Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

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this post is annoying me beyond measure. You do realize that there are TOTALLY new players around ? yes ? that never played it, that are just geared for Ex Primals and so is perfectly NORMAL to ask infos, help tips, guidance from the veterans and more so from Mentors, designated to actually help newbies. Is normal they ask, they never been there. Your comments is hugely ignorant (as in ignorant). You cant know a job before you actualy factually do it, and to do it, you need to be explained, I dont think you are born with instant knowledge and perfection in everything including that which you dont know ? why shoudl the rest be different ? Expectation of a Mentor that uses MEntor roulette is this of explaining to whoever is knew what there is to do and how....that is what they undertook when they became MEntors. Of course, they may not know it themselves, then they should say it. Your attitude is simply beyond words

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

If people ask in extreme what they are supposed to do, I leave, simply because that is my expectation to them. If people want to get supported by Mentors, they have to work as well.

This is no one sided route, it goes in both directions. You may call me strict but I just reflect those high expectations back at them.

Mentors have a bad title atm because people expect them to wipe their asses and do their work for them.

I refuse that. If people have prepared, I will give it my all for extremes. If they were even too lazy to watch a short guide, then I am too lazy to waste my time.

It's that simple.

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Then stay out of DF and use PF.

to be honest most newbies that find their way into a random Extreme Trial Duty Finder group probably don't even know what they're getting themselves into.

most people who know that Ex trials are no easy task - and that there's the much easier unsynced alternative - won't even bother looking at the DF when it comes to Ex trials.

It's, frankly, not their fault for being unprepared.

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

Mentors have a bad title atm because people expect them to wipe their asses and do their work for them.

I refuse that. If people have prepared, I will give it my all for extremes. If they were even too lazy to watch a short guide, then I am too lazy to waste my time.

It's that simple.

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You are vastly over exaggerating how much help you need to offer as a Mentor. Most players will accept if you at least attempt the fight a couple of times. Most fights you can also quickly explain in about 3-5 lines of text. How is that wiping their asses? Like why be a Mentor at all if your minimal effort is ...well ZERO since you just leave immediately if you happen upon something harder than Ifrit story mode and people are not 100% prepared.

No one said to do all the work for them, a basic explanation goes a long way and barely takes any time to offer. Not to mention just, I don't know, sticking around to try the fight a couple of times to make more than zero effort would at least let them see some of the fight and help them if they attempt to go again.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

I reckon if SE didn't include EX trials it would be a much better experience for everyone overall.

EX related things I think should always be relegated to party finder and premade groups, but I doubt SE will ever change that now.

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they are really old item level 60+ fights and don't even deserve to be called extreme anymore.

I don't care if you we wiping but if nobody speaks english and nobody knows the strategy, I will try to vote abandon.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

@Naesaki (my hero !!! you dont want to move to Balmung?)

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I'm flattered Mei but unfortunately I am very taken with Odin server and I don't think my net would like me very much for trying to play on the highest pop american server :P

The recent replies to this thread is what terrifies me about hitting 60. I can (and do) spend what feels like hours watching videos and reading guides before tackling a new dungeon and trial, but I'm still going to need a quick run down before it begins. And as a healer, most guides are from a tanks perspective, and I have to rely on my knowledge of my skillset more so than a video.

I don't want to be that person who has mentors drop me because I ask for a quick run down prior to beginning. I don't want to feel like I'm hindering the party because I'm a hands-on learner rather than one who can just retain the five minutes worth of video I just watched on repeat for the twentieth time.

I know this community has more kindhearted players than bad. But it's far from comforting to know that simply because I'm new and learning, I'm not worth wasting time on.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

I'm flattered Mei but unfortunately I am very taken with Odin server and I don't think my net would like me very much for trying to play on the highest pop american server :P

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dont worry I perfectly understand that, even the *over populated thing*...you my Hero of the day !

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Originally Posted by alythias

I don't want to be that person who has mentors drop me because I ask for a quick run down prior to beginning.

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Even worse, the mentors who leave as soon as they see the bonus notice, without even giving you a chance to say you know the dungeon because you watched the guide/are on an alt.

