You pull you tank question.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

Find 1 video on youtube of a Savage run where a DPS performs the first GCD without a timer and without the tank GCD being within 0.25s after.

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Keep shifting those goalposts. Who the hell pulls in savage without a timer?

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Originally Posted by LilyPendragon

Keep shifting those goalposts. Who the hell pulls in savage without a timer?

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And what does a timer indicate? A decision made by the group. Thanks for proving my point that a lone wolf DPS making decisions for the group doesn't exist in Savage content.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

And what does a timer indicate? A decision made by the group. Thanks for proving my point that a lone wolf DPS making decisions for the group doesn't exist in Savage content.

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Yes a group decision.
A decision made by the group.
The group's decision.

Not the tank's.

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Originally Posted by LilyPendragon

Keep shifting those goalposts. Who the hell pulls in savage without a timer?

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Seriously.

The only, the only time I see this happen is by complete accident where we all have a little laugh about the whoopsie, the player who did it calling themselves out before anyone else.

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

Seriously.

The only, the only time I see this happen is by complete accident where we all have a little laugh about the whoopsie, the player who did it calling themselves out before anyone else.

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And it's always the damn phys ranged accidentally auto attacking lol

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Originally Posted by LilyPendragon

Yes a group decision.
A decision made by the group.
The group's decision.

Not the tank's.

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1) The tank is the starting button. Without the tank's consent specifically, the group decision means nothing. You either find a tank that agrees with the timer, or you don't run. But as a tank, if I have a DPS or Healer that doesn't agree with a timer, they can be kicked and we can 7man a Savage. I can do trials, alliance raids, savage, some Ultimates without a care for what you or any specific person cares about. Body for body, you're flat out not as important. If every tank in the community said we're doing 10s timers for Savage or Ultimate content, guess what happens? 10s timers happen. Because worst case, tanks would wait until gear upgrades are available and 8 tank content like they did for Savage and Ultimate's already. But you won't find an 8 healers or 8 dps runs of the same content difficulty. And when people realize that, they'd rather cave to what the tank said than not have the highest gear and achievements they could.

2) A DPS pulling extra adds onto a tank in a dungeon without typing in chat to anyone is not a group decision. Hence my point, that they only act that way in content that does not punish them for stepping out of their role.

How fragile is your ego that someone pulling one gcd ahead of you is shattering your world?

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

1) The tank is the starting button. Without the tank's consent specifically, the group decision means nothing. You either find a tank that agrees with the timer, or you don't run. But as a tank, if I have a DPS or Healer that doesn't agree with a timer, they can be kicked and we can 7man a Savage. I can do trials, alliance raids, savage, some Ultimates without a care for what you or any specific person cares about. Body for body, you're flat out not as important. If every tank in the community said we're doing 10s timers for Savage or Ultimate content, guess what happens? 10s timers happen. Because worst case, tanks would wait until gear upgrades are available and 8 tank content like they did for Savage and Ultimate's already. But you won't find an 8 healers or 8 dps runs of the same content difficulty. And when people realize that, they'd rather cave to what the tank said than not have the highest gear and achievements they could.

2) A DPS pulling extra adds onto a tank in a dungeon without typing in chat to anyone is not a group decision. Hence my point, that they only act that way in content that does not punish them for stepping out of their role.

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Come on now, there's no need to be so modest. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

1) The tank is the starting button. Without the tank's consent specifically, the group decision means nothing. You either find a tank that agrees with the timer, or you don't run. But as a tank, if I have a DPS or Healer that doesn't agree with a timer, they can be kicked and we can 7man a Savage. I can do trials, alliance raids, savage, some Ultimates without a care for what you or any specific person cares about. Body for body, you're flat out not as important. If every tank in the community said we're doing 10s timers for Savage or Ultimate content, guess what happens? 10s timers happen. Because worst case, tanks would wait until gear upgrades are available and 8 tank content like they did for Savage and Ultimate's already. But you won't find an 8 healers or 8 dps runs of the same content difficulty. And when people realize that, they'd rather cave to what the tank said than not have the highest gear and achievements they could.

