Post Your Solution For Gil Generation

one thing to make the gil sinks to get less notice is maybe increase the gil you make selling items.
also when you get allagan everyone gets 1 or 2 instead of just 1 and also that we get better and better depending on level(not not already exist)

Gil Generation is fine. The problem is personal wealth. Someone else is making the sacrifice to increase their own wealth through leves and other avenues and is willing to spend it on the market. If you are worried about repairs, that means you need to increase your personal wealth. Let other people do the generating for you and you sell/craft/spiritbond to make sure you get yours. On goblin, battledance III materia is between 80k to 150k and they sell daily. There is no problem with gil generation. And as long as people pay that kind of gil, there will always be a perceived gil problem, because prices are way too high, yet people are buying.

Can anyone link the source where Yoshi states that they are increasing the amount of gil generated into the game? Google has failed me :confused:

Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

If you can still sell it to others for so much more, that only tells me that the amount of gil generated elsewhere in the economy is too great for generating gil via leves to be efficient. Prices have to fall considerably, beyond mere supply differences; in particular, you have to see generator prices plummet. I still made 200k gil on HQ hi-pots while leveling ALC, selling them to other players. People have the gil to be willing to invest that much. It's not going to go the other way, either. Basically, there's still too much going in for what's going out to make a difference. From an overall standpoint, gil is still accumulating, and that's bad. Yoshi is adding more gil generation because people whine that nobody gifted them 10,000,000,000 gil per day for being soawsum50. He knows damn well that will wreck the economy, and will price houses at probably 5-10 mil to make it work while he readies more sinks.

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The gil accumulation you're talking about is from the one-off quests.

And frankly, you just have no idea wtf you're even talking about. Lemme break this down for you:

Yoshi admits there's not enough gil being generated. He has specific, real #s to go off of. Those of us who know something about economics could see this was a fact even without his statement (although his statement backs up what we've been saying).

Your assertion to the contrary has nothing but speculation to back it up.

Ok, so, in the simplest terms possible:

Facts are more valid than speculation.

Yoshi mentioned nothing about the actual amount of gil generation. What he talked about was personal player reward for repeatable combat related activities. That's a completely different topic. There is zero evidence of lack of gil generation. Anyone suggesting such a thing is basing it off of really bad assumptions and nothing more.

*If* there is a real threat in the future of excessive gil deflation (there isn't now), SE could implement a bitcoin mining difficulty mining type system. There could be an algorithm that adjusts leve, dungeon and fate gil rewards based on the total amount of gil on the server and the average amount of players on the server within the past couple of months.

Just some off the top of my head:

1. Conversion option for tomestones to gil.
2. Conversion option for GC seals to gil
3. Scaling item sale value with spiritbond (even if not 100%)

It's a choice between tomestones or gil, GC seals or gil, and materia or gil. I think choice is more interesting that just getting it all.

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Originally Posted by Orsnoire

The gil accumulation you're talking about is from the one-off quests.

And frankly, you just have no idea wtf you're even talking about. Lemme break this down for you:

Yoshi admits there's not enough gil being generated. He has specific, real #s to go off of. Those of us who know something about economics could see this was a fact even without his statement (although his statement backs up what we've been saying).

Your assertion to the contrary has nothing but speculation to back it up.

Ok, so, in the simplest terms possible:

Facts are more valid than speculation.

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Fact: Repeatable leves can generate 1500 gil for HQ turn-ins x 3 in Coerthas. 4500 per total turn in if you are geared correctly and can HQ. At 100 leves x 4500 gil you will have made 450,000 gil. Of course that's if you have banked all the leves. If not, 6 daily leves x 4500 gil = 27,000 gil. Or you can wait the 17 days for a full 100 leves.

Pure profit assuming you also gather. You can use the market to buy your mats at the cost of your own profit.

Fact: People do not want to spend the time or effort to level gathering or crafting.

Fact: That's their problem.

Speculation: Yoshi-P saying there is not enough money being generated.

Fact: You can 'farm' goods as a DoW or DoM to put up on the market, such as gathering and crafting materia, drops for crafting, tomes for potash, coke etc.

Fact: By asking for more gil generation, you are in turn asking for more inflation.

Fact: The gil sinks is what gives gil a base value. Removing sinks, or even reducing them, reduces the value of gil.

Is that enough fact for you? Or would you like more? In any economy, there is always someone who works harder and profits more. Since each player is their own 'business' only the ones who are willing to work harder profit.

TLDR: you're doing it all wrong.