But although that sucks, at least you have the knowledge that they screwed themselves out of a good run and a free bonus because they decided to be lazy jerks. :)

*angry vent*

Astro with i230 relic weapon on 60 dungeon roulette (aetherochemical research whatever sp, so prolly spamming that for next step).
The astro used 2 balance cards in all dungeon (first boss and second boss, on the bard always, I was on smn).
On the way to 3rd boss he had balance card held for like already 5 min and I tell that he's holding that card like it's the ring of power, his reply is that getting a balance is really hard...
Ofc we do 3rd boss, and he never used that card (maybe is holding it for the next extreme primal he does next year or something), he also never popped cleric stance to dps at least, if you're not gona keep popping cards at least dps, but ofc no, that's asking too much.

Don't know why this astro really made angry, maybe bc it was the first class I leveled in HW and I thought it was gona be my main, then I realized it was way gimped compared to SCH and WHM back then, but NOW? with all the buffs the class got? seeing people playing the class this bad makes enrage for real, no wonder other people still thinks astro suxs seeing people play the class terrible.

*end vent*

Most of the time when I've gotten Ex Primals in mentor Roulette they ended in failure.
However, I wouldn't call them wastes of time because I did see the new players improve quite a bit. I don't mind staying for the full time so long as the group wants to keep trying.

Honestly in my experience most new players in Extreme Primals haven't done any research and don't realize they're a huge step up from HM.
I can't really blame them. The story and HM modes get stomped into the ground by overgeared players these days, new players have no reason to expect Ex to be any different.

This thread sure did derail...

Trying to get my Wiping City in before reset. After many deaths, a few rejected abandoned duties, and half of the alliance replaced, we did it with 20 minutes to spare. (Then I proceeded to NQ an Ironworks Ring of Crafting at 93%. ._.) Mondays, I tell ya.

Just got Titan Normal in leveling roulette.
Had a first-timer too.

Everything was going great. Until...somehow I got hit by the push back ability at the VERY end and fell to my death.
I never thought that day would come again.

And in the end I got all 3 comms.

I went MSQ as AST, just before going to bed. It's Praetorium. At this point, I'm almost falling asleep at my keyboard, but it's my last roulette, so I'm pushing it out.

That said, I'm still conscious enough to notice that we have a new person in the party, which would be fine, if said new person wasn't an arcanist with 2.2k HP. And if they weren't "using" Topaz Carbuncle for some inexplicable reason. And maybe if they actually did something useful, instead of standing around next to the lift, watching as everyone else kills the trash, without lifting a finger to help.

I try to ask why they're an arcanist at level 50. All I got in response was "yes?". I decide it's not worth it and drop the matter. As the run goes on, I'm getting more and more annoyed due to lack of sleep, constantly drawing nothing but Ewers and Spires, and the other AST overwriting my hard-won AoE Balance with AoE Spear. At Nero, I snap and just give up. I'm not going to bother trying my best as I usually do, I'll just half-ass everything with AoE heals. Oh, look, the other AST gave us AoE Arrow? Nah, screw that, AoE Ewer for EVERYONE! Who DOESN'T need MP?!

At the Ultima Weapon, I'm actually afraid we wouldn't make the DPS check, so I start DPSing. The other AST seems happy enough to just stay out of Cleric Stance and throw out heals. The ACN dies multiple times, still using Topaz Carbuncle as if that will protect them from the AoEs that killed them, but whatever, I refuse to waste MP ressing a completely useless player. The other AST picks them up anyway, 3-4 times in total.

So at the end, for playing AST with all the intelligence of a tree, I still get a comm. I'm not really sure why, and I don't really care, but I suppose it says something that an AST who overwrites cards with an Ewer can still get a comm.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

I went MSQ as AST, just before going to bed. At this point, I'm almost falling asleep at my keyboard, but it's my last roulette, so I'm pushing it out.

That said, I'm still conscious enough to notice that we have a new person in the party, which would be fine, if said new person wasn't an arcanist with 2.2k HP. And if they weren't "using" Topaz Carbuncle for some inexplicable reason. And maybe if they actually did something useful, instead of standing around next to the lift, watching as everyone else kills the trash, without lifting a finger to help.

