Was listening to the recent episode of Gamebreaker's FFXIV reborn podcast and they were talking about an Image that was sent to them. Had to post it here. Gave me a good laugh.
http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....al/1491056.jpg
For those of you who complain "SE is doing nothing about the RMT's", well here's your proof.
Some people have been commenting on the word "bank" as it is used in the above screenshot. They discussed it in the Gamebreaker podcast and the quote below I think explains it.
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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood
The poor RMT's...
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10-04-2013, 02:09 AMZakarnRosewoodThe poor RMT's...
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10-04-2013, 02:13 AMPangtao
lol, too funny :)
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10-04-2013, 02:15 AMPseudopsia
I think I would have a little sympathy if they weren't sending me tells every 5 minutes with new characters. Yesterday was worse than normal; I assume RMTs that are left are trying desperately to sell some stock before getting banned.
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10-04-2013, 02:15 AMLeira_Raine
Where do they trade? A freakin' back alleyway by the sounds of it...
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10-04-2013, 02:16 AMHiirNoivl
The cops hit our hood dawg! :O
Um... Just because you're on the same internet doesn't mean you're associated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orsnoire
For example, I am not associated with Orsnoire. -
10-04-2013, 02:17 AMTiggy
It's funny that they don't seem to realize that no amount of fancy "trading" will mask where that gil came from.
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10-04-2013, 02:17 AMMarael
I take pleasure in their pain. Yes. YES!!! Cry more tears. Cry! BWAAHAAHAA!!!
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10-04-2013, 02:17 AMOrsnoire
That's awesome. You know the little side-issue here that's kinda funny though: apparently Gamebreaker (or at least someone associated with them) buys gil and had an order pending.
lol
Yeah, and that picture just poofed out of the ether. Are you really that naive?Quote:
Just because you're on the same internet doesn't mean you're associated.
For example, I am not associated with Orsnoire.
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10-04-2013, 02:19 AMJay_Green
Regardless of what method they use to obtain the gil and also trading it, they will get caught.
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10-04-2013, 02:22 AMjcw005
Gil spammers being forced to tap into the stash they have hidden in a sock under the mattress in their inn room. What has the world come to?
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10-04-2013, 02:23 AMNahara
This is a good laugh, gonna show it to some friends of mine.
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10-04-2013, 02:25 AMZakarnRosewood
I love seeing their desperation. Their in-game advertizing campaign, to me, says more about their desperation to keep their activities alive rather than just trying to be annoying.
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10-04-2013, 02:25 AMReinheart
LOL
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10-04-2013, 02:31 AMJennica
It's not that funny, these people live off of this and need money to eat and survive. I don't want them in game but I do feel bad that some of them may lose their livelihood.
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10-04-2013, 02:32 AMZakarnRosewoodYa, I feel bad for drug dealers hitting up elementry schools too. They need that money!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennica
"Hey, Low level character, I have some stuff here you might like. If you give me your lunch money I can help get you some gear that makes you feel invincible. Just dont tell anyone about it, it will be our little secret." -
10-04-2013, 02:34 AMHiirNoivlThey should make a livelihood that doesn't leech off the hard work of the game developers who deserve every cent that the RMTs are making off their intellectual property!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennica
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10-04-2013, 02:34 AMOrsnoireLOL this is precisely what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood
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10-04-2013, 02:35 AMJennicaI didn't know RMT was illegal sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood
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10-04-2013, 02:37 AMZakarnRosewoodSorry for my sarcastic reply. But yes, Selling virtual currency for real life money is illegal and goes against the TOS and EULA we ALL agree to upon playing the game. I don't fault you for not reading it, no one does. But it is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennica
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10-04-2013, 02:37 AMkollwitzwhat kind of stupid analogy is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood
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10-04-2013, 02:38 AMHanabiranot to mention, you are selling SE's intellectual propertyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jennica
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10-04-2013, 02:39 AMStryker
How did their bank accounts get banned? Unless I read that wrong. Unless the IRS and the Feds were involved I can't see their accounts getting banned, especially if they use paypal.