I leveled my alchemy up from 41 to 50 by just buying things off the MB and turning them in with leves. I spent 46k, and walked away with 52k after I was done turning in the leves. So by leveling my alchemy, I brought back into the world 6k of gil.

People do not want to spend time crafting and farming, they just want to do their 25 dailies a day and get gil that way.

There is no problem, I repeat no problem bringing gil into the economy, people are complaing about undercutting... In Wow you had an add-on that actually undercut FOR YOU. You put something up for sale, and it did the work for you and undercut the previous person between 1 to 10%. This is supply and demand. Again, for me, I put a stack of Mega-potions on the MB for 200 gil for 99, for a couple of days they were selling like hotcakes, then suddenly they stopped, when I checked why, there were stacks of 99 being sold for 125 gil, I left my stacks alone and 3 days later they are selling like hotcakes again.

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Originally Posted by davidbowie

lol really you run badboy thats why you don't get tells from gold farmers but they are there yes and they sell gold because people buy it and yes people craft in wow and make gold just like people craft in ffxiv so please lets not go there and act like uh it dont happen on other mmo's bullcrap!

and gear on wow is expensive i play on one of the highest populated servers to date and i can tell you yes they exist and yes the ah market is high and people do make money from crafting the nice thing you can repair your own gear in this game if you just do the damn tradeskills.....

by the way the gear sets look like crap in wow since mop and repairs are cheap its the mats that are expensive and you have to do raids to get many of the higher level mats and patterns...

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Yeah, they are there. But they don't mass spam and no one really buys them. The currency is easily generated to maintain any personal costs, and crafted equipment is rare, if ever, best in slot. You could run Karazan up to Attumen and sell all the drops to the NPC right next to him and be able to afford repairs for well over a week. Gil still has a HIGH value in the economy and gear hierarchy on this game with limited means of accumulating it thus making it more likely to get spammed with gil ads because it's more likely that players WILL buy it. I'm almost positive they had a customer base with all the ads for 1,000,000 gil for $3. Prices were wildly high at the start of the game because pricing was set as though every player had thousands or millions readily available on a new server for the launch of a new game. And yes, we ALL could repair our own gear if we leveled the crafts, but like I said I would pretty much need to level EVERY craft to repair my gear palette and then there's the costs of some of the dark matters to do that as well as the costs of leveling the crafts (both in gil and time.) Not everyone is running around with a million gil and several level 50 crafting classes. But this is personal gil gain and not gil generation as a whole on the server.

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Originally Posted by C-croft

Fact: People do not want to spend the time or effort to level gathering or crafting.

Fact: That's their problem.

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People dont pay for the sub so they can work in a virtual sweatshop. They pay to play a game, relax and watch their pixels do awesome stuff like slaying dragons.

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Originally Posted by C-croft

Fact: Repeatable leves can generate 1500 gil for HQ turn-ins x 3 in Coerthas. 4500 per total turn in if you are geared correctly and can HQ. At 100 leves x 4500 gil you will have made 450,000 gil. Of course that's if you have banked all the leves. If not, 6 daily leves x 4500 gil = 27,000 gil. Or you can wait the 17 days for a full 100 leves.

Pure profit assuming you also gather. You can use the market to buy your mats at the cost of your own profit.
Fact: People do not want to spend the time or effort to level gathering or crafting.

Fact: That's their problem.

Speculation: Yoshi-P saying there is not enough money being generated.

Fact: You can 'farm' goods as a DoW or DoM to put up on the market, such as gathering and crafting materia, drops for crafting, tomes for potash, coke etc.

Fact: By asking for more gil generation, you are in turn asking for more inflation.

Fact: The gil sinks is what gives gil a base value. Removing sinks, or even reducing them, reduces the value of gil.

Is that enough fact for you? Or would you like more? In any economy, there is always someone who works harder and profits more. Since each player is their own 'business' only the ones who are willing to work harder profit.

TLDR: you're doing it all wrong.

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I guarantee I have more gil than you. So LOL at your "you're doing it all wrong" garbage.

Ignoramus is ignorant.

your real TLDR should read: TLDR: I like economies where gil is highly valued, and don't understand macroeconomics.

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Originally Posted by Gallows

People dont pay for the sub so they can work in a virtual sweatshop. They pay to play a game, relax and watch their pixels do awesome stuff like slaying dragons.

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The crafting system in this game is way more complex, fleshed out and more fun than the combat system. My signature proves that some people do play this game for the crafting more than the combat. And you're more than welcome to go slay all of the dragons you want. Just don't expect to get rich doing it. This is an MMORPG. It's a digital alternate universe. It's not Diablo.