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Everytime I see a Summoner/Arcanist underperforming to a ridiculous degree it makes me ache inside. I'm nowhere near the best summoner but I'd like to think I'm decent...

I was salty earlier in here but I actually have a cool story. I played wiping city for the first time. it actually went really well. at 2nd boss there was a point where my alliance was the only one left alive. 8 ppl verses a raid boss and we held it for a solid minute while our healers healed us and raised other alliance healers so they could lb3

it was mega exciting learning mechanics on the fly

I was crafting an expensive piece of gear and failed 9 hasty touches in a row at an 80% success rate...

Okay, I know it's not in the duty finder, but it definitely counts as a horror story.

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Originally Posted by KeiranOlive

I was crafting an expensive piece of gear and failed 9 hasty touches in a row at an 80% success rate...

Okay, I know it's not in the duty finder, but it definitely counts as a horror story.

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Wow, my record is only six in a row. Sorry that happened to you :/ RNG is evil.

A while back I queued up for The Sunken Temple of Qarn when I was leveling my Archer. The PLD tank would only use shield lob as his attack and spoke only Spanish.

We managed to beat the first boss, but booted him since he couldn't keep aggro and was trolling.

Ran the Sasha dungeon on my paladin recently. I thought I was playing WoW again, people pulling for me, not attacking my target, the works. Not to mention the 4-5 Flashes I cast, and still get aggro pulled off me. Ran out of MP 2-3 times during that run (it's either Savage Blade or Riot Blade, I can't do both), so the other 3 got to do some tanking as well. And at the end of it all I ended up with 3 commendations out of it. People are strange. :\

A while back, two of my buddies and I decided to do a roulette. We end up in Sastasha (woohoo) with a tank who's new. I'm guessing this tank was a child or something, because he didn't do anything the whole time accept attack 1 enemy at a time. My rogue friend ended up being the tank the whole instance, while my hunter friend would take off anything that tried to murder me. (I was the healer) And then we have the supposed to be tank just hitting 1 guy in a corner. It was honestly a good laugh XD Was pretty fun too running in circles with all those enemies after me. Wasn't a horror thing for us, but thought I'd share anyways.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Schmoe

Ran the Sasha dungeon on my paladin recently. I thought I was playing WoW again, people pulling for me, not attacking my target, the works. Not to mention the 4-5 Flashes I cast, and still get aggro pulled off me. Ran out of MP 2-3 times during that run (it's either Savage Blade or Riot Blade, I can't do both), so the other 3 got to do some tanking as well. And at the end of it all I ended up with 3 commendations out of it. People are strange. :\

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I have a feeling those 3 were together. They were probably just having fun in their own way.
When leveling my tank to 60, my friends always purposely attacked whatever I wasn't attacking. But it was their way of "training" me. Now I'm always constantly paying attention to every enemy always tabbing to each one after every 1 to 2 attacks... @_@;;
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Ran Cutter's Cry two separate times as AST - the first time, the DPS was very low for the Chimera. One of the DPS used a level two limit break, but the boss still had a lot of health left. Finally, it died after what felt like an hour. (I'm going somewhere with this, I promise) I ran it again later and when we get to the Chimera, one of the DPS was in a cutscene. Instead of waiting, the tank decides to pull the boss. Naturally, they get locked out. Ironically, the boss went down much faster with one dps than two.

In other news, I ran it again later on when I finally got Spread. I have mouseover macros for Draw and Royal Road, but I forgot to make one for Spread, so I ended up using a Balance and Bole on myself. GOOD JOB

Yesterday went into Mhach as tank. To make it short, not even one wipe also not even 1 gear piece or ANY item for me at all.

Well I got my coin so I'm still happy. ;)

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

Yesterday went into Mhach as tank. To make it short, not even one wipe also not even 1 gear piece or ANY item for me at all.

Well I got my coin so I'm still happy. ;)

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I made pretty much the opposite experience in Mhach yesterday. Joined in progress on my BLM as I already had coin and matter, only the loot was left, it was the third week of desperately trying to get the caster robe. It was the third run of Mhach that day, previous parties were full of mages so I lost the caster robe twice to them ;_; This time it wasn't better, a BLM and two SMNs, and when I joined group B, the alliance chat was literally flooded with people flaming. I learned that the raid just wiped at Ozma for the third time, that they managed to get the boss down to 14% in the first try, but after that, all the good players left.

