Ready for 2-Star

Hey there. I just recently reached the Control minimum for Leatherworker.
I'm hoping to craft some Gryphonskin armor for my monk.
I'm just about ready. I don't have many other crafts to 15, and unfortunately 15 is as high as I plan on taking other crafts for now.

Using leatherworker skills and 15 craft skills for others how can I guarantee Gryphonskin gets completed while maximizing my HQ chances?

I tried HQing a one star recipe and I felt like I used most of my durability just finishing the synthesis only getting to 10% on quality.

I'd appreciate it if you didnt use abbreviations^^; ie SH = Steady Hands.

I sort of understand the concept of HQing. Using your CP to restore durability and using Inner Quiet -> Steady Hands -> Hasty Touch then restore CP with that carpenter skill.
How do you get the durability up and when do you do it? Do you start the quality rotation 1 progress ability from finishing?

After discussing this with many many crafters, the chances you will have of getting HQ two start gear with your current setup is going to be very slim. Level all classes to 15 and CUL to 37. Many also will say you need level 50 crafting in a few other key classes. You will need HQ level 50 gear and have it maxed out with materia. Depending on the materia you are able to equip you may also need to eat food before attempting to craft those items.

I have the gear and the materia and the food, but I don't plan on taking other classes passed 15. I have some but not all, thank you for your input but I'm looking for the optimal way to make an HQ with what I have, not what I can get.

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Originally Posted by FCrowles

I have the gear and the materia and the food, but I don't plan on taking other classes passed 15. I have some but not all, thank you for your input but I'm looking for the optimal way to make an HQ with what I have, not what I can get.

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Really the most important 15 ability for long crafts is from Alchemy, Tricks of the Trade.

If you have Waste Not, Tricks of the Trade, and Careful Synthesis you should be fine. Always open with Inner Quiet (or Comfort Zone if you have it). Then Waste Not followed by Careful Synthesis spam until you're one progress move away from finishing it. You can replace Careful Synthesis with Rapid Synthesis if you're feeling lucky. I dislike using progress moves that require CP here.

How you increase quality depends on what abilities you have at your disposal. I'd need to know specifically what you have.


As for gear/food I find having 347 craftsmanship and 318 control without food to be essential. On any important craft I go for the highest CP food I can get my hands on and if you have to use food to reach those caps it will be rough. In my goldsmithing gear with everything except offhand fully melded + some good food I start two star crafts with ~390 CP. I spent a ridiculous amount of gil stat capping all the goldsmith gear and I can honestly say it's not worth it. I have something like 360 craftsmanship 355 control with that set on and the two star crafts are no easier than my other DoH sets with crap melds. Just max out the CP.

Did I mention CP yet?

I plan on having all 15 abilities before I attempt the 2 Stars, but I don't plan on taking cooking to 37. Ugh cooking or any other craft to 50 until much later in my gaming career.
So basically start the synthesis...
Inner Quiet, Waste Not, Careful Synthesis until 1 away from completion, Tricks of Trade on Good.
Then for quality how do I start it?
Masters Mend I? II? Another Waste not? Steady Hand + Hasty Touch? Ruinmation at 5 durability?

I am not going to include Waste Not 2 because 1)you do not have it, 2)I do not have it, and3)you do not want to take the craft to 50 to get it any time soon.

Master's Mend : restores 30 Durability. That's 3 extra turns, at 92 CP. 30.67 CP/extra turn.
Manipulation : restores 30 Durability over time. That's 3 extra turns, at 88 CP. 29.33 CP/extra turn.
Waste Not : halves durability loss over next 4 turns. Net effect : 2 extra turns (4 turns total, but 20 durability used, difference is 2 turns), at 56 CP. 28 CP/extra turn.
Master's Mend 2 : restores 60 Durability. That's 6 extra turns, at 160 CP. 26.67 CP/extra turn.

If you have the choice, use Master's Mend 2. Use it when you hit either 20 or 10 Durability left, assuming you have the CP remaining for it.

I wouldn't ever think about doing 2star crafts without byregot's blessing, hasty touch and steady hand II. It's just suicide, but whatever, do as you wish.

