pay attention

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Originally Posted by bonarota

Aren't the more experienced people teach people how to do it or at least give pointers I know I am not perfect and I am a casual player been playing since beta took me some time to get to 50 cause But yes I do try to upgrade my gear but don't see the point sitting 3 hours to do one run on early runs and I think ak is really a early run cause I have done it it wasn't that hard just need pay attention

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I am nice to under-geared fresh 50s as long as they know how to play their role competently, but I have no time for people who can't carry their weight and expect others to share the burden. They had like 10 dungeons pre-50 to figure out most of their rotation/priority and their poor play is just an obvious waste of my time.

I always give briefs on each bosses and share tips, but at the end of the day I expect them to learn it quickly (2~3 wipes) and they have their job/class/role fundamentals down. The cockblocks in WP and AK are due to skill issues more than gear.

While I don't require DL, I do greatly prefer it. Also if you not being a complete idiot helps me stick around. What I do check for is to make sure you have lvl 45+ jewelry and ideally at least GC weapon. Did have an under geared summoner end up in my party. She had bare minimum gear and a white weapon, and I feel she did more dps than some DL summoners.

As of 2.1, a system will be introduced where you will be able to state if you are looking for people to: clear the story, learn the fights, or speedrun. This way people will be able to run with other link-minded people. This should remove most of these problems, as well as the "i want to watch CS" ones. Obviously if people try to get into the "grownup" group with crap gear they will be yelled at, but at least it will be for a reason -- if they are still gearing and not have gear for speedrun, them trying to sneak in will be entirely their fault.

I had a tank in AK with full AF, white ilvl 46 sword I think it was, shield about the same. Not sure about accessories.

Went decent up until last boss, there healer grabbed hate because tank took too much damage. Us DPS had to hold back a lot. I checked to see how much damage we could do, and we would not have been able to kill it before all pillars where gone.
Well, we might have been able to do it eventually, but after 8th wipe and no improvement, me and the other DPS left.

There is no reason why someone who has dinged 50, hasn't gone to the market board to get most of the fairly cheap ilvl 55 items.

Yes that what I am wearing except for body cause looked like af body is better has better stats then the market board body have tuxo feet pants af body head hands lvl 55 weapon tuxo ring best best dex earring so not like I have complete crap gear

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

WP and AK doesn't need DL. I started farming AK and WP once I hit 50 with my FC who just hit 50 as well. You need to be decently geared with around level 45+ gear and know how to play your job.

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Agreed! You do not need DL to run these instances. Gear obviously helps, but not being decked out in awesome gear won't hold you back from completing these instances.

I started gearing up recently and basically did it solely with the DF. Perhaps being a healer helps, but I never got any grief for being undergeared. Then again I didn't completely ignore my gear (First WP run I did was with non HQ prerelic, AF, HQ 49 jewelry/belt), stated it was my first time, nobody had any problems. In the 20-25 WP runs I did over the weekend I only failed one run and only once someone left the party, which was me when our DPS were just completely undergeared. One was an ARCANIST, nuff said and the other was your fresh "weeh 50, time for dungeons nao" kind. That's just not gonna work and I'm not gonna try and pull someone through who hasn't even gotten their job yet.

I don't know whether it's because I'm a healer (then again, weren't tank the elitist bastards that quit parties? :P) or Europeans simply don't mind as much, but I barely had any trouble with the DF. As for people looking for full DL/Relic parties etc, who cares. They spend lots of time getting that gear and it's their right to find others with the same gear to run a dungeon they already did way too often twice as fast as with a DF party. As for DF elitism, I haven't encountered it yet to be honest.

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

I gave up trying to run CM for tokens. Out of 3 attempts, the tanks bailed at the start of 2 runs because he felt we were "undergearred" due to a lack of DL and/or relics.

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That's nuts, and haven't seen it myself. Lots of DL tanks purposely run it in bare crafted lvl49 armour for spirit bonding, and it's no problem at all. And relic weapon for a tank? Sure, it's nice, but as a non-dps job it is not all that critical (and certainly not for CM, for goodness sake). GC tanking weapon or even less is fine. Heck, I tanked for a while with that white weapon drop from WP.

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

That's nuts, and haven't seen it myself. Lots of DL tanks purposely run it in bare crafted lvl49 armour for spirit bonding, and it's no problem at all. And relic weapon for a tank? Sure, it's nice, but as a non-dps job it is not all that critical (and certainly not for CM, for goodness sake). GC tanking weapon or even less is fine. Heck, I tanked for a while with that white weapon drop from WP.

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This, nothing is critical in CM. A bare minimum is fine. That instance is for spirit bonding at this point. I never wear my best gear in there, always three or four pieces being SB'd and a SB+ ring

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Originally Posted by bonarota

Aren't the more experienced people teach people how to do it or at least give pointers I know I am not perfect and I am a casual player been playing since beta took me some time to get to 50 cause But yes I do try to upgrade my gear but don't see the point sitting 3 hours to do one run on early runs and I think ak is really a early run cause I have done it it wasn't that hard just need pay attention

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In CM, I'm pleased to run with a new tank. They don't presume to know everything and I like passing on the help I received from other tanks when I was new. One run the other tank said he was new to it, and as I was welcoming him two dpsers immediately dropped. Good riddance, and they were almost immediately replaced. It was one of the smoothest runs ever, only slowed slightly as I stopped a couple times to explain upcoming mechanics. But of course, that's CM, a pretty simple run.

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Originally Posted by bonarota

Yes that what I am wearing except for body cause looked like af body is better has better stats then the market board body have tuxo feet pants af body head hands lvl 55 weapon tuxo ring best best dex earring so not like I have complete crap gear

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I also kept my AF body, changed it with the AK one.

The Revenant's toll spam is hilarious for these requirements. Last night, saw a few spammers saying they will gear check everyone for CM runs. Literally said, "NO AF USERS PLEASE."

These requirements are getting pretty ridiculous. I feel bad for people just reaching end game or starting out now. I don't think many of these elitist players have realized that they too were once in generic AF gear at one point trying to grind these dungeons just to start getting DF or AF2 armor. So sad :(

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Originally Posted by Kyana

Many FFXIV tanks are scaredy-cats and for whatever reason don't want to tank something challenging.

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On the flip side of that coin, it's hilarious how many dps and even the occasional healer would bail on WP when I showed up on my warrior with AF gear and Garuda's Scream. The whole mindset of "must have Dark Light and Relic" to run CM, Prat, and WP is rediculous. While AK is doable, a few WP upgrades and/or Darklight upgrades makes the run smoother.

In the JP forums there's a thread where the original poster asked, very seriously, why he was accused repeatedly in the same run in WP, of been undergeared and that WP needs DL+AF to do. They wiped at the second boss and the group broke up.

The OP was wearing the Militia set.

The whole reason people are preaching about DL for WP for "efficiency" sake and that it will take "very long without DL" is just so they can have the WP queue to themselves for fast matching and fast clears. They wish all the AF people run CM because WP is their new toy and they don't want to share. :3