Gender locked race?

Ooooh! The new Khajiit models look interesting. Never thought ESO devs had it in them but looks like they're putting a lot of work into Elsweyr.

But back to FF14- oh... wait...?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/7665...8501/tenor.gif

Huh.

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Originally Posted by Insainbutterfly

Super disappointed with the genderlock on the races. Hoping that Square will remedy this by patching in the male and female genders respectively in the 5.x series.

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Instead of releasing another limited job no one will play within a few weeks they can add male viera and female hrothgar in one of the 5.x patches.

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Originally Posted by Efrye

This is not how designing an AAA game usually works. Choices like this are not driven by artists, but by suits.

But either way, no matter how you justify the decision, the way they handled revealing the information was definitely poor.

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It doesn't change my answer, who specifically makes the decision. The company as a whole is the outfit putting together and tendering the product and I maintain that they remain free to do so on terms they are willing to do so. However, the comment I quoted was about a developer's own preferences factoring in, in any case.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

FF10 Ronso have females, yes. But I repeat, this is FF14, and we know absolutely nothing about our "Ronso".

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That's asinine and you know it, for that point there was no reason to make Viera female only either.

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Originally Posted by Thefates

That's asinine and you know it, for that point there was no reason to make Viera female only either.

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No, what's asinine is the fact you people assume that similarity/reference = exact copy.

Reposting this from the other thread just to voice my displeasure: I literally have never posted on the official forum before, and registered JUST to voice my displeasure with the introduction of gender-locked races. It's profoundly regressive and utterly frustrating. Please consider adding male Viera and female Hrothgar. I'm so tired of hulking male races and willowy female races in games. I was ready to throw my money at fantasia to become a bunny-boy and that money is gone now.

There are certain aspects of stories that you expect to exist.


You expect a beginning, middle, and end. You also expect that if there are men, then there must also be women, and vice versa. If there isn't, there should be a damn good explanation.


For an MMO, you expect to be able to play both as a man or a woman. MMO's don't necessarily even have a beginning, middle, or end, but at the very least being able to play as a man or a woman has been a necessity from the very beginning of MMO's. It's even sometimes a feature in single player games, let alone multi player.


For the lore not to facilitate it is no excuse, because those who are putting it in the game are those who are responsible for the lore.


Even GW2 gave you female Charr, or abominations as I like to call them, but at least they exist. GW1 female Charr looked closely identical to male Charr, which was acceptable enough to me. However we don't have that here.


In the end, a player who is playing a Ronso or a Viera cannot have a straight same race eternal bond, which seems somewhat ridiculous.

I'm legitimately curious about this - who actually asked for or wanted the Hrothgar?

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

No, what's asinine is the fact you people assume that similarity/reference = exact copy.

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Okay then, why did the Viera have to use their "existing lore" as an excuse for their female only status then?

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Originally Posted by decoratibo

I'm legitimately curious about this - who actually asked for or wanted the Hrothgar?

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I didn't ask for them but I do want them now :o

https://66.media.tumblr.com/2d9f2d67...rnkgo1_540.png

I would like to add to the pile of feedback and politely voice my own displeasure with gender locked races, especially after the declaration that they would attempt to limit genderlocking in the future after adding the male bunny suit items.

And not to get too political but having yet another popular mmo with a big, complexly designed, and feature-interesting muscle bound dude race with an underdressed sexy female only race is also a bit much. I really thought they were better than this.

I feel bad for Ronso. Would have been cool if they came as their own separate race, but since they've come as a "replacement" for another race's gender they'll be shunned by the greater community for taking it away.
If they just made both Viera genders and released Ronso at a later date none of this backlash would happen.
#ronsodidnothingwrong

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Originally Posted by Thefates

Okay then, why did the Viera have to use their "existing lore" as an excuse for their female only status then?

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Because they added Fran to their lore I guess.

They've already made this mistake in 1.0 for those of us who have really been devout fans and witnessed firsthand with male miq and fem roe. I will log on and post every day until they add both sexes for each race and I encourage those who feel strongly enough to do the same. /day 1

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Originally Posted by Thefates

Okay then, why did the Viera have to use their "existing lore" as an excuse for their female only status then?

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Because if you talk to the Wandering Dramaturge on the Prima Vista in Kugane, you can read Viera lore. It's already in the game beyond just Fran showing up.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

No, what's asinine is the fact you people assume that similarity/reference = exact copy.

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They literally look identical to Ronso and share a name. What more do you need, an alliance raid?

Genderlocked races after this long? Didn't they learn from the disappointment with Au Ra gender dimorphism, catboys, roe ladies, all of it????