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Originally Posted by Dorin

I wouldn't ever think about doing 2star crafts without byregot's blessing, hasty touch and steady hand II. It's just suicide, but whatever, do as you wish.

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I looked at your gear and you have a couple level 1 materia attached to two or three jewelery pieces. This is inadequate. I know plenty of crafters who have all DoH classes to 15 and one or two at level 50 yet cannot craft hq two star items. If you're unwilling to invest the time needed then I guess you will learn the hard way how difficult it is. I'll be surprised if your meet the minimum requirements to finish the synth.

You are looking at crafting pieces 20 levels higher that your current max level 50. It will be easier for you to run CM 12 times and get the mats for another crafter to make the item. I'm just going to be blunt: You will not be able to assure hq by being lazy.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I looked at your gear and you have a couple level 1 materia attached to two or three jewelery pieces. This is inadequate. I know plenty of crafters who have all DoH classes to 15 and one or two at level 50 yet cannot craft hq two star items. If you're unwilling to invest the time needed then I guess you will learn the hard way how difficult it is. I'll be surprised if your meet the minimum requirements to finish the synth.

You are looking at crafting pieces 20 levels higher that your current max level 50. It will be easier for you to run CM 12 times and get the mats for another crafter to make the item. I'm just going to be blunt: You will not be able to assure hq by being lazy.

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I guess you meant to quote the OP?

And yeah, agreed about the rest. Crafting 2 star recipes isn't something you can really do with just 1 class to 50. I mean technically, if you were ridiculously lucky and got some excellents, maybe... but you get my point.

If you want to GUARANTEE a 100% HQ, you'll need more juice. And trust me, you DO want to guarantee a 100% because 1125 tomestones take forever to farm. (2250 for 2 pieces).

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

I am not going to include Waste Not 2 because 1)you do not have it, 2)I do not have it, and3)you do not want to take the craft to 50 to get it any time soon.

Master's Mend : restores 30 Durability. That's 3 extra turns, at 92 CP. 30.67 CP/extra turn.
Manipulation : restores 30 Durability over time. That's 3 extra turns, at 88 CP. 29.33 CP/extra turn.
Waste Not : halves durability loss over next 4 turns. Net effect : 2 extra turns (4 turns total, but 20 durability used, difference is 2 turns), at 56 CP. 28 CP/extra turn.
Master's Mend 2 : restores 60 Durability. That's 6 extra turns, at 160 CP. 26.67 CP/extra turn.

If you have the choice, use Master's Mend 2. Use it when you hit either 20 or 10 Durability left, assuming you have the CP remaining for it.

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Um I'm a leatherworker 50 trying to craft Griphonskin armor so yes I do have Waste not 2

Alright once again I am not looking for a 100% chance to crit 2 star every single time. I am looking for a rotation using HQ materials that will get the most out of what I have. No I will not level every craft to 50. This is what I have and what I plan on attempting it with, I understand its not optimal but that's not what this thread is about.
Currently I have 15 Every Craft 50 Leatherworker, from start to finish what is the optimal rotation to get the most out of what I HAVE not what I can get?

Sorry, didn't make that connection for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Dorin

I guess you meant to quote the OP?

And yeah, agreed about the rest. Crafting 2 star recipes isn't something you can really do with just 1 class to 50. I mean technically, if you were ridiculously lucky and got some excellents, maybe... but you get my point.

If you want to GUARANTEE a 100% HQ, you'll need more juice. And trust me, you DO want to guarantee a 100% because 1125 tomestones take forever to farm. (2250 for 2 pieces).

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Meant to mention I agreed with you when quoted. =)

Currently funding a friend to become a master crafter. Have talked this over with him and a few other people who hq two star items and it's insanely intensive to get your character to that point. If you're going to farm 2250 tombstones for your end game gear and don't care about hq then just get DL. It will have better stats as the difference between HQ and NQ is significant.

Since you insist on being so stubborn and wanna take the risk...


