update Duty Finder

anyone else aggre SE needs to combine all servers in this.....

i mean im a healer and i even sit in Q for 30min up to over and hour looking for a group.... its starting to get worse and worse everyday

and i dont know about other servers but on mine ppl arnt exactly social its more so F you ill do it myself ordeal or unless you have these type of gear get out dont come back

which in short is making it near impossiable to even get anything done gear wise by the time i sit in Q trying to get a party for it i use most of my time im able to play just trying to get in one and then eaither dont have time to finish or have to just leave Q couse ive waisted my 1-2hours sitting there trying to find one

i dont knwo if its just ppl quitting and fewer and fewer on or just no one gives a dang to do any DGs below 50 (reason i say ppl quitting is past week i have had no issues with server being full at any time as to were the week before everytime i log in i had to wait)

but anyway point is they need to combine all or at least put more servers together couse this whole hour + waitting is getting old and making it extreamly hard to even get anything

may not for some but for ppl liek me who only have a few hours to play a day and less on some days its impossiable almost to get anything

I thought Duty Finder was already multiple servers? Is it just groups of servers right now?

Edit: I do believe I'm going to switch my goal from Dragoon to one of the tanks. If it really is that bad I'll switch back, but generally I enjoy tanking in games.

They were combined across all NA/EU servers to begin with, which caused my problems for its stability, thus made is so we had a lot of log in restrictions in place and a lower cap on the amount of players that count be actively logged in on each world. Do you really want that back again?

then SE shouldnt of launched the game till this was fixed just like the first time with 1.0 they rushed it and failed

i understand lowering it to a few servers again due to that but this is getting old and is making it hard for ppl with little time to play with these hour to for some DDs even 2-3hour waitting time

as of right now im in Q for the 32 DG and have been for 56mins now and im a WHM

and those who say its couse of what time it is this makes no diffrence since i wait every time i Q no matter what time it is in the day for at least 40mins to over an hour

and this only started since there last update/maint

If I'm correct, the level 32 dungeon is Brayflox's Longstop, which is a dungeon that most people avoid like the plague. Having all servers in the duty finder pool isn't going to improve waiting time much.

I think Square Enix will need to adjust the dungeon a little in order for more people to sign up for it as a tank, because that's where the problem lies.

Off peak queues are always going to be longer. They have also increased the number of worlds massively, so going back to single group per data centre would be even less of a good idea now.

But perhaps they could have a more dynamic server grouping system based on current load (could be tricky doing the transition to different server groupings whilst people are already queued though, but I'm sure technically possible), or split the matching servers to have large group duty finder servers for the less common dungeons, but smaller groupings for the popular ones (e.g. AK where even with a pre-made you are going to have a wait most evenings).

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Originally Posted by Millerna

If I'm correct, the level 32 dungeon is Brayflox's Longstop, which is a dungeon that most people avoid like the plague. Having all servers in the duty finder pool isn't going to improve waiting time much.

I think Square Enix will need to adjust the dungeon a little in order for more people to sign up for it as a tank, because that's where the problem lies.

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Didn't know people avoided that dungeon.. Really good gear comes from it. The best pretty much from 32 and into your 40's..

If you are having wait times no matter what time you queue, then it's a problem on the availability of tanks, and adding more worlds won't fix the problem as you'll be adding even more healers and dps in a disproportionate number to tanks. This is not something SE can solve, it's a player based problem people don't want to play tanks they want to play everything else.

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I posted a suggestion the other day for folks to get Duty Finder groups easier/faster.
Make sure you have all languages selected in the Duty Finder window. "JEDF". Especially if you're playing on a server that is non-standard to the language you typically speak. Like me, for instance. I am english-only, but I play on the JP servers. Unfortunately, most of the other players in that server group are JP-only, so they only have JP selected as their language. This makes a huge difference, as Duty Finder will only match people based on the language(s) they have selected.

To avoid grief from other players, be sure to only use this in duties that you are already very familiar with, so the language barrier doesn't prevent you from knowing what you need to do for all the fights.

Be sure to notify your party members with Auto-Translate what language you speak, and keep Google Translate handy to translate any complicated phrases not covered by Auto-Translate.

You'll find this method will GREATLY cut down your wait times. As DPS, I went from waiting 2-3 hours most of the time for HM Primals, to 30 minutes at the most, all the time.

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Originally Posted by A-Shock

Didn't know people avoided that dungeon.. Really good gear comes from it. The best pretty much from 32 and into your 40's..

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A lot of people hate the last boss with a vengeance ;)

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Originally Posted by Millerna

A lot of people hate the last boss with a vengeance ;)

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Don't know why. When tanked correctly, he's easy.

Since tanks always have a nearly instant DF wait time, it's clear that the problem is not a matter of a shortage of people but a imbalance of jobs queued.

Adding another server to the mix that includes 50 DD's, 10 healers, and 1 tank will only make matters worse. I also don't think any changes to duty find would help alleviate this (unless they can add an AI tank to the mix).

The plus side is that I have heard rumors of them planning to implement "rewards" for tanks to further encourage players to take up the role in the future. This might help at best though...

@nanga

hmm ill try that thank you maybe it will help

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Originally Posted by Codek

The plus side is that I have heard rumors of them planning to implement "rewards" for tanks to further encourage players to take up the role in the future. This might help at best though...

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They're adding various rewards for things like signing up as a tank, and signing up for a randomly chosen dungeon and such in 2.1. Question is just what those rewards will be. If they'll just give additional exp bonus, nothing will improve really. Getting some (reasonable) gil reward or, dare I say it, tomes, people might be more inclined to sign up. Until then I tend to sign up for 5 randomly selected dungeons and see which one I end up in. Just a shame I can't offer help to people on the forums here who have issues with getting into certain dungeons because we're not on the same server.

