New coliseum gear too lewd

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

Long story short, Neomarl is one of those players that are unhappy no matter what SE gives them.
*Bikinis aren't sexist but this armor set clearly is... LOLLOGIC*

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What you just said now was sexist. idk where but I'm sure it is.

Oh wow really sexism because of some skimpy cloth in a game, really? For crying out loud ever went outside in the summer?
Girl's 14-16 in a bra (boobs falling out) and tight shorts with camel toe.
If women want to whine and bitch about sexism and being "used" maybe don't dress like a slut 24/7. Don't go to bars and show some boobs for a free drink or a meal. Seriously what you expect



Feminism is a lost cause and pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

For the dozens of you people saying that it's not a big deal because male characters can equip it also; you're wrong. It is not possible to be sexist against men.

And before you think I'm not serious, I assure you I am. How often do you see men offended by other men in skimpy suits? Never.
Now see how often we women get offended by such things, even in video games? Very often, and for good reason. Just look at "Tropes vs. Women" on Kickstarter. She got funded 158k $ because this is a real world problem that needs to stop.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...s/posts/242547

And like it or not, there are a lot of us who support such things and won't accept the blatant misogynist characteristics in FFXIV and other video games.

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Forgive my bluntness but...

Are you an idiot?

And in case you aren't aware, stupidity doesn't discriminate with gender.

Thank to Cherelle on Ragnarok server for pointing this out to me, realy interesting that you post about this when you yourself were asking for the swimsuits and here is the link

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ghlight=bikini

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Originally Posted by mekia

Oh wow really sexism because of some skimpy cloth in a game, really? For crying out loud ever went outside in the summer?
Girl's 14-16 in a bra (boobs falling out) and tight shorts with camel toe.
If women want to whine and bitch about sexism and being "used" maybe don't dress like a slut 24/7. Don't go to bars and show some boobs for a free drink or a meal. Seriously what you expect



Feminism is a lost cause and pathetic.

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You've really been looking at them kiddies haven't you? >.> Dangerous waters.

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Originally Posted by mekia

Oh wow really sexism because of some skimpy cloth in a game, really? For crying out loud ever went outside in the summer?
Girl's 14-16 in a bra (boobs falling out) and tight shorts with camel toe.
If women want to whine and bitch about sexism and being "used" maybe don't dress like a slut 24/7. Don't go to bars and show some boobs for a free drink or a meal. Seriously what you expect



Feminism is a lost cause and pathetic.

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With all due respect, teaching women and girls to loath their bodies and hide them in shame is NOT a feminist idea. Indeed, it is a very classic misogynistic attitude born from the false notion that it is women's fault that men feel attracted to them. Let us also consider that we are not born, nor intended to be clothed by nature.

It is attitude, not attire which denigrates women (or men).

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

With all due respect, teaching women and girls to loath their bodies and hide them in shame is NOT a feminist idea. Indeed, it is a very classic misogynistic attitude born from the false notion that it is women's fault that men feel attracted to them. Let us also consider that we are not born, nor intended to be clothed by nature.

It is attitude, not attire which denigrates women (or men).

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The human form is the most beautiful creation in all of nature. We should not be ashamed of it certainly, but on the other hand, we must not cheapen it by appealing strictly to arousal.

Of course not, but it is pure hyperbole to claim that the developers have done so.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

With all due respect, teaching women and girls to loath their bodies and hide them in shame is NOT a feminist idea. Indeed, it is a very classic misogynistic attitude born from the false notion that it is women's fault that men feel attracted to them. Let us also consider that we are not born, nor intended to be clothed by nature.

It is attitude, not attire which denigrates women (or men).

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actually with the feminists they are of two minds of it... go figure some oppose it and some don't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_sex_wars

me the only thing I'm against is if it's not tastefully done which these outfits are fine just could use a bit of tweaking. Though I do like the all black concept. (it at least hides the blood) you would be thinking of a more liberal woman or the "hippy" movements where sex or even the body of any human being wasn't considered a shame but something of beauty like in the
Italian Renaissance time period as well. Or even anything before the middle ages where the concepts of it weren't held in too much of a conservative light even then some cultures still had the belief of conservative women, but I'm talking more of like the greco roman areas and such. Hell during days of the Roman Gladiators sometimes the women even fought topless soooo.....