Inner Quiet, Stead Hands, Hasty Touch(Tricks of Trade for every good proc), Master's mend II at 20/80, Hasty Touch Spam(obviously use Steady Hand again when you don't have it up), get it to 30/80. Rumination, Ingenuity, 2x Standard Synth, Careful synth. You might be able to do Standard Synth + Careful Synthx2 but I'm not too sure(I know you can do it with Careful Synth IIx2). Or, if you get a lot of ToT proc's and have a ton of cp left over before you use rumination (at 40/80), use Great Strides>Advanced Touch for a big chunk of quality.)

I highly do not recommend doing this without Stead Hands II. Byregot makes it so much easier but since you don't wanna get stuff to 50...(hell I got my Carp to 50 in 4 days...I used up all my leves and had to wait). The extra 10% is huge. What do you mean you don't wanna 100% chance HQ 2-star every time? You are out of your mind. If it's not 100%, I always feel a bit nervous for that random chance it becomes NQ. If you wanna craft the hardest items to craft in this game put time and effort in it. Imagine how much time you're gonna waste by farming for the mats again...could've just gotten CUL to 37.

You haven't even put any materia in your gear yet (forbidden melds can be a nightmare)...worry about that first. You say with all HQ materials...I don't know how you're gonna HQ a 40 dura Hard Hippogryph Leather without Byregot. Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

People have been giving you great advice yet you just ignore them. Your stubborness is gonna cost you a crapton of money and you'll regret not listening.

exaclty like what Kupo said.. you wanna be stubborn? Gonna be fkin hilarious when you get extremely lucky and get 9x% chance to HQ only to get a big slap in the face and have it NQ in the end

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Originally Posted by KupoRupo

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No the Hard Hippo leather didn't crit but the shoulder guards did which is the only material in the actual Gryphon jacket itelf.
Yes I'm stubborn because I'm perfectly fine with NQ I just wanted to increase my chances for HQ with what I have. I only wanted the chest piece not the entire set. Appearance > stats for me.
In the end I HQ'd it with 76% quality.
Thanks for the advice as aggressive and rude as it was.

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Originally Posted by FCrowles

Um I'm a leatherworker 50 trying to craft Griphonskin armor so yes I do have Waste not 2

Alright once again I am not looking for a 100% chance to crit 2 star every single time. I am looking for a rotation using HQ materials that will get the most out of what I have. No I will not level every craft to 50. This is what I have and what I plan on attempting it with, I understand its not optimal but that's not what this thread is about.
Currently I have 15 Every Craft 50 Leatherworker, from start to finish what is the optimal rotation to get the most out of what I HAVE not what I can get?

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If you're going to buy HQ materials, you might as well just have someone craft the thing for you. You are not going to reliably HQ the materials with your setup.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

If you're going to buy HQ materials, you might as well just have someone craft the thing for you. You are not going to reliably HQ the materials with your setup.

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There are maybe like 3 people who can even craft HQ gryphonskin on my server. Thanks for your valuable input though ;)

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Originally Posted by FCrowles

There are maybe like 3 people who can even craft HQ gryphonskin on my server. Thanks for your valuable input though ;)

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And there's probably 40 that can reliably HQ the gear. You said you wanted to do it with HQ materials and limited skills. It's easier and cheaper just to have one of them HQ it for you.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

And there's probably 40 that can reliably HQ the gear. You said you wanted to do it with HQ materials and limited skills. It's easier and cheaper just to have one of them HQ it for you.

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I disagree, but thanks for your input once again. Take care!

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Originally Posted by FCrowles

I disagree, but thanks for your input once again. Take care!

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You can refuse to listen to everyone as much as you want. In the end, you will still never HQ @100% with that limited skill set.

Use your leatherworking skills to make money and buy HQ gear, that's your only option unless you ever feel like finishing the work that it takes to prep for this gear.

Feel free to burn 9/18 tome items and prove us wrong.

What you're asking is the equivalent of asking how to finish HQ titan in lv.45 gear, you can't. You have to put in hard work to do impressive things, it's funny how you refuse to understand that.

No mention of Ingenuity? The hit to progress for ilvl 70 is immense. Without Ingenuity it takes double or triple the number of synthesis actions to complete.

