Ninja SkS Build with 2100+ dps

Two of my friends main NIN. Each with different build. One is going for Crit-SkS and the other is going with common Crit-Det. The one with SkS always tops Det by 150~200dps. Because of the different build each is using a different rotation. Det is using the known rotation for NIN. While the SkS one had to do many tests to get it right (not many guides are available for SkS NIN). He also broke A12S dummy (Stone, Sky, Sea).

This is His try on dummy:https://youtu.be/XDGd9E9ce1w

894 SS? Wouldn't you run out of tp VERY quickly? I had to lower my ilv, otherwise my gear had my ss too high and i wouldn't last too long. Is that video using the shasta opener?

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Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

894 SS? Wouldn't you run out of tp VERY quickly? I had to lower my ilv, otherwise my gear had my ss too high and i wouldn't last too long. Is that video using the shasta opener?

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He cleared A9S and A10S, no TP issues. All melees have TP issues on A9S since that fight is AoE havey and there is no TP break. It is normal for BRD or MCH to pop TP but other than that, there is no issue with TP.

You can ask him in the comment section if you have any questions, since I don't play Ninja I can't help ^^

SkS and Det build both have different openers as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

The one with SkS always tops Det by 150~200dps.

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That is a way larger difference than what is logically possible with a difference in secondary stats, there's definitely something else that is causing this difference. To understand, even if SS was weighted the same as crit, 200 DPS would be roughly be equal to 160 more dex. Det is at 0.2 and let's say SS is at 0.3. That's 160/(SS-DET)=1600, so unless SS is valued a lot more than any theorycrafter thought and they are both compared at 1600 each the difference would be that much.

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Originally Posted by Krindor

That is a way larger difference than what is logically possible with a difference in secondary stats...

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MCH Hypercharge + WAR Storm's Eye

Edit: Also landing more attacks than the average NIN before the boss becomes untargetable + more attacks while Hypercharge is up. Calculating this through the entire fight will make a difference in the end. (His OGC is 1.95)

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Originally Posted by Yeol

MCH Hypercharge + WAR Storm's Eye

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So you're boosting the SS nin but not Det nin and then comparing your results? Either way it's still not going to make a huge difference, HC gives roughly 1.3% increased damage and SE something like 32 DPS if both were at 2k. I was also able to reach his parse without food nor pot and 150 less secondary stats and 9 dex less. My simulator also points that comparing the BiS and his BiS he's losing out on 50 DPS. Unless he can come up with a theoretical reason as to why SS is better than Crit and Det there's no way it can be taken seriously, practical results is basically impossible to base off as there's way too many variables to take into account.

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Originally Posted by Krindor

So you're boosting the SS nin but not Det nin ..

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Could you send/post the video and I will forward it to him ^^

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Originally Posted by Krindor

That is a way larger difference than what is logically possible with a difference in secondary stats, there's definitely something else that is causing this difference. To understand, even if SS was weighted the same as crit, 200 DPS would be roughly be equal to 160 more dex. Det is at 0.2 and let's say SS is at 0.3. That's 160/(SS-DET)=1600, so unless SS is valued a lot more than any theorycrafter thought and they are both compared at 1600 each the difference would be that much.

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Most skill speed weights don't take into consideration the actual rotational improvements they can provide, just the raw rate of damage adjustment, as far as I've seen matching math for.

Back in 2.x my Skill Speed was, when right at the crucial rotational plateau, probably my largest dps contributer, and shuffling around secondary stats at the same ilvl and roughly the same accuracy showed this in my parses. The issue was simply the massive TP drain.

That said, this level of skill speed seems excessive. If his attack rate were about 3.3% less, he could still get every Dancing Edge in time, perfect his Shadow Fangs, and get the Aeolian Edge lineup with second Duality.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

Could you send/post the video and I will forward it to him ^^

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If you're talking about my parse here: https://www.twitch.tv/krindor/v/95283951

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

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Quite funny, considering the current stat weights were made by me and I don't give skill speed a weight because of that reason.

Here's a graph showing why I rate SS so low, it's made by a simulator which accounts for most things.
https://i.gyazo.com/be02a7964d40ffa3...495887260c.png

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Most skill speed weights don't take into consideration the actual rotational improvements they can provide, just the raw rate of damage adjustment, as far as I've seen matching math for.

Back in 2.x my Skill Speed was, when right at the crucial rotational plateau, probably my largest dps contributer, and shuffling around secondary stats at the same ilvl and roughly the same accuracy showed this in my parses. The issue was simply the massive TP drain.

That said, this level of skill speed seems excessive. If his attack rate were about 3.3% less, he could still get every Dancing Edge in time, perfect his Shadow Fangs, and get the Aeolian Edge lineup with second Duality.

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Also the very person you probably got those stats from says they're calculated based off normal amounts a person is likely to have, and that the weighting would go up if you went all out on it.