Okay, a challenge. I accept it.

Try #4. I get a meteor marker, place it on the side platform left of us, while group A places theirs right of them, making it stack with mine, at the same time, group C places theirs too close to our platform. Group B gets literally annihilated. Our healers get raised, pull out raises to the summoners and then ENTER CLERIC STANCE. A lot of raising later our group finally wipes on the Atomos thingy while A and C are already dealing with the Ozmashade. People start releasing, after the Ozmashade phase, our dead bodies get teleported to our platform, other people die, I get a raise from another group's healer, accept it without noticing that everyone else is dead, so I'm the last man standing and get shot down by Ozma LOL.

Our tank starts spamming vote abandon. I mean, really spamming. When it's declined, they start another one, a total of four times, but it never gets through, and they don't leave either. Some people... but nevermind.

Try #5. This time group C gets wiped for whatever reason, so they're not available during Ozmashade, a shitload of people gets gaoled, we somehow don't manage to kill the Ozmashade before Doomsday smashes us. I really like the look of FFIX's Doomsday, and the FFXIV one isn't less impressive. I was actually kinda happy to have had the chance to see it. Yes, I'm crazy.

Try #6. Several people in our group die due to healers addicted to Cleric Stance (#selenedoesallthework), but people finally place the meteors right and we kill Ozma. Phew. Someone opens our chest... Yafaemi Jacket of Casting!!! And I won the roll against three other casters :') Feels so good. And looks swishy as shit, I love it!

It was my very first dungeon, Satasha. The entire run was a pain - the tank couldn't hold aggro on more than one mob at all times. Needless to say, whenever I healed I got aggro. It wasn't that big of an issue though, I could heal through the damage from the mobs and was lucky I didn't get too many interrupts so it was fine. Besides, the tank was a sprout, I was a sprout, we're both learning so no problem. That's until we came to the last boss. Said boss spawned one helluvalot of adds and, again needless to say, one heal and I grabbed the aggro. Now, these adds were a lot stronger than the random mobs in the dungeons so I found myself getting my booty kicked. I ran up to the tank, running around him and somehow finding the time to yell "TANK HELP ME" in chat. No response. I die, tank dies, DPS dies, my very first dungeon ends in a pathetic wipe. So I say, "Tank could you please take the adds off of me, I can't heal when they're attacking me."

To which the tank, the gladiator, the big hulking mass of armoured Roegadyn, answers, "We have no tank."

Yet again needless to say, my first dungeon experience in FFXIV wasn't exactly a good one.

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Originally Posted by Sai_Arakaki

I have a feeling those 3 were together. They were probably just having fun in their own way.
When leveling my tank to 60, my friends always purposely attacked whatever I wasn't attacking. But it was their way of "training" me. Now I'm always constantly paying attention to every enemy always tabbing to each one after every 1 to 2 attacks... @_@;;
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Okay, that makes sense. I figured this would've been like my Dzamael Darkhold run that went south, resulting in the other guys making a beeline for the exit without even grabbing loot, like "Get me outta here! This tank sucks!" Now it's like "Hey, you had aggro trouble and you couldn't handle all the extra monsters we pulled for you because you kept running out of MP. Good job, man!" Huh?

Haven't quit a duty in a long time, lucky I guess. But the other day I just couldn't be arsed and took the penalty.
Levelling roulette on astro, got Sastasha with a fresh DRK. We pop, he goes "fresh DK, no idea what the skills do". I was typing some advice as he continues "and I don't read the tooltips cause Im a dumbass". I cancel what I was typing, and two groups of mobs later that he facepulled and didn't even attempt to tank while I was getting beaten up I say "gg" and leave.