I have 50gsm, 37cul and have been semi-successful with 2star recipes. I have full hq gear with all melds except for 2-3 overmeld slots. 40durability 2stars are tough, I only get ~50% hq chance with the limited cross class I have. But 80 durability items I have gotten in the 70%-90% hq chance range. I just picked up the synth that does 2.5x progress with 50% chance and Tricks of Trade and I am expecting to get to 100% hq on 80 durability items without much issue. I am a handful of levels away from picking up Rumination as well but I don't think I will need it.

I will share my rotation, not 100% ideal, and it will change a lot once I am using these new cross-class that I mention above. But here is what has worked ok for me:
Inner Quiet (18cp)
Steady Hand II (25cp)
Hasty Touch until Steady Hand II wears off
If condition=good or better, Hasty Touch
If condition=normal or worse, Standard Synthesis
Master Mend II (160cp)
Steady Hand II (25cp)
Hasty Touch until Steady Hand II wears off
Manipulation (88cp)
Steady Hand II (25cp)
From here, it depends alot on how much progress you make with each synth, aka your craftsmanship stat...
If condition=good or better, Hasty Touch
If condition=normal or worse, Standard Synthesis
But as you get close to durability=0, be sure you have enough left to complete the synth.

This uses 341cp and I have 342 cp so it works great for my cp level given that I have no cp regen abilities as of yet. But keep in mind, there are tons of ways to reach 100% hq with different combinations of cross class.

I think the most important thing is this - if you plan to use the hasty touch spam method, you absolutely need steady hand II.

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Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad

You can refuse to listen to everyone as much as you want. In the end, you will still never HQ @100% with that limited skill set.

Use your leatherworking skills to make money and buy HQ gear, that's your only option unless you ever feel like finishing the work that it takes to prep for this gear.

Feel free to burn 9/18 tome items and prove us wrong.

What you're asking is the equivalent of asking how to finish HQ titan in lv.45 gear, you can't. You have to put in hard work to do impressive things, it's funny how you refuse to understand that.

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Ive stated this FIVE times already. I do not WANT to HQ 2 stars 100%. Seriously, why can't you people understand that? Just because I don't want to play like YOU doesn't make my playstyle wrong. The entire point of this post was to increase my CHANCES of HQing with the skills I have. I already HQ'd what I wanted to. This is seriously the worst community Ive ever seen....

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Originally Posted by FCrowles

Ive stated this FIVE times already. I do not WANT to HQ 2 stars 100%. Seriously, why can't you people understand that? Just because I don't want to play like YOU doesn't make my playstyle wrong. The entire point of this post was to increase my CHANCES of HQing with the skills I have. I already HQ'd what I wanted to. This is seriously the worst community Ive ever seen....

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Not many people care much about the looks of items like you do. Everyone is interested in the stats of an item, which is what actually matters when you are doing the end-game content. The stats on the NQ pieces that you mentioned are mediocre at best, in comparison to the HQ versions. Furthermore, simply using your tomes to buy DL gear, like others here have mentioned, would take less time (fewer tomes), money (no costs for crystals, other mats, and materia), and risk (there's zero risk to buy DL) to get gear that is very near to the HQ crafted stats.

So, the "worst community you've ever seen," is actually just pointing out the obvious.

I was about to give it posting on this thread. But I just had to.

You care about it's appearance, so why bother HQ'ing? Why bother increasing your chances of HQ'ing? You don't care. So why do it? Just go with NQ simple and easy. Then you wont' have to deal with "the worst community you've ever seen" for calling you out and needing a rotation. If you honestly didn't care a single bit, you wouldn't be trying to HQ any of it and just get it NQ. Why you want to dedicate your time and money to making one of the best pieces of gear in the game for only it's appearance and not a single care for it's stats is beyond me. For RP'ing? I don't know. Why not have both since you're making it already?

No one' saying your "playstyle"(there's a playstyle now for crafting?) is wrong. We're just saying it's not optimal for HQ'ing 2 star. You're asking for help on rotations, which is basically us giving you our rotations. Isn't that the same thing as you "playing like us?" All of us prefer to HQ 100% everything. Why wouldn't you? Of course, everybody has their weird logic I guess and I won't judge.