Incredibly disappointing, hoping they change their minds.

Edit 9/2019: After all the information that came out, I get it. I know why they did what they did. And I would much rather have a dev team that doesn't overwork themselves than two full new races.

Popping into voice my displeasure as well.

Gender locked races are disappointing across the board. Didn't they already fix this exact mistake in 2.0 with the Male Miqo and Female Roe/Highlanders? I can't believe they did the same thing again. If they'd come out and said 'hey we're not ready to do female Hrothgar/male Viera but we have plans to' it'd probably have done a lot to quell the storm, as it were. But here we are. In 2019 and thinking gender locked races are acceptable lmao.

The worst timeline.

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Originally Posted by BiddyBatnana

Because they added Fran to their lore I guess.

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They showed a "khimari-like" Hrothgar next to an image of Fran today too, don't forget. So even that looks like it won't be an excuse. Even when there is one it seems like it'll have to be pretty bull.

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Originally Posted by decoratibo

I'm legitimately curious about this - who actually asked for or wanted the Hrothgar?

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Quite a lot of people have requested a playable race along the lines of the Ronso over the years. It just so happens that whenever they were brought up the same sort of scathing commentary and rage you see in response to the gender lock was thrown their way. I would have preferred them to be a bit closer to Byakko in terms of design, though I'm very happy for those who I know wanted a 'bestial' playable race. Which isn't a small number at all.

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Originally Posted by Aurou

Because if you talk to the Wandering Dramaturge on the Prima Vista in Kugane, you can read Viera lore. It's already in the game beyond just Fran showing up.

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Oh come on now, they literally just added that in with the newer raids. The only reason to make that decision is because they decided they didn't want the males anyways.

Sooooooo that person who called people dumb for calling them Ronso, but they're literally called Ronso in the alternate shard. SE employee officially trolling us with leaks XD?

Also oof on the gender lock but I guess it was one of the plausible realities so I'm not too shocked. Shocked dancer is not healer though, that took me by more surprise.. Wonder if this Gaia hammer job will turn out to be a healer?

Would hope people who wanted the gender lock undone can stay civil (and resilient), I feel that it would be plausible that SE unlocks them later. . . unless the explicit reason they're locked is because one or both of the big devs recoiled so hard they put their foot down in which case good luck :( @_@.

Would certainly be awesome to see the male Viera and female Ronso.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Quite a lot of people have requested a playable race along the lines of the Ronso over the years. It just so happens that whenever they were brought up the same sort of scathing commentary and rage you see in response to the gender lock was thrown their way. I would have preferred them to be a bit closer to Byakko in terms of design, though I'm very happy for those who I know wanted a 'bestial' playable race. Which isn't a small number at all.

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I had to re-read my post to make sure I didn't sound like I came in gloating.. Because I'm not happy some people are sad, but I did think it was cool they actually went through with making Ronso.

For the two clans, unlikely, but very cool if the Ronso race had a Byakko like body option (given the sliders and such- they did talk about how much advanced customization these two races will have).

Posting to also show my displeasure in this. It's such a copout on the devs end.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Please link me a timestamp where they say "Hrothgar are literally an exact copy of the Ronso from Final Fantasy X". From what I saw, they share nothing except the name, and that is only in another dimension.

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...031&height=596

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Sooooooo that person who called people dumb for calling them Ronso, but they're literally called Ronso in the alternate shard. SE employee officially trolling us with leaks XD?


Also oof on the gender lock but I guess it was one of the plausible realities so I'm not too shocked. Shocked dancer is not healer though, that took me by more surprise.. Wonder if this Gaia hammer job will turn out to be a healer?

Would hope people who wanted the gender lock undone can stay civil (and resilient), I feel that it would be plausible that SE unlocks them later. . . unless the explicit reason they're locked is because one or both of the big devs recoiled so hard they put their foot down in which case good luck :( @_@. Would certainly be cool to see the male Viera and female Ronso.

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-shakes fist at you-

It was you all along! Nah, grats though - but yeah, bad times.

The room was dead silent after they announced them. :x

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Originally Posted by Duskane

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Ok, so the Hrothgar go by a different name in an alternate universe like every other race? They don't officially mention FF10s Ronso at all.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Sooooooo that person who called people dumb for calling them Ronso, but they're literally called Ronso in the alternate shard. SE employee officially trolling us with leaks XD?


Also oof on the gender lock but I guess it was one of the plausible realities so I'm not too shocked. Shocked dancer is not healer though, that took me by more surprise.. Wonder if this Gaia hammer job will turn out to be a healer?

Would hope people who wanted the gender lock undone can stay civil (and resilient), I feel that it would be plausible that SE unlocks them later. . . unless the explicit reason they're locked is because one or both of the big devs recoiled so hard they put their foot down in which case good luck :( @_@. Would certainly be cool to see the male Viera and female Ronso.

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That's my ideal solution really, getting them both at a later date, perhaps with an MSQ excuse. As it stands now this pretty heavily divides the community.

girls should be allowed to present themselves as powerful, and boys should be allowed to look elegant. literally the only thing sparking my interest in continuing to play was the idea of bunny boys. 100% done now. square lives in a world where boys play with trucks and girls play with dolls, and its profoundly difficult to be anyone that doesnt fall into a painfully backwards and categorically stereotypical gender archetype.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Ok, so the Hrothgar go by a different name in an alternate universe like every other race? They don't officially mention FF10s Ronso at all.

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they do though
even made Khimari and Fran to showcase there character creator

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Ok, so the Hrothgar go by a different name in an alternate universe like every other race? They don't officially mention FF10s Ronso at all.

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https://i.imgur.com/sePpfyN.png

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Originally Posted by IzabelVarosa

girls should be allowed to present themselves as powerful, and boys should be allowed to look elegant. literally the only thing sparking my interest in continuing to play was the idea of bunny boys. 100% done now. square lives in a world where boys play with trucks and girls play with dolls, and its profoundly difficult to be anyone that doesnt fall into a painfully backwards and categorically stereotypical gender archetype.

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I say fight for what you believe in! Don't give up. Log on every day and post in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

The room was dead silent after they announced them. :x

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Not quite - they did cheer, but it was a bit delayed. Could be genuine excitement, could be "oh yeah, we should probably cheer now or it'll be awkward".

(I'm thinking of after the video though, can't remember what the reaction was when they showed the first picture.)

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Originally Posted by Duskane

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That is what you call an easter egg, an homage. Not "This is them, they are Ronso!", that's also why they choose to call them Hrothgar in our shard because they are not the Ronso we know as opposed to the Viera.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Quite a lot of people have requested a playable race along the lines of the Ronso over the years. It just so happens that whenever they were brought up the same sort of scathing commentary and rage you see in response to the gender lock was thrown their way. I would have preferred them to be a bit closer to Byakko in terms of design, though I'm very happy for those who I know wanted a 'bestial' playable race. Which isn't a small number at all.

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I must have missed this then, but I can understand why people would want a bestial race. However, they've effectively dumped around half of that population by gender-locking it to men only. I can also imagine they lost another chunk of that population just by virtue of how ugly they are...I'm getting more Cats the Musical as played by Roegadyn vibes rather than actual bestial qualities lol. I feel like not very many people saw the reveal and went "Oh, finally!!!! This is exactly what I wanted!" but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

they do though
even made Khimari and Fran to showcase there character creator

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You're all missing my point completely. Nowhere at all did they say "we have introduced the Ronso from FF10", this means the "wah no females" is completely irrelevant, because 14s Hrothgar are not Ronso. Lore wise, we know absolutely nothing about them other than the fact they look like Ronso and happen to share the name in an alternate shard. For all we know, female Hrothgar just don't exist in the world of 14.

Of course they would allow you to make Khimari/Fran lookalikes, this is fanservice fantasy after all. To expect anything different wpuld be idiotic.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Not quite - they did cheer, but it was a bit delayed. Could be genuine excitement, could be "oh yeah, we should probably cheer now or it'll be awkward".

(I'm thinking of after the video though, can't remember what the reaction was when they showed the first picture.)

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Some people who are there mentioned there being audible disappointment from people, but its hard to say.

I hope they add a future patch to fix this, gender lock it's always been a really bad idea. I want delicate boys and strong women, I want to choose what to be. I'm a girl that plays as a handsome miqo'te. Let me choose!!! D:

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Originally Posted by Shougun

For the two clans, unlikely, but very cool if the Ronso race had a Byakko like body option (given the sliders and such- they did talk about how much advanced customization these two races will have).

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Yeah, I'm going to reserve my full judgement for when we get to play around with customisation options and see how they look in-game in cutscenes and such. At the end of the day, if I don't like them there are multiple playable races that I do like the look and feel of.

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Originally Posted by faris_minamino

I hope they add a future patch to fix this, gender lock it's always been a really bad idea. I want delicate boys and strong women, I want to choose what to be. I'm a girl that plays as a handsome miqo'te. Let me choose!!! D:

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You're not starved for those aesthetics. You can already customise characters to look exactly that way if you wish.

Personally I'm glad that we're getting something genuinely unique in the form of a proper 'bestial' race.