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10-04-2013, 02:41 AMLaryndraThere is no law in any country that i know of that makes it illegal to purchase virtual currency with real currency. There is a rule against it in the TOS. Illegal, and breaking a TOS are two separate things. Lol. Also, to people comparing Gil sellers to drug dealers? Just lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood
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10-04-2013, 02:42 AMZakarnRosewoodI would imagine they segregate their characters into different categories to keep their buisness ends straight. They would have something like "bank" characters, "advertizing" Characters "earning" characters, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stryker
Fair enough. Poor choice of wording on my part. Honestly I have not even read the TOS or EULA either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laryndra
And ya, the comparison was sarcastic and meant for an extreme example. But you gotta admit, some similarities can be drawn.
"Hey, Low level character, I have some stuff here you might like. If you give me your lunch money I can help get you some gear that makes you feel invincible. Just dont tell anyone about it, it will be our little secret." -
10-04-2013, 02:45 AMStryker
Ahh that makes sense. I didn't put too much thought into it.
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10-04-2013, 02:56 AMHanabiraintellectual property laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laryndra
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10-04-2013, 02:57 AMLaryndra
Personally I don't give a damn if someone else buys gil. I don't do it mostly because my main goal thus far was to -make- gill myself (crafting). I hate the shit out of RMT spammers and i wish they would die in a horrible fire. But I don't -give a damn- if the guy next to me wants to spend money on gil. Truthfully Gil does -very little- in this game. The most you can get with it is ilv 70 crafted gear, which is only -slightly- better than Darklight (and in some cases inferior). Good, SE took some of the gil out of the system.. but seriously people get way too worked up over what some mastercard dual wielding 12 year old does with mommies money.
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10-04-2013, 02:58 AMLaryndraPlease, quote any case in which any person has been sued or placed in jail for buying or selling virtual currency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanabira
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10-04-2013, 03:00 AMHanabirai didnt say there were cases.. its like jaywalking.. its illegal, but you dont see anyone getting tickets for it. you ARE selling someones intellectual property, the simple solution is to just ban them, if its too widespread they can move forward if they want with getting the accounts frozen. and if they persist, they'll likely sue them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laryndra
edit: i found this to be thorough
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10-04-2013, 03:01 AMZakarnRosewood
I would also bet there are conflicting international laws at play as well. Like using Swiss bank accounts to launder real money or evade taxes.
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10-04-2013, 03:05 AMRiko_113They don't need a quote. Read up intellectual property law. It's illegal to profit off of someone else's property w/o permission. Whether or not you believe Hanabira isn't their problem, it's yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laryndra
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10-04-2013, 03:07 AMtramayneQuote:
Originally Posted by kollwitz
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10-04-2013, 03:12 AMPandastirfryJail time isn't normally a result of Copyright/Intellectual Property cases, it's typically a fine and damages as it's a civil case, not criminal. second tons of people have been sued for it way back in the day. there is a reason most Gold/Gil seller sites are based in China these days, China does not recognize international copy right/intellectual property rights, which makes it very hard to take legal action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laryndra
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10-04-2013, 03:12 AMAramyth
BANK accounts got banned. rofl Wow
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10-04-2013, 03:13 AMZakalweYes, today was worse than any other single day yet in terms of the barker gil spamers who shout, yell and tell for short periods, then get banned, then get replaced, Hydra-like, with even more lvl1 barkers. I must have put something like 15 on my blacklist, also reported all of them which was a pain, while doing some marathon crafting in Ul'duh. Three would pop up, I would blacklist/report, then 15 minutes later several more would appear. Rinse and repeat. Something has really stirred the hornets nest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pseudopsia
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10-04-2013, 03:15 AMMrSmiley
"restock" aka steal more people's accounts and trip them of their belongings....scumbags...to think people actually buy from them, its ridiculous.
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10-04-2013, 03:15 AMZakalweGet real. These folks are the ultimate scum of the Earth. No, wait, that would be the people who purchase their products. Ok, ok... Penultimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennica
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10-04-2013, 03:16 AMNaunetCareful or they might shank you and take all your money!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leira_Raine
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10-04-2013, 03:17 AMHanabiraIts such a simple solution too.. limit how many shouts you can send in a minute. And if 1 person hits 50 blacklists in a 15 minute period. flag them and escalate it for banning. a GM sees their recent messages. instant ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zakalwe
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10-04-2013, 03:23 AMDorin
I don't even know why those rats think that spamming people will get them more costumers, if anything it's going to piss them off and make them never want to visit their stinky sites.