P.S. I don't know how you found me aggressive and rude but okay. I don't understand your logic anyways.

In OPs defense he wasn't looking for the very best way to guarantee HQ, he was looking for the best way to get the highest chance of HQ given his circumstances. Is his opinion shared by most that play the game? No, but it's his opinion.

Steady Hands II is probably the most important ability for reducing variance in longer synths along with tricks of trade.

My set up is kind of like this but I'm a weaver by trade. 362crft/348ctrl.
50gsm: Innovation, manipulation
50wvr: Careful synthesis II
50crp: Byregot's Blessing
37cul: Hasty Touch/Steady Hand II
15alc: tricks of trade
15ltw: waste not (rare use)
15bsm: Ingenuity (important for HQ2*)

You want to be hitting 100% on your HQ2s no matter what because you're investing at least a few days worth of boring synths and your stuff selling on the market to get the money back for a failed/nq synth. To the OP, part of the challenge of crafting in this game is to create a situational gambit where every option you have is fairly close to optimum. This is why I want to eventually get every craft to 50 pending my sanity of sitting through it

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Originally Posted by FCrowles

The entire point of this post was to increase my CHANCES of HQing with the skills I have. I already HQ'd what I wanted to. This is seriously the worst community Ive ever seen....

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People already said you can't with those skills and are giving you advice on how to. You refuse to take advice so here we are

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GG lol. GG

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OP's logic :
I need skill rotation on HQ'ing gears but I don't care about HQ.

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Leveling a 50 CRP, 37 CUL, 15 WVR, 15 BSM and 15 GSM is all you need to guarantee yourself a 2 Star HQ.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

OP's logic :
I need skill rotation on HQ'ing gears but I don't care about HQ.

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This is what I'm talking about on the worst community ever.
More like.... I want to optimize my chances of getting HQ but I wont be super disappointed if it doesn't HQ, silly little troll bumping a completed thread.

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Originally Posted by FCrowles

This is what I'm talking about on the worst community ever.
More like.... I want to optimize my chances of getting HQ but I wont be super disappointed if it doesn't HQ, silly little troll bumping a completed thread.

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Oh please, you just made my post as an excuse to yourself being a genius.

If you won't be "super disappointed" then why bother put an effort creating this thread? You can just rambo your way to crafting 2 star gears since you said you won't be disappointed anyway.

People gave you an idea/what you need, yet you're stubborn enough to accept their advice, keep telling us you only want to work with what you have, then ALAS by all means work with what you have and never expect anything since you won't be disappointed right? :)

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

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Go away troll. I got the advice I needed here and I HQ'd it. Threads over. Go troll elsewhere.

I really thought crafting HQ 2 ** Items is nearly impossbile because i heard ppl talking/crying about and ment its incredible hard.
So i put some effort in the other classes before i tried it out.
Its a JOKE at least for every item where u need another preitem. (like chest, "shoulderguard")
What u need is all mats in HQ and your craftingclass to 50, + the following all on 15 (ALC,CUL,BSM,ARM,WVR) thats it, using HQ only mats give u close to 50% of the quality so u only need 1,5k quality which is piece of cake.
Finsihing off with rapid or standard synthesis.
The only thing u really need to care about is the 9 tomes mat like leather for me, just make sure u can progress it to 100% even if u need to cut HQ. You can make the preitem which u need for most of the armor parts HQ easy with a NQ leather.

my stats which are not incredible high (CMS 347, Control 322 and 360 CP(with buff food) i crafted about 10 hq 2 star items without any miss one had 96% rest was 100%
i repeat this counts for armor parts with preitems
i will try Rings where u need 2 Leather (probably on HQ to get a decent amount of quality) only after i got CUL to 37

oh and as LTW to LTW never use Waste Not I or II its not worth it

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Originally Posted by Sixoa

my stats which are not incredible high (CMS 347, Control 322 and 360 CP(with buff food) i crafted about 10 hq 2 star items without any miss one had 96% rest was 100%
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I have similar stats. What's your skill rotation? I'm going to be crafting my first 2-star tonight.