DRK Change in Patch 3.07

From the patch notes:

"Blood Weapon now applies an effect that reduces the TP cost of weapon skills by 20%."

Assuming 0 skill speed (it won't be, but lets assume), without BW:

15s = 6 abilities = 2 combos of 190 TP each = 380 spent. Recovery is 60TP every 3s, so 300 recovered for net -80TP

With BW:

15s = 7 abilities = 2 combos of 190TP plus an addition 70TP = 450 spent, less 20% = 360 spent. Net -60TP

It seems to me as if the offset really doesn't help TP issues that much, but it's nice to know at least now using BW won't make you run dry even more quickly.

Will be nice to try it out though, to see if the changes makes a impact. I suppose you will mainly notice this if you are OT.

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Originally Posted by Kydi

It seems to me as if the offset really doesn't help TP issues that much, but it's nice to know at least now using BW won't make you run dry even more quickly.

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Which is suspect is the point to the change.

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Originally Posted by Kydi

With BW:
15s = 7 abilities = 2 combos of 190TP plus an addition 70TP = 450 spent, less 20% = 360 spent. Net -60TP

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With old BW :
15 = 7 abilities = 2 combos of 190TP plus an additionnal 70TP = 450 TP spent. Recovery is 60TP every 3s, so 300 recovered for net -150TP.

So you "save" 90 TP every 40s, not that bad. Doesn't do anything when MT'ing though. But I guess you could pop some Unmend to keep your TP afloat.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

With old BW :
15 = 7 abilities = 2 combos of 190TP plus an additionnal 70TP = 450 TP spent. Recovery is 60TP every 3s, so 300 recovered for net -150TP.

So you "save" 90 TP every 40s, not that bad. Doesn't do anything when MT'ing though. But I guess you could pop some Unmend to keep your TP afloat.

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Ya will give it ago tonight, one more level to go on DRK. See the changes in effect.

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Originally Posted by LordHousewife

You're saving 20 not 90 because 70 of that 90 is going to another Hard Slash. Without BW you get 6 GCDs in 15s. With BW you get 7 GCDs in 15s.

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With the old BW you also got 7 GCD.
You're saving 90 when compared to the previous Blood Weapon.

What's the point of comparing the TP drain with and without Blood Weapon ? You don't need to prove that you burn TP faster with BW...

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

With the old BW you also got 7 GCD.
You're saving 90 when compared to the previous Blood Weapon.

What's the point of comparing the TP drain with and without Blood Weapon ? You don't need to prove that you burn TP faster with BW...

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Blood Weapon will now be a (very minor) TP gain though. Without BW you have a net -80 over the 15s window, with BW a net -60 over the 15s window, so a slight reduction in TP spent.

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Originally Posted by Kydi

Blood Weapon will now be a (very minor) TP gain though. Without BW you have a net -80 over the 15s window, with BW a net -60 over the 15s window, so a slight reduction in TP spent.

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It's still useless to compare the two...

Blood Weapon IS a DPS gain, so, you'd have used it anyway.
Before patch 3.07, it was a TP loss of 150TP, now it's a TP loss of 60TP.

Uhh are you guys kidding me? You all trolling or something?
Dark knight hardly needs to use TP, in fact this patch just shat on us.
I use enough TP to maybe pick my nose and scratch my ass.
Maybe it's just the macros I have set up? I doubt it.
Even if I decided to ONLY use hard slash, I am STILL not using enough TP.
So what are you all on about? Unless we get SS down to 0, i'll never use enough TP before it regenerates completely.
What we need is the ability to use Blood Weapon no matter what.
Abyssal drain needs a 2x buff to it's dark arts ability, LD need to freaking work, and Shadow Wall? That should cover the whole party, I'm sorry it just feels redundant to me atm.

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Originally Posted by Yamedo

Dark knight hardly needs to use TP, in fact this patch just shat on us.
I use enough TP to maybe pick my nose and scratch my ass.

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That makes you unique compared to every other dark knight in the world then.

Maybe when AOE tanking, sure, you're using a lot of mana abilities. But in a single target rotation on a boss DRK is the most TP intensive class of all - they need to use 70/60/60 TP every single GCD, they dont get invigorate/equilibrium and the game's passive TP regen is 60 every 3 seconds. In long fights you -will- run out unless there are substantial breaks for regen or you're getting perma goaded. Obviously this only applies to long fights on raid bosses.

With zero skillspeed (so 2.5 GCD) doing your 70/60/60 rotation you use 190 TP every 7.5 seconds. That's 760 TP every 30 seconds. You regenerate 60 TP every 3 seconds, which is 600 every 30 seconds. Thus with zero skillspeed a DRK loses 160 TP every 30 seconds. 320 lost in one minute. 960 lost in 3 minutes. That means you can fight for just over 3 minutes before you completely run out of TP. Increasing skillspeed starts to reduce the time you can last even further.

Paladins are in the same boat - they can ease this via Shield Swipe use when MTing but don't have the luxury when OTing as they wont proc it from blocks.

Are you maybe putting in AOE abilities and Unmend into your single target rotations? This alleviate's TP loss, sure, but is a substantial DPS loss too. You mention macros too... what macros are you using? Are you macroing your combos together or something so they don't fire off at maximum speed?