In real life people do crafting as a way to have fun and relax. I don't know many people who go to war or do guard duty for fun. That's a literal sweat shop.

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Originally Posted by busta

The crafting system in this game is way more complex, fleshed out and more fun than the combat system. My signature proves that some people do play this game for the crafting more than the combat. And you're more than welcome to go slay all of the dragons you want. Just don't expect to get rich doing it. This is an MMORPG. It's a digital alternate universe. It's not Diablo.

In real life people do crafting as a way to have fun and relax. I don't know many people who go to war or do guard duty for fun. That's a literal sweat shop.

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Lol @ previous threads containing gil spent sellswords that lacked DoL/DoHs. After the main scenario and side quests your "mighty warrior" is pretty gil-less after a couple weeks or so.

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Originally Posted by Orsnoire

I guarantee I have more gil than you. So LOL at your "you're doing it all wrong" garbage.

Ignoramus is ignorant.

your real TLDR should read: TLDR: I like economies where gil is highly valued, and don't understand macroeconomics.

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I actively study economics and have gone through many dozens of economics books by a large number of major economic authors. There's nothing technically inaccurate about what this man said. All you did was engage in a bunch of ad hominems while failing to provide any real critique or alternative analysis.

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Originally Posted by busta

I actively study economics and have gone through many dozens of economics books by a large number of major economic authors. There's nothing technically inaccurate about what this man said. All you did was engage in a bunch of ad hominems while failing to provide any real critique or alternative analysis.

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That guy is claiming servers are losing Gil while boasting that he has lots of it himself.

He's also calling everyone else ignorant.


It's not worth it, trust me...

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Originally Posted by Gallows

People dont pay for the sub so they can work in a virtual sweatshop. They pay to play a game, relax and watch their pixels do awesome stuff like slaying dragons.

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And you still can. I gave you alternatives for making money to provide you with enough income to power through your weekly repair bill.

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Originally Posted by Orsnoire

I guarantee I have more gil than you. So LOL at your "you're doing it all wrong" garbage.

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Then where is this gil problem you keep crying about?

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

We understand that the cost for dark matter when using Grand Company seals is rather high at the moment, and we will be taking a look at the amount of Grand Company seals everyone possess and plan on making it so you can exchange them for dark matter at an appropriate price. This adjustment will be made in patch 2.1.

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Using GC to repair merely bypasses gil reduction - it does nothing for gil generation, which is what this thread is about.

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Originally Posted by Laryndra

Ive created well over 15m since release.. Craft. Lol.

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You didn't "create" any gil. You merely traded it from other people that "created" it.

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Originally Posted by C-croft

Fact: People do not want to spend the time or effort to level gathering or crafting.

Fact: That's their problem.

Speculation: Yoshi-P saying there is not enough money being generated.

Fact: You can 'farm' goods as a DoW or DoM to put up on the market, such as gathering and crafting materia, drops for crafting, tomes for potash, coke etc.

Fact: The gil sinks is what gives gil a base value. Removing sinks, or even reducing them, reduces the value of gil.

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you forgot some important FACTs


Fact: Using the Market Board DO NOT PUT GIL in to the Game, it REMOVES IT

Fact: leveling your Crafter class or gather maths on DoW or DoM do not put gil in the the Game it only transfer between players if you do not sell to NCP

Fact: using the Market Board make Gil disappear and transfer between players not Generate

Fact: Levels, FATEs. Dungeons, Quests or selling stuff to NCP is the ONLY way to Generate Gil.

Fact: so if you can't make more then you use let say a endgame person use 10k Gil in repairs each 5th run he needs to make 10k gil in 5 runs or find a way to make 10k Gil for WITHOUT losing more in repairs.

Fact: if you cant make more Gil then you use, you got Gil problem.

yes you can use gear that you can soulbind or craft your own gear and save the trouble that way but the issue is that this should not be the case in my option.

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Originally Posted by lyse20

you forgot some important FACTs


Fact: Using the Market Board DO NOT PUT GIL in to the Game, it REMOVES IT - This is to increase your personal wealth to afford your own gear repairs, purchases etc. Take care of your own repairs and gear. That's what people want right?

Fact: leveling your Crafter class or gather maths on DoW or DoM do not put gil in the the Game it only transfer between players if you do not sell to NCP - Incorrect, read again the portion regarding the use of your leves, which is used for leveling and gil generation.

Fact: using the Market Board make Gil disappear and transfer between players not GenerateSame as your first bullet point.

