What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Whether the Golbez arc goes anywhere in the future, we can't really say yet.

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we will go to the void one day this was an opening arc. SE likes to gives backstory super early before going into the expansion that goes into the story. they have done it before with the warriors of darkness.

Im glad Golbez arc ended and hope we can finally continue with a real adventure. Also, I'm not really a fan of them adding tidbits from other Final Fantasy titles to the MSQ. Sidequests, sure no biggie.
But FFXIV should still focus on it's own thing.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Im glad Golbez arc ended and hope we can finally continue with a real adventure. Also, I'm not really a fan of them adding tidbits from other Final Fantasy titles to the MSQ. Sidequests, sure no biggie.
But FFXIV should still focus on it's own thing.

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Sigh not this again. Say hello to once again 90% of the entirety of this game.

Its ok to say you didnt care for the FFIV references but dont go around acting like FFXIV had any originality in its story and design. Its written and created to be a FF series theme park. Its time to open your eyes to the truth buddy

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Sigh not this again. Say hello to once again 90% of the entirety of this game.

Its ok to say you didnt care for the FFIV references but dont go around acting like FFXIV had any originality in its story and design. Its written and created to be a FF series theme park. Its time to open your eyes to the truth buddy

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Can you tell me which parts of the MSQ are basically retellings of other FF games?

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Originally Posted by KenZentra

Can you tell me which parts of the MSQ are basically retellings of other FF games?

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Patch 6.1-6.5 is pretty much a retelling of ff4 and there is lots of other final fantasy references throughout the main story. I don't know why people keep denying all the references and how certain parts of the story play out exactly like the older ff games.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

...how certain parts of the story play out exactly like the older ff games.

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Like what? I think we all know 6.1-6.5 is a retelling. What else is a retelling in MSQ?

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Originally Posted by KenZentra

Like what? I think we all know 6.1-6.5 is a retelling. What else is a retelling in MSQ?

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If people have to point out every reference/retelling it seems the people that has to be told of every retelling/reference didn't pay much attention to the story. The whole integration of crystal tower in the story was a big reference to ff3. The whole dynamis thing is retelling/retooling something from ff11. There are plenty more retelling/retooling of various other final fantasy lore/references.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

If people have to point out every reference/retelling it seems the people that has to be told of every retelling/reference didn't pay much attention to the story. The whole integration of crystal tower in the story was a big reference to ff3. The whole dynamis thing is retelling/retooling something from ff11. There are plenty more retelling/retooling of various other final fantasy lore/references.

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A retelling and a reference to something are not the same thing. Otherwise we are going to have to call the first boss of Keeper of the Lake a retelling of the side-scrolling shoot-'em up, Einhander.

Crystal Tower, yeah thats kinda true, it still sits in my head as non-MSQ cause it wasnt when I did it and I think you could argue its just putting the final dungeon of FF3 into FFXIV since I don't think there is actually that much story in FF3 when you are in the CT... Its more like clear the dungeon, kill the boss, beat the game at that point.
Using the same name as something else from another game is something every FF game does, so I don't think that really matters when talking about retelling. Like in FF11, there is a dude named Gilgamesh, but he isn't the dimension hopping Gilgamesh everyone knows.

As for dynamis specifically, I never played FF11, but all I can find about it is that it is a place (specifically a parallel dream-world to the main world) not a type of energy or whatever.

Either way, my point in asking about retellings is that the story for these past few patches sucks because it is a retelling of FFIV. Its no surprise either that the story of Crystal Tower in ARR isn't that great either, and the fact is showed up later for ShB is just cause it was convenient and wasnt some planned idea all the way back from ARR. References, yeah they are everywhere and I prefer original ideas rather than throwbacks.

That being said, until someone shows me, there are not that many (if not only 2) retellings of other FF games. (Which btw doesnt mean I think the story is some award winning thing, I just think its okay.)

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

Ahh, thats nice but you dont care for the question?

Its true and everybody is entiteld to their opinion but its besides the point of the argument and is an answer to something what was NOT asked or discussed.
As if i asked about a soccer match and youre answer is i like soccer.. yeah fine but my question ? I like it and i will not aopologize!!!!!
In a university you would get a zero aka a fail for this, at work you would get scolded or worse fired.

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I apologize, you seem to be under the impression that I'm interested in debating with you about your criticisms of the story. I'm not. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. And I told you what my opinion was. That's really it. At the end of the day, this is entertainment and the only question that interests me is whether or not I enjoyed it. I did, therefore it's a good product. End of story. Lali-ho!

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Originally Posted by Tahbitha

I apologize, you seem to be under the impression that I'm interested in debating with you about your criticisms of the story. I'm not. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. And I told you what my opinion was. That's really it. At the end of the day, this is entertainment and the only question that interests me is whether or not I enjoyed it. I did, therefore it's a good product. End of story. Lali-ho!

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You're on a discussion board trying to nix discussion after inflaming discussion lol. Living up to that server name.

Anyway, you do know it's entirely possible to enjoy something wholeheartedly, but still see where it is flawed? Like I love The 7th Saga, but it honestly:

Has pretty lackluster music without a lot of variety.
Was tuned in the wrong way by its localization team, making it harder than its Japanese version, Elnard.
Has a broken stat increase exploit for one character that makes 6 hour speed runs possible. Eww.
Has middling replay value mostly due to its character selection.
Has several points of no return that can soft lock your saved file

In spite of all that, I love The 7th Saga. You'd probably see it in my top 10 or top 20 games. But you probably won't see it in most folks top games. It's just not as good as other things.

You can enjoy and love Endwalker all you want, but it won't make it a good story by that "virtue."