Some days ago I tried DF for Titan X since I still have the kettle quest hanging there. Bad idea.
Only 3 players knew what they were doing, me included, rest no idea and a drg and whm said they were new. Fair enough, explanations were given, spots were marked, there we go. I think the first try we didn't even make it to second set of plumes, but no worries, we try again. We all were new at some point and I have no problem with that. The amount of medica2 spammed was a bit worrying (both whms were spamming everytime the GCD was up) but meh whatever. We try again.
Adjustments were made, we kept wiping but overall improvement was made. Except: my fellow blm was all the time near the far edge which caused the plumes to spread everywhere since melees also weren't always cluttered in one spot. I advised him to stay with the group and explained how the plumes worked, he said it sucked but ok, he'll stay with the group. The other problem were the whms. One complained he always was out of mana so I suggested to not spam medica2 when people were full hp, to only use it when needed, and another player suggested again (this was said on every try) for the healers to stay away from the group for gaols. The whm that said at the beginning she was new, complained then asking how she could medica2 when she had to stay away. I said "if you really insist on spamming medica2 you can do it from the edge, it will reach everyone", which it does when Titan reduces the ring, and really before that you don't need such a spam.
Try again, apparently deaf ears for the whms since they kept doing their thing. The new one even spammed medica2 before pull and regened both tanks, I think she did it out of despise, and god how I hate the sound of medica2. Again we wipe, it's a mix of freeing the healer first from gaol, then the dps, ppl getting knocked off with landslide, plumes again everywhere, gaols too close together due to whms coming in to spam medica2; we made it a few times to heart and even once to egi adds with half of the party dead. Then the new whm gets advised to stay at Titan's arse when he lifts the leg. What does she do? She goes to the other side, to the leg that's down and gets knocked off. Le sigh.
20 minutes left, and vote abandon pops up. I think I never clicked "yes" so fast. I swear I went that night to bed still with the bloody sound of medica2 in my head.

Got kicked for the first time in over two years from Keeper of the Lake for AOE'ing mobs of 3+ as a BLM. And I quote from both the healer and the tank... "BLM's don't AOE. They are for single-target only. You need to learn your class". The other DPS and I thought this might be a lame attempt at humor. It was not.

What kills me is that the tank was obviously extremely new (at least to tanking) based on his gear. But the healer, if I remember correctly, had the Archmage title.

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Originally Posted by alythias

The recent replies to this thread is what terrifies me about hitting 60. I can (and do) spend what feels like hours watching videos and reading guides before tackling a new dungeon and trial, but I'm still going to need a quick run down before it begins. And as a healer, most guides are from a tanks perspective, and I have to rely on my knowledge of my skillset more so than a video.

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Don't worry about it for dungeons or for normal/hard content - going in blind is fine if you're observant, or just reading a quick text guide. Being well prepared or frustrating people is more a thing in extreme/savage content, which you shouldn't try unless you really want a challenge and feel comfortable with your job.. Which might take awhile after you hit 60. Extreme/savage can be extremely frustrating and difficult without a "static" group.

Had my weekly run in Mhach (god forbid I run that more then 1 per week)..it was one of those days wherre your internet decides that everything has to go wrong...Every action were like 2-3 secs late, I did warn I had that problem comp freezing action stopping bah. Until final boss though I managed to keep alive, I died once but yeah..survived with some luck. Last boss though is another story, I kept dying to basically every aoes...mind you I was in good company, we wipped 4x before to pass the last boss, I still had those delays and it was nightmarish...but what was more silly is my co-healer that right before we started the last boss said that he didnt like to run with people that didnt know their stuff...next you know she was the one dying in all aoes even before me having to deal with death. I rezzed her 4x in one of our attempts, rezzed others from other groups, and still she couldnt stay up to a poin tthat my mana was lowest to the lowest even when using the drain and stuff....it was...one of my worst run in more then 2 years...but still nice to know I wasnt the only one in that boat...albeit I can blame my internet, I Wonder what the rest has for an excuse. Sometimes, you are glad to know why you die and know there is little you can do (had I know better the place I would probably been able to anticipate but 2 runs is n ot enough for that)

I did Void Ark for the first time a few days ago. The first run was easy and cool, with people making jokes and stuff. Got 2 pieces of the fending set, Nice.

A few runs later, I wanted the helm and, luckly, got it in the first boss. Nice! full void ark set!

I was equipping it when the raid locked me outside the 2nd area. Well, okay, I'll catch them later. And then I was waiting, but I my mom called me to do something for her and went AFK. I even wrote in chat, "brb".