I consider myself a feminist, but these clothes don't bother me. They're an aesthetic set that you DO NOT HAVE TO WEAR. No one is forcing you to. People can dress this way in real life because they choose to, just as people can dress this way in a video game if they CHOOSE to. This gear set is not something ANYONE will wear in a serious setting. Thus, you will never be pressured to wear it for any reason.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I consider myself a feminist, but these clothes don't bother me. They're an aesthetic set that you DO NOT HAVE TO WEAR. No one is forcing you to. People can dress this way in real life because they choose to, just as people can dress this way in a video game if they CHOOSE to. This gear set is not something ANYONE will wear in a serious setting. Thus, you will never be pressured to wear it for any reason.

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trust me I'm a feminist myself though i'm more of a liberal type of feminist. I believe that a woman should be able to do what ever she wants. As long as A: she can do it. B: know's how to do it and C: accepts whatever consequences that said actions involve. If I found that gear demeaning that I would have to find anything that's like that and worse demeaning. Granted somethings I will never wear just because it's not my style but if I had created a female character. I would have no compunction against wearing that gear for the shear ascetic look of it and it is a nice looking gear set though still could have some tweaks done to it rofl... maybe some flames or on it or something

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Originally Posted by Gramul

The human form is the most beautiful creation in all of nature. We should not be ashamed of it certainly, but on the other hand, we must not cheapen it by appealing strictly to arousal.

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you sir, have put into words what I have been trying to say for quite some time.


Also:
Cement Falcons!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9vx2f_-P6H...cy-Pigeons.jpg

Feminism can be paralleled to Religion.

There are those that are reasonably devout and those that are unreasonable extremists/fanatics.

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Originally Posted by Nyx

you sir, have put into words what I have been trying to say for quite some time.

Also:
Cement Falcons!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9vx2f_-P6H...cy-Pigeons.jpg

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:o DODO! They're so cute!

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

:o DODO! They're so cute!

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I once had a pigeon land on my shoulder and ride on it while I was walking home from school once, no joke. It was acting like it was domesticated or something for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

I am totally disgusted about this new gear.

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Deal with it. It's not going anywhere.

You, on the other hand, can.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Deal with it. It's not going anywhere.

You, on the other hand, can.

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http://imageupload.ca/?di=2V0D

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

http://imageupload.ca/?di=2V0D

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Then you're in store for nothing but disappointment. Curse your own immaturity for the day you quit over something so trivial.

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

http://imageupload.ca/?di=2V0D

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Good thing you're not a minority in this thread....

oh wait.

Don't like it - don't wear it.

P.S. STFU

Yoshi P. been playing Tera Online perhaps :D getting ideas.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

trust me I'm a feminist myself though i'm more of a liberal type of feminist. I believe that a woman should be able to do what ever she wants. As long as A: she can do it. B: know's how to do it and C: accepts whatever consequences that said actions involve. If I found that gear demeaning that I would have to find anything that's like that and worse demeaning. Granted somethings I will never wear just because it's not my style but if I had created a female character. I would have no compunction against wearing that gear for the shear ascetic look of it and it is a nice looking gear set though still could have some tweaks done to it rofl... maybe some flames or on it or something

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Yeah, this gear is definitely not my style. I wouldn't be caught dead in something like this, ever... but it still doesn't bother me. It's all about choice. If this was, for instance, the new AF set for a new job... I could see people getting upset because... "Omg, I have to wear this because it's the best-in-slot for me right now... but I look like a slut and I don't like it!" Nope, this is an aesthetic set, and even the more revealing of the AF sets are still extremely tasteful. Again, it's all about choice. No one is forcing you to wear it.

Arguing over how the armor provides protection with such little cover, yet paladins can't parry with a sword because they are wearing a shield.

FFXIV community for president.

I think they should have their fair share of sexy gear and normal gear. This is FFXIV, not Tera. If you can't handle the sexiness, go play censored Tera with the other 12-year-olds :P Otherwise, these armors aren't so bad, they are very different and unique. I don't see it as sex appeal, I am just really glad they they aren't re-skinned armor, which actually elects some value to them and a desire to get them.