Brayflox is one of my favorites along with AK and Hala

Crazy thought that I'm putting out cause I will forget it in the next 2 hours. A Mentor button!

Basically queues you as a tank to any random dungeon (of your level or below) that will include at least one first time member. (Reward included)

Potential pitfalls:
- DD's would only level a tank to 15 and use it for the first dungeon (yay for instant Satasha ques) (maybe increase a reward based on tank level)
- Scatters all current tanks across all dungeons potentially leaving the 50's runs with fewer tanks (fades as other roles level a tank?)
- Harassment/Trolling (MVP system?)

any other reasons why this might fail?

Problem is that there's no need to run a dungeon again unless you're leveling an alt or missed some mobs from the hunting log.

So, some ideas on non-server-changy-things to fix this:

Endgame crafting drops throughout all the dungeons, myth, phil drops and so on
Mentor exp boosts to tanks/healers that redo low level dungeons
Achievements to give Unique vanity/crafting equipment for running dungeons a set number of times, 10, 20, 50, 100 times etc
Acheivements added involving beating dungeons under certain time limits, no deaths, all mobs killed etc
General all round exp boost on a par with FATE leveling to give people a reason to go back and help others
Add more functionality into dungeon finder to group better, options to party with fellow newbies, endgamers only, mentor required

Summat like that maybe

I am a tank, so yes, I get the good part of duty finder regularly and cannot give experience to duty finder wait times. However, my question is why are people not leveling a tank class already? I finished the main story last night with my 50 Warrior. I love the class. I can do good solo damage when playing alone, I do good damage for a tank class in parties, I can survive a lot of things others can't, I have health recovery for solo and party play. I know a lot of people might not want to main a tank, but why not level one as a second job and enjoy the benefits while they are around. You never know when an update, patch or expansion will flip the tables. I know this doesn't address the problems you are having with other jobs, but while you are waiting for an improvement, level a tank for fun.

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Originally Posted by Codek

Basically queues you as a tank to any random dungeon (of your level or below) that will include at least one first time member. (Reward included)
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(MVP system?)

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SE is already planning on rolling this sort of feature out. You will be able to roll a random dungeon once a day for a reward. You will be able to roll randomly as many times as you want, but only once a day for a reward. (To prevent abusing the system I presume)

And they are implementing an MVP system as well, which similarly will result in rewards: every random dungeon you get a chance to vote on the other players, the more MVP points you get, the more bonus rewards you can get.

So while it may or may not work, SE appears to agree with your idea and some variation on it is coming.

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Originally Posted by kurokawa

Problem is that there's no need to run a dungeon again unless you're leveling an alt or missed some mobs from the hunting log.

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I love re-running dungeons. Especially in the DF. You never know what you are going to get, and sometimes carrying an entire group of new players who don't know what they are doing is amazingly fun. And sometimes getting in there and figuring out how to re-run it as fast as possible with an experienced group is also fun. Plus, if you get a social group that can be its own kinda of enjoyable experience.

Personally I don't entirely understand the mentality of only ever running a dungeon once, or for gear drops. I don't care about gear drops, and 90% of the time I pass on everything. I would much rather re-run all the low level dungeons for fun instead of the whole only run one or two dungeons repeatedly for gear grind people are currently on.

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Originally Posted by Grogin

level a tank for fun.

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Warriors are awesome. I would love if more people rolled them. But that said, tanks also get a lot of grief, and not everyone has the mentality to cope with that, and knowing it probably scares a lot of people away from it, while some people think that the job is ridiculously boring especially early on, and so never are even willing to try.

I think something like this might work better, I edited the duty finder window a bit to show how it would work.

http://i.imgur.com/BXHvWuN.png

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1. When you open the duty finder and select the dungeons you want to join, the Tendency option would update showing what percentage of each role is being used in those dungeons.
2. Now, before quein, if you choose the role that has the lowest percentage it will let you know that since you're joining with this role you will get rewarded.
3. This will only happen if the percentage is 20% or more difference between roles, else it could be abused. It would just work as an incentive to get people playing with other roles.

Let's face it, without rewards it would not work. So for lower level dungeons you could get rewarded with a nice chunk of Gil and EXP. On higher level dungeons if it's the case 20% more seals to that character only (not the whole raid).

Hope it gets a look from mods :)

How about SE makes a tank class thats actually fun to play?

shout for a tank before you queue. Many times i shout letting people know what i am queueing for and if they want in, they whisper me and get an instant queue

The problem is not the duty finder nor the dungeons. The problem is the FATEs. FATEs are the easy button to level cap so there is no real need, or incentive, to do dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Millerna

If I'm correct, the level 32 dungeon is Brayflox's Longstop, which is a dungeon that most people avoid like the plague. Having all servers in the duty finder pool isn't going to improve waiting time much.

I think Square Enix will need to adjust the dungeon a little in order for more people to sign up for it as a tank, because that's where the problem lies.

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Brayflox's Longstop is easy, tell tank to move boss out of poison...

It's that simple. I've never encountered a problem with this dungeon, why is everyone saying it's hard? It so bloody simple.

I often run the lower dungeons, helping FC out, ot if I'm bored random new Pug yelling for group.

The only thing I wish is that (as a Level 50 dragoon) I could use all my abilities, and just sync stats and gear...

Also it would be great to see what gear stats ctually sync to when syncing...

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Brayflox's Longstop is easy, tell tank to move boss out of poison...

It's that simple. I've never encountered a problem with this dungeon, why is everyone saying it's hard? It so bloody simple.

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I think because thats the first time in the game when the difficulty actually makes a huge incline and tanks arent used to it. Before that fight, playing tank is basically, grab these guys and stand still, avoid occasional red circles.