Fact: Levels, FATEs. Dungeons, Quests or selling stuff to NCP is the ONLY way to Generate Gil.DoW/M's problem is personal wealth to afford gear/repairs. DoH/L have no problems with gil generation or personal wealth. Use an alternative to increase your personal wealth. That's what should matter to you.

Fact: so if you can't make more then you use let say a endgame person use 10k Gil in repairs each 5th run he needs to make 10k gil in 5 runs or find a way to make 10k Gil for WITHOUT losing more in repairs.Lucky for you, gear repairs have been brought down. It should not cost 10k per 5 runs. You can't throw random numbers out because the max cost of repair is your baseline. No one is going to do the work for you anyway. Your runs, your work.

Fact: if you cant make more Gil then you use, you got Gil problem.Yep, a personal one.

yes you can use gear that you can soulbind or craft your own gear and save the trouble that way but the issue is that this should not be the case in my option.So you want welfare?

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enjoy
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I would also like to add that on Goblin, the going rate for tome crafting mats is about 30k. Potash is 125 tomes of philosphy, going through CM grants 100 per run(correct me if I am wrong). After 5 runs and a '10k' repair bill, you can buy 4 potash with 500 tomes . That is 120k worth of mats. 110k profit. That's 50 runs worth of repairs. Plus another 10k for teleporting everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Strelnikov

MY Solution!

Every person in my blackballed gil seller page needs to loose all their money and have it passed over to all of us, collectively.

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Wont work. The players sending you tells are usually normal player accounts who were either hacked, or tricked into "power leveling". These are not the accounts that actually have the gil, but are usually the ones getting banned. Unless we can get people who actually utilize gil sellers to turn in those accounts who send them the actual gil, its pointless. Now, this will never happen, because buying gil gets the same punishment as selling it. So what is happening in this case is hacked accounts and buyers are getting banned, sellers remain free to sell.

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Originally Posted by valhalla

You, as a lvl 50 pug, could make 50k gil off me per day. Just me. But you don't. You don't take the time to find what gathering skills of yours are marketable. And when you fools have something marketable...You sell it for pennies, because you don't know its market value, because you never found out, because you don't care. Then you complain that you're broke. I love it, keep doing what you're doing. Keep allowing me to bank of of your hard work, then blame the game for your shortcomings. You probably don't know but I'm making bank because of you.

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Finding something marketable is not always the issue. As a miner, I found a item that actually made a profit. Next day, the price dropped 300%, because people were looking for a quick sell. Tell me how dropping something from 100 gil an item to 10 in a matter of hours is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Jilse

Finding something marketable is not always the issue. As a miner, I found a item that actually made a profit. Next day, the price dropped 300%, because people were looking for a quick sell. Tell me how dropping something from 100 gil an item to 10 in a matter of hours is a good thing.

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Tell me how it's good if gas suddenly drops to 35 cents a gallon tomorrow? It's good for the consumer.

This is an mmo. And it's brand new. Supply and demand for goods are going to rapidly fluctuate. And since the game is new people are still trying to figure out a proper market price. I've personally found tons and tons of extremely profitable stuff. They all fluctuate but I still make big gil off everything regardless. If the recent sell history isn't what I'm wanting, I'll sell for higher or hold on to the goods until prices go up.

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Originally Posted by Jilse

Finding something marketable is not always the issue. As a miner, I found a item that actually made a profit. Next day, the price dropped 300%, because people were looking for a quick sell. Tell me how dropping something from 100 gil an item to 10 in a matter of hours is a good thing.

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If you found something that was shorter on supply at the time, awesome, but if supply increases, you will get undercut. If it was a quick sell, the prices will rise back to what it was before. If it stays low, time to move on to other mats and bank what you do have left for when the supply drops. Sometimes, it's more work than it's worth.

The best way to make money is mining I feel. Anyone can do it, hell I even found a picture of a Lalafell miner.
http://i.imgur.com/oTs3k2U.jpg

Repeatable Quests.. Daily's,Weekly's etc,maybe even adding tomes as a reward for these missions as well

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Originally Posted by Ghozt

Repeatable Quests.. Daily's,Weekly's etc,maybe even adding tomes as a reward for these missions as well

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Agree. Repeatable quests- different kinds of them- is a good solution for gaining gil every day

Tokens are the best security measure against being hacked, to a degree. NEVER click a link in your email, ALWAYS go directly to the SE account management site, or the prefered point of interest on the OFFICIAL website. And the only solution to end gilsellers, is stop buying gil or characters.

If you suspect the email you got is a phishing one, change your email address in your account asap.