Also very glad you can meld to them ;D

Need more armors with bare shoulders
http://i.imgur.com/FhNvZ.jpg

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Originally Posted by Archie

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3...umgaylerus.jpg

Here's my Dr. Frank-N-Furter impersonation.

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I've watched too much rocky horror I have sweet transvestite stuck in my head now

Edit: I still have that song stuck in my head when I see that pic... dang it now i have to rip the cd i have from rocky horror to get it out...

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

For the dozens of you people saying that it's not a big deal because male characters can equip it also; you're wrong. It is not possible to be sexist against men.

And before you think I'm not serious, I assure you I am. How often do you see men offended by other men in skimpy suits? Never.
Now see how often we women get offended by such things, even in video games? Very often, and for good reason. Just look at "Tropes vs. Women" on Kickstarter. She got funded 158k $ because this is a real world problem that needs to stop.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...s/posts/242547

And like it or not, there are a lot of us who support such things and won't accept the blatant misogynist characteristics in FFXIV and other video games.

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You are paranoid over a video game. Go do some therapy now. I'm serious.

I like the Disciple of War outfit, it looks really cool. Don't care for the mage one but I'm not going to unsub just because I don't like an outfit in game lol. Glad you didn't go anywheres near TERA

I demand maximum lewdness. Someone please post screencaps of ALL races and genders wearing the new gear. I think I've seen dudes of all races so far, but no shots of "lewd" and "trashy" females of non-Miqo'te races.

FFXIV Forum-goers:

http://i.imgur.com/RGaaM.jpg

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Originally Posted by NecridRagnarok

Thank to Cherelle on Ragnarok server for pointing this out to me, realy interesting that you post about this when you yourself were asking for the swimsuits and here is the link

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ghlight=bikini

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Hmmm, either you truly are trolling or you sure have some double standards going on...

Leaning towards trolling now.

omg thats sick why would you post a Male on that gear

just to clarify something, my reaction to that gear on a male has nothing to do with the problems the starter of this thread has with the females, I would never ever wear it couse it just aint right on an elvaan atleast, ive seen lalafel or w/e with it and its not bad, Galka or w/e there called now look cool with it, havent seen a hume male with it on, but it just dont fit the vibe the elvaan give, thats my opinion, oh I do have a set of both gears and when I remake as a male Mi'qoe or w/e the spelling for Mithra is now you can be sure as hell ill be wearing both full time, obviously not when doing stuff

its hard to type here /cry, have to explain every little detail so ppl dont get upset over shit, like you know someone will say "lol you wear that for events and stuff" and the answert is no just no I dont

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

And before you think I'm not serious, I assure you I am. How often do you see men offended by other men in skimpy suits? Never.
Now see how often we women get offended by such things, even in video games? Very often, and for good reason. Just look at "Tropes vs. Women" on Kickstarter. She got funded 158k $ because this is a real world problem that needs to stop.
<URL removed so as to not endorse stupidity>

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Some real world problems are starving children in Africa, oppression of womens' rights, and famine in North Korea.

Skimpy outfits and sexualizing characters in videogames are not real world problems. What a disgusting comment.

Most women I know have some common sense. They embrace this kind of stuff. In fact, not only do they accept it, they support it, because they don't lock their sexuality up and send it off in a rocket to a distant galaxy. They eat up fanservice just as much if not more than the guys do.

A person of sound mind would not be disgusted by this sort of thing. You might complain it is objectifying the female body, but the fact that a person would be complaining about showing off the female body is hypocritical to that sentiment. You are objectifying the female body by treating it as a thing that should be covered up. That is what I do not understand about feminists that argue these sorts of points. It is ridiculous. Instead of taking subject matter normally like "hey it's my body it's a beautiful thing", they treat it like a sexual object that should not be displayed.

There's a lot of sexualizing men too. If you can't see it in this game you are pretty damn blind. Also, I know some men who are offended by skimpy man dresses, and they're just as asinine.

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

It is not possible to be sexist against men.

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I laughed pretty hard. XD
Of course it is possible! It happens all the time. It's pretty ignorant to think it can only be one-sided.

Just an example to show it can happen (though unrelated): My father is very sexist towards men. If he sees a man show any kind of emotion he picks on them and calls them girly/wimpy/unmanly.

Men DO get treated with sexism for their appearance as well. Just like women do at times.

