Thinking of switching to PLD...

I'm just not feeling WAR. It seems like a watered down DPs that can take a hit better than DPs but not as good as PLD. I understand they have better health regen in battle and they can heal themselves. It just seems so much more taxing on the healer than a PLD.

My good friend has played WAR since 1.0 and he admits they seem lackluster atm and not as good as paladins, twice the effort for the same effect. He does plan on weathering it out though.

im leveling pld

I also am sick of having to land 3 combo's before my inferior stance activates, and being super squishy for a tank with bad heals that dont make up for my squishiness at all, it was fun whill it lasted bashing things with my axe but now that i want to farm tombstones as a tank im just going to do it as a PLD as its 5x easier and more efficient

Both Defiance and Shield Oath IMO should give 20% less damage, you're never going to balance a stance that gives flat mitigation vs a small HP buff, Keep Warriors as the the heal tank for flavor, but without 20% less damage theyll never be good as PLD even for AOE tanking which PLD does better still with flash spam and circle of scorn, Overpower runs you out of TP in seconds and only hits in a tiny cone

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Originally Posted by TheWitcher

Both Defiance and Shield Oath IMO should give 20% less damage, you're never going to balance a stance that gives flat mitigation vs a small HP buff, Keep Warriors as the the heal tank for flavor, but without 20% less damage theyll never be good as PLD even for AOE tanking which PLD does better still with flash spam and circle of scorn, Overpower runs you out of TP in seconds and only hits in a tiny cone

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If I could unlike your post I would.

WAR is fine the way it is, if they also received a 20% less damage buff from Defiance there would be absolutely zero reason for anyone to be a pld. You get more dmg, health, and healing. You don't get to have the increased defense too.

Warriors, stop expecting to be essentially the exact same as pld just with an axe. Your skills are designed to be played differently. If you want to have pld abilities, roll a pld.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

If I could unlike your post I would.

WAR is fine the way it is, if they also received a 20% less damage buff from Defiance there would be absolutely zero reason for anyone to be a pld. You get more dmg, health, and healing. You don't get to have the increased defense too.

Warriors, stop expecting to be essentially the exact same as pld just with an axe. Your skills are designed to be played differently. If you want to have pld abilities, roll a pld.

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Looking at your characters I don't see a MRD leveled so you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Also it wouldn't make them the same class PLD has way more mitigation CD's than a WAR does. We have ONE mitigation CD. It would still be different playstyles even with the 20% damage reduction given to both the only difference is BOTH would be viable instead of one.

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Originally Posted by Derpy12

Looking at your characters I don't see a MRD leveled so you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Also it wouldn't make them the same class PLD has way more mitigation CD's than a WAR does. We have ONE mitigation CD. It would still be different playstyles even with the 20% damage reduction given to both the only difference is BOTH would be viable instead of one.

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Read http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ld-Oath/page11 I'd suggest the posts by myself, Kitra and Junk. The class is designed to be played in a different way, they don't mitigate damage the same way as a pld.

By your argument, if they gave a 20% mitigation buff to defiance, it would also be fair for them to give increased hp, health regen, and damage to paladin.

At this time they are both balanced to be viable in their own way, a pld won't be able to tank if they try to play like they are a war, and a war won't be able to tank if they try to play like a pld. Let them each be their own class and stop trying to make them homogenous.

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Originally Posted by Derpy12

Looking at your characters I don't see a MRD leveled so you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Also it wouldn't make them the same class PLD has way more mitigation CD's than a WAR does. We have ONE mitigation CD. It would still be different playstyles even with the 20% damage reduction given to both the only difference is BOTH would be viable instead of one.

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Shall i request for Shield Oath to also include a 20% max HP buff?

WAR should not be requesting to be given PLD's dmg mitigation yet retaining their large HP pool, DPS, health regen and AoE enmity superiority.

WAR aren't an inferior tank, just like how PLDs will need good gear for end-game tanking, WAR requires the same too.

Warriors are currently worthless. I'm rerolling pally. Sure warriors are indeed fine, but a pally can do anything they can but better.

So if a Pally can just do it all and better then where does that leave a warrior? In a pointless spot where a group would rather have a pally and they will most likely drop you for one.

Imo save the hassle of small minded idiots worrying if your WAR is good enough for their precious runs and spend 3 days getting a PLD to 50. Put your WAR on the shelf and wait for the buffs so maybe then you can play it without the hassle.

Warriors will have their day, it just not right now...

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Originally Posted by GinsterUnit

Warriors are currently worthless. I'm rerolling pally. Sure warriors are indeed fine, but a pally can do anything they can but better.

So if a Pally can just do it all and better then where does that leave a warrior?

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What game are you playing? A pally isn't as self reliant as a warrior, doesn't have nearly as much hp, can't deal as much damage, and has a harder time holding threat of multiple targets.

I think it's very short sighted to think there will be no new bosses or mechanics added to the game, ones that may have a set amount of unmitigatable damage that requires a tank that has an hp pool that a paladin just can't reach. Point is, there is no way every boss fight in this game will only require 1 tank, and the things that paladins aren't good at, warriors are. Think about how the two work together, rather than being worried you aren't in the spotlight.

I'd rather have a shorter Hp pool that is harder to dent than have a huge Hp pool that just vanishes in a few hits. I'm sorry but compared to version 1.0 war, I feel I can't survive nearly as much as I could before. I am racing to lvl up pld because I want to be able to do endgame events, and in War's current state I don't feel as confident as I used to. They need to toss us a bone. I'm not asking for anything that will outshine a pld, but I want to feel as valuable when I play on war.