Earthly Star damage nerf

Hello,

I was playing around with Earthly star in the Ruby Sea and I noticed that its damage wasn't adding up. After 10 seconds, it should have the same potency as Gravity, but it was consistently doing about 25% less damage. This was on a single target, so no damage reductions came into play. The difference between Earthly dominance and Giant dominance damage potency is also 25%. I thought that maybe it wasn't getting the Mend damage boosts, but those are at 40%. The only thing I can think of is that either the tool tip is wrong or the devs screwed it up somehow when they were changing it from the 900 or so healing potency it used to be at.

I've tried it on multiple characters and it's always the same thing. I submitted a bug report via the in-game tool, but I wanted to make this post so that other players are aware of it as well.

I don't know it for sure, but I've seen a couple people say that Earthly Star's damage is calculated as if from a pet, so ~20% less than the potency suggests sounds about right.

...not that having that reduction in the first place makes sense. I can't imagine it would be all that hard to just list that actual potencies.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

I don't know it for sure, but I've seen a couple people say that Earthly Star's damage is calculated as if from a pet, so ~20% less than the potency suggests sounds about right.

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It doesn't though given that the Sch pets have benefited from the Mend boosts in the past. Assuming Earthly Star is a pet that doesn't get the mend boosts, then the difference should be 40% and not ~25%. I further believe that the tool tip is currently wrong with the reason being either an error on the translation team or a goof on the devs when they changed the ability's potencies from an earlier build.

I tested it with Earthly and Giant Dominance and they were both behaving as expected, but the end result was still about 25% off in both cases. I'm currently locked out of my characters due to how late SE and Amazon were at sending out the physical game, but I'll give a more detailed report when they arrive unless someone else wants to do in my stead. I also noticed that Earthly Star missed against a level 52 enemy at the beginning of the Earthly Sea, but I've yet to be able to replicate that. I believe I took a screen shot of the battle logs when it occurred, but I'm not sure how to post that here.

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Originally Posted by Pomo

It doesn't though given that the Sch pets have benefited from the Mend boosts in the past. Assuming Earthly Star is a pet that doesn't get the mend boosts, then the difference should be 40% and not ~25%. I further believe that the tool tip is currently wrong with the reason being either an error on the translation team or a goof on the devs when they changed the ability's potencies from an earlier build.

I tested it with Earthly and Giant Dominance and they were both behaving as expected, but the end result was still about 25% off in both cases. I'm currently locked out of my characters due to how late SE and Amazon were at sending out the physical game, but I'll give a more detailed report when they arrive unless someone else wants to do in my stead. I also noticed that Earthly Star missed against a level 52 enemy at the beginning of the Earthly Sea, but I've yet to be able to replicate that. I believe I took a screen shot of the battle logs when it occurred, but I'm not sure how to post that here.

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This is false. Pets have always been affected by Mend and Maim at least as far as 3.0 is concerned. A lot of people saw the tooltips and got excited, not realizing that it always gave pets +30%

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

This is false. Pets have always been affected by Mend and Maim at least as far as 3.0 is concerned. A lot of people saw the tooltips and got excited, not realizing that it always gave pets +30%

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For sure. I was just using that assumption to show that even if it wasn't affected by the mend traits, the numbers are still off.

It's not about Maim and Mend, pets just scale at ~80% compared to a player. Has been like that since... the start of HW, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

It's not about Maim and Mend, pets just scale at ~80% compared to a player. Has been like that since... the start of HW, I believe.

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Interesting. Do you have a source for the 80% scaling? I looked it up and the only thing I could find was pets taking "snapshots" of your character when summoned.

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Originally Posted by Pomo

Interesting. Do you have a source for the 80% scaling? I looked it up and the only thing I could find was pets taking "snapshots" of your character when summoned.

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Embrace heals for roughly 30% less than you would expect from potency comparisons with players. It's been this way since Heavensward, and continues into Stormblood. For instance currently my level 70 SCH (ilvl 286) heals between 6000 and 6300 with its 400 potency Physick, whereas Embrace heals between 2400 and 2550 at 250 potency. This actually makes Embrace heal with an effective player potency of about 160, or almost 40% less than what I would have hoped for currently in game right at this moment, and I have pulled previous testing values in HW and also at level 60 in SB when the ratio was 20%-30%. This is also true for Whispering Dawn, which currently heals between 970 and 1050 for me on non-critical heal pulses, about 35% less than what you would expect from a 100 potency heal from a player. This basically means in order for the fairy to actually match its listed potency, you have to Rouse it just to break even.

I've tested Shadowflare and it still damages at expected potency so Earthly Star isn't effected because it's a ground skill, but it may be paying the "fairy tax" for some reason. Out of curiosity, does it still heal at expected potency values compared to Benefic?

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Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

Out of curiosity, does it still heal at expected potency values compared to Benefic?

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I can't test right now as SE or Amazon sent out my physical copy a few days ago. I'll check whenever it arrives unless someone else wants to do it. I honestly never thought to check the heal as it was good enough in my eyes. The issue I had was with how little damage Earthly Star did, which is why I zeroed in on it so quickly.

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Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

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Earthly star acts like the turret deployed by MCH (they even share the same AoE Marker when deploying them), so I suppose that's not a Fairy Tax but a Turret Tax. I think the MCH turret deals less damage compared to MCH.