I came back 1~2 minutes later, and they wore in the second boss. My Alliance votekicked me from the raid, with one of the healers calling me useless.

Still got the helm, worth it.

Was running Sohm Al as a DRK, when a level 60, 230 ilevel Astrologian says "Hello, I bought this account, its my FIRST TIME. We wiped in minutes, and sent a report to SE. I guess websites sell characters now too.. :/

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Was running Sohm Al as a DRK, when a level 60, 230 ilevel Astrologian says "Hello, I bought this account, its my FIRST TIME. We wiped in minutes, and sent a report to SE. I guess websites sell characters now too.. :/

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Haha... at least they were honest?

I've been doing a ton of runs in the Weeping City for weeks trying to get the yafaemi pants of fending. Monday alone I did three runs before finally looting something I didn't even want just to get a drop.

Yesterday I ran it in the morning, evening, and did a late night run just on the off chance I might get them. It was a rough in-progress run. They were at Forgall, 2nd boss, and there were two wipes right when I joined because C's tank kept pulling before the raid was ready. They dropped or were kicked, got a replacement, and we finally cleared.

Imagine my joy and astonishment when the fending pants dropped! I passed on the monk pants, needed on the fending pants, got the loot, rejoiced in FC chat, went to equip my new pants...

And I couldn't equip them. I'd looted the striking pants by mistake, in my haste, excitement, and extreme fatigue (I was up very late).

Was completely crushed but I stayed with the alliance through the end, even when we wiped at Ozma.

Was doing roulettes for the first time in about a month (post-relic grind for esos/poes and just taking a break to focus on crafting/gathering), and got ARF for my Lvl 60. Other DPS wasted LB on the trash pull before the second boss (which they were almost all dead because we were all extremely geared). We asked them why they would waste the LB on trash right before a boss, and this was their response:

"Because the LB resets before every boss."

Commence extreme head-desking. They argued with the entire party the rest of the run when we told them LBs don't reset in 4-mans. Just 24-mans. Response: "I've been running this dungeon all day, so I would know lol."

More head-desk.
Also, why would you run ARF multiple times when it gives such crappy rewards? Even the eso boost still isn't worth it. Not saying the dungeon is hard--just really long. :/

Got bitched at for knocking back mobs on summoner...when using Ifrit /facepalm

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Was doing roulettes for the first time in about a month (post-relic grind for esos/poes and just taking a break to focus on crafting/gathering), and got ARF for my Lvl 60. Other DPS wasted LB on the trash pull before the second boss (which they were almost all dead because we were all extremely geared). We asked them why they would waste the LB on trash right before a boss, and this was their response

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In all fairness, I'd rather see them used on mobs so the run goes quicker. Let's be honest, generally the other DPS will just waste it at .000001% of the boss's health anyway haha. Now if the trash mob was almost dead.... that's another story.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

"Because the LB resets before every boss."

Commence extreme head-desking. They argued with the entire party the rest of the run when we told them LBs don't reset in 4-mans. Just 24-mans. Response: "I've been running this dungeon all day, so I would know lol."

More head-desk.
Also, why would you run ARF multiple times when it gives such crappy rewards? Even the eso boost still isn't worth it. Not saying the dungeon is hard--just really long. :/

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It's more effective to use LBs on trash anyway but there are places where it does reset when starting boss battles such as the lvl 50 MSQ roulette instances.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Was doing roulettes for the first time in about a month (post-relic grind for esos/poes and just taking a break to focus on crafting/gathering), and got ARF for my Lvl 60. Other DPS wasted LB on the trash pull before the second boss (which they were almost all dead because we were all extremely geared). We asked them why they would waste the LB on trash right before a boss, and this was their response:

"Because the LB resets before every boss."

Commence extreme head-desking. They argued with the entire party the rest of the run when we told them LBs don't reset in 4-mans. Just 24-mans. Response: "I've been running this dungeon all day, so I would know lol."

More head-desk.
Also, why would you run ARF multiple times when it gives such crappy rewards? Even the eso boost still isn't worth it. Not saying the dungeon is hard--just really long. :/

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While they are wrong that LB doesn't reset before every boss, even if the mobs were mostly dead, I am confident that the aoe LB did more damage there then a single target on the boss. It's hardly a waste.