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

For the dozens of you people saying that it's not a big deal because male characters can equip it also; you're wrong.

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I have a huge issue with sexism of any kind, but I just have to call bullshit on this..
SE is not being sexist. The outfits are equally showy for both sexes and have NOTHING to do with objectifying.
PEOPLE objectify people. Outfits do not.

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Originally Posted by AngelicBeing

I demand maximum lewdness. Someone please post screencaps of ALL races and genders wearing the new gear. I think I've seen dudes of all races so far, but no shots of "lewd" and "trashy" females of non-Miqo'te races.

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okay. /10char

http://filesmelt.com/dl/FFXIV_13436041811.jpg
http://filesmelt.com/dl/FFXIV_1343614252.jpg
http://filesmelt.com/dl/FFXIV_13436142531.jpg

@OP: You're not going to have a constructive discussion about these outfits on here. Speaking to them like they should understand institutionalized sexism, objectification, and other basic feminist concepts will just end like it did here: a bunch of kids derailing. I mean, look at this:

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Just an example to show it can happen (though unrelated): My father is very sexist towards men. If he sees a man show any kind of emotion he picks on them and calls them girly/wimpy/unmanly.

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They think their father is sexist towards men because he calls them women. They seriously brought that as evidence of sexism against men. They don't even see how that's sexist towards women. There's no way you'd be able to explain the difference between a man in a video game wearing a skimpy outfit and a woman in a video game wearing a skimpy outfit; they just wouldn't get it.

The level of mad in this thread is astounding, and it's not even from the OP. It's from all the people upset that someone dare say it's bad to objectify women. Hell, the OP has only made seven posts counting the thread-starter, yet this thing is 36 pages, most of which is slamming them.

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Originally Posted by Ceol

@OP: You're not going to have a constructive discussion about these outfits on here. Speaking to them like they should understand institutionalized sexism, objectification, and other basic feminist concepts will just end like it did here: a bunch of kids derailing. I mean, look at this:



They think their father is sexist towards men because he calls them women. They seriously brought that as evidence of sexism against men. They don't even see how that's sexist towards women. There's no way you'd be able to explain the difference between a man in a video game wearing a skimpy outfit and a woman in a video game wearing a skimpy outfit; they just wouldn't get it.

The level of mad in this thread is astounding, and it's not even from the OP. It's from all the people upset that someone dare say it's bad to objectify women. Hell, the OP has only made seven posts counting the thread-starter, yet this thing is 36 pages, most of which is slamming them.

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Wow... So you agree its impossible to be sexist towards men... Not sure if your just trolling or not... Are you dating the OP?

I found the solution. Replace all gear models with this for females.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A..._I7TrKNeHw2ptQ

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Originally Posted by Ceol

@OP: You're not going to have a constructive discussion about these outfits on here. Speaking to them like they should understand institutionalized sexism, objectification, and other basic feminist concepts will just end like it did here: a bunch of kids derailing. I mean, look at this:



They think their father is sexist towards men because he calls them women. They seriously brought that as evidence of sexism against men. They don't even see how that's sexist towards women. There's no way you'd be able to explain the difference between a man in a video game wearing a skimpy outfit and a woman in a video game wearing a skimpy outfit; they just wouldn't get it.

The level of mad in this thread is astounding, and it's not even from the OP. It's from all the people upset that someone dare say it's bad to objectify women. Hell, the OP has only made seven posts counting the thread-starter, yet this thing is 36 pages, most of which is slamming them.

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actually by their father doing that it is an act of sexism which is defined as a oh f- this


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism


read the first paragraph.... that defines sexism and yes another man calling another man a woman or whatnot because they show emotions is sexist because of the stereotypical man being macho and butch and doesn't show ones feelings

also from there

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Assertive women; for example, are called "bitches," whereas men who lack physical strength are seen as "wimps".

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Originally Posted by Nahaara

okay. /10char

http://filesmelt.com/dl/FFXIV_13436041811.jpg
http://filesmelt.com/dl/FFXIV_1343614252.jpg
http://filesmelt.com/dl/FFXIV_13436142531.jpg

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-_-; No srsly, I wanna see some equal-rights deprived trashy female Hyurs, objectified lewd Lalafell girls, and voluptuously sexist Elezen foxy ladies.