2) A DPS pulling extra adds onto a tank in a dungeon without typing in chat to anyone is not a group decision. Hence my point, that they only act that way in content that does not punish them for stepping out of their role.

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Good god you really are just delusional. Tanks are absolutely not body for body more important than anyone. Otherwise you wouldn't have to wait for gear upgrades to do all tanks runs. How many week 1 all tank clears of a savage tier are there? Oh wait, can't hit that dps check? That's a shame.

This is a team game, and everybody is equally as important.

So moving on from the incoherent screed of point one.

Point two. A dps pulls for a tank, they may be impatient and it could arguably be annoying.
The tank turns of stance and let's said dps die. That is not just annoying, that is flat out griefing. You are actively using game mechanics to kill a member of your party. On purpose. With that as the sole intent.

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1) Who can't live through tankbusters and would die? Healers and DPS. Who can't 8 role EVEN WITH THE GEAR UPGRADES? Healers and DPS. You will wait years beyond what we will to run the same content we're able to. Your job contribution toward a clear is flat out less. I can replace your healing and dps faster than you can replace my defensive stats and health. You're the equivalent of a Tenacity materia vs. a Crit materia. Can you meet a dps check eventually? Sure. But you won't make it as fast as Crit. And people have no problem saying Crit materia are better and more important, more high demand than Tenacity materia. Tanks are Crit, Healers are Det/DH, DPS are Tenacity. Blame the devs that you suck stat for stat compared to me, that you're a secondary factor toward meeting a given content's requirements in a speedy process. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

2) I get tired of ppl doing this stupid strawman. YPYT doesn't have to turn off tank stance to make sure you die.

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1) Who can't live through tankbusters and would die? Healers and DPS. Who can't 8 role EVEN WITH THE GEAR UPGRADES? Healers and DPS. You will wait years beyond what we will to run the same content we're able to. Your job contribution toward a clear is flat out less. I can replace your healing and dps faster than you can replace my defensive stats and health. You're the equivalent of a Tenacity materia vs. a Crit materia. Can you meet a dps check eventually? Sure. But you won't make it as fast as Crit. And people have no problem saying Crit materia are better and more important, more high demand than Tenacity materia. Tanks are Crit, Healers are Det/DH, DPS are Tenacity. Blame the devs that you suck stat for stat compared to me, that you're a secondary factor toward meeting a given content's requirements in a speedy process. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

2) I get tired of ppl doing this stupid strawman. YPYT doesn't have to turn off tank stance to make sure you die.

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You haven't done any content beyond normal and maybe carried through some low level extremes and every word you type out is a clear indicator of that. I don't even need to look up your activity log to tell.

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Originally Posted by Dimi824

You haven't done any content beyond normal and maybe carried through some low level extremes and every word you type out is a clear indicator of that. I don't even need to look up your activity log to tell.

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That's funny. A NIN wants to talk. How much old content in extreme's and savages have you solo'd? Has there ever been a 8 nin raid run of a Savage or Ultimate? I know you'd be salty that you'd never be able to finish WoL no matter how much gear you had because your limit break is useless in 99% of content (better than the 100% with healers), but we don't have to bring up every shortcoming your job role has compared to tanks.

Duty finder itself has deteriorated in overall attitude quality as of late which really just promotes me running as a full fc premade but I digress...

Had a hilarious run the other day where ppl just pulled ahead using their dashes while my sprint was obviously on cooldown - and I'm one of those tanks that only aoes ONCE to get to the second pack fast.
Even tried to rescue me into the next pull, which wiffed cause I wasn't engaged in battle (lol - I really hate that though it's extremely rude!)

Still, I continued as usual except I usually let them take 1-2 gcd of beating before my rotation auto grabs the targets anyway - just see it as an easy way to finish the duty where others just do all the work while you can continue sipping on your boba. Is it necessary? not really but I'm getting a good chuckle taking a few hits while relaxing.

(just honestly don't do that to first timers and sprouts or you're basically one of the reasons they develop tankxiety or ruining their first story run - you were a lil sprout at some point always remember that)

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That's funny. A NIN wants to talk. How much old content in extreme's and savages have you solo'd? Has there ever been a 8 nin raid run of a Savage or Ultimate? I know you'd be salty that you'd never be able to finish WoL no matter how much gear you had because your limit break is useless in 99% of content (better than the 100% with healers), but we don't have to bring up every shortcoming your job role has compared to tanks.

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Please go seek therapy.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

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Originally Posted by Dimi824

Please go seek therapy.

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Please go seek a tank that cares about your ego. Surprised your job out of everything would be one to talk when, as far as i aware, your entire kit was reduced to nothing but a Trick Attack contribution for years when every dps was better than you outside of it. I wouldn't expect a NIN or RDM to act ignorant that the community doesn't value them all the time.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

Please go seek a tank that cares about your ego. Surprised your job out of everything would be one to talk when, as far as i aware, your entire kit was reduced to nothing but a Trick Attack contribution for years when every dps was better than you outside of it. I wouldn't expect a NIN or RDM to act ignorant that the community doesn't value them all the time.

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So, all you really have to respond with is sidesteps and deflection, coupled with personal attacks. That is also known as nothing. You'd make for an excellent politician.

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Please go seek a tank that cares about your ego. Surprised your job out of everything would be one to talk when, as far as i aware, your entire kit was reduced to nothing but a Trick Attack contribution for years when every dps was better than you outside of it. I wouldn't expect a NIN or RDM to act ignorant that the community doesn't value them all the time.

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But I play every role and am probably way better than you at your main role considering you support ypyt.

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Originally Posted by Dimi824

But I play every role and am probably way better than you at your main role considering you support ypyt.

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You playing every role is a stronger agument for you being aware that certain jobs and roles get blacklisted regularly inside of PF because of lower contribution. That doesn't help you out of speaking out of your neck. Especially when everything you're saying is an assumption, and you haven't listed something we could objectively argue over yet.

As for YPYT, I don't like people griefing sprout tanks. That's why I let DPS's suicide and don't save them because maybe if they die enough times, they stop doing it and I don't have to worry about some sprout tank that's still learning having some random elitist speedrunning for 2min of a time save and causing them to die and told they don't meet community expectations and they decide to quit. I don't play that stupid shit. That's why I hate NA etiquette and prefer to run content on JP. Because you get emotional, sensitive, and entitled as hell to the point you forget objective facts.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

1) Who can't live through tankbusters and would die? Healers and DPS. Who can't 8 role EVEN WITH THE GEAR UPGRADES? Healers and DPS. You will wait years beyond what we will to run the same content we're able to. Your job contribution toward a clear is flat out less. I can replace your healing and dps faster than you can replace my defensive stats and health. You're the equivalent of a Tenacity materia vs. a Crit materia. Can you meet a dps check eventually? Sure. But you won't make it as fast as Crit. And people have no problem saying Crit materia are better and more important, more high demand than Tenacity materia. Tanks are Crit, Healers are Det/DH, DPS are Tenacity. Blame the devs that you suck stat for stat compared to me, that you're a secondary factor toward meeting a given content's requirements in a speedy process. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

2) I get tired of ppl doing this stupid strawman. YPYT doesn't have to turn off tank stance to make sure you die.

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Looks like your god complex is finally seeping through your mask. Still, Clemency PLD. Can't take someone like that seriously.

What you're getting tired of is people not being stupid enough to agree with your nonsensical tirades.

Stopping AoE to make the healer be more pressured to heal through your childish YPYT tantrum is just as bad as turning tank stance off and not at all subtle when the DPS with aggro and the mobs are right by you and you still don't pick up the aggro. Tanks are not so scarce as to make it not worth giving a YPYT tank the boot and look for another. Matter of fact, the next tank will enjoy a shorter instance at your expense. Inb4 "DPS who pull ahead of tank can also be dismissed you know", you're in for a bitter surprise if you think you'll have the crowd's support when dismisses start to be doled out.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

You playing every role is a stronger agument for you being aware that certain jobs and roles get blacklisted regularly inside of PF because of lower contribution. That doesn't help you out of speaking out of your neck. Especially when everything you're saying is an assumption, and you haven't listed something we could objectively argue over yet.

As for YPYT, I don't like people griefing sprout tanks. That's why I let DPS's suicide and don't save them because maybe if they die enough times, they stop doing it and I don't have to worry about some sprout tank that's still learning having some random elitist speedrunning for 2min of a time save and causing them to die and told they don't meet community expectations and they decide to quit. I don't play that stupid shit. That's why I hate NA etiquette and prefer to run content on JP. Because you get emotional, sensitive, and entitled as hell to the point you forget objective facts.

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Literally everything you say is objectionable and multiple people have already responded to you about it. No need for me to go over those points again. At this point it's just funny to see you bring up irrelevant things like doing 5 year old content unsync'd which is pointless and not even close to being a good expression of player skill. You're also the first person to have this weird obsession over the importance of role. Who gives a flying fuck if tanks can solo content years after it's release?

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Looks like your god complex is finally seeping through your mask. Still, Clemency PLD. Can't take someone like that seriously.

What you're getting tired of is people not being stupid enough to agree with your nonsensical tirades.

Stopping AoE to make the healer be more pressured to heal through your childish YPYT tantrum is just as bad as turning tank stance off and not at all subtle when the DPS with aggro and the mobs are right by you and you still don't pick up the aggro. Tanks are not so scarce as to make it not worth giving a YPYT tank the boot and look for another. Matter of fact, the next tank will enjoy a shorter instance at your expense. Inb4 "DPS who pull ahead of tank can also be dismissed you know", you're in for a bitter surprise if you think you'll have the crowd's support when dismisses start to be doled out.

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"Clemency PLD - can't take someone like that seriously".

Have you never played as PLD before the clemency/requi change? You've never seen a PLD replace a healer and 3 man a dungeon easier than WAR? You've never seen a PLD solo Nidhogg Extreme and heal through the entire of Akh Morns? Never seen a raid where a healer had no mana to heal someone up after a rez and the PLD chunked them for half their health to help with recovery?

That aside,

"make the healer more pressure to heal through your childish YPYT" You realize you're talking to a PLD/WAR in a 3-6 add situation. What pressure are you talking about? I can heal that myself and stay above half without the healer lol

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Originally Posted by Dimi824

Literally everything you say is objectionable and multiple people have already responded to you about it. No need for me to go over those points again. At this point it's just funny to see you bring up irrelevant things like doing 5 year old content unsync'd which is pointless and not even close to being a good expression of player skill. You're also the first person to have this weird obsession over the importance of role. Who gives a flying fuck if tanks can solo content years after it's release?

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And that's why you don't stick your nose into arguments halfway in without reading context to understand every argument and example that's been discussed previously. Because you ask stupid questions that you should've known the answer to before you spoke.

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And that's why you don't stick your nose into arguments halfway in without reading context to understand every argument and example that's been discussed previously. Because you ask stupid questions that you should've known the answer to before you spoke.

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Yeah it was rhetorical genius.

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Yeah it was rhetorical genius.

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No, it was you trying to say something smart, and made you look ignorant because what you listed was the entire point of the argument you even stepped into. You essentially did the equivalent of walking into two people arguing about optimizing damage inside of a raid, and you came in to say "WeLl WhO cAreS aBoUt UpTimE ANywaY? ThaT DoESnT DetERmiNe iF yOu FiNIsH a RaId." Like bro, go mind your business if you're just gonna contribute random comments noone in the conversation cares about. Whole different wavelength than both people who were talking originally.

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No, it was you trying to say something smart, and made you look ignorant because what you listed was the entire point of the argument you even stepped into. You essentially did the equivalent of walking into two people arguing about optimizing damage inside of a raid, and you came in to say "WeLl WhO cAreS aBoUt UpTimE ANywaY? ThaT DoESnT DetERmiNe iF yOu FiNIsH a RaId." Like bro, go mind your business if you're just gonna contribute random comments noone in the conversation cares about. Whole different wavelength than both people who were talking originally.

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You're posting horrible takes in a public forum and not expecting negative feedback? There's one of those rhetorical questions again.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

"Clemency PLD - can't take someone like that seriously".

Have you never played as PLD before the clemency/requi change? You've never seen a PLD replace a healer and 3 man a dungeon easier than WAR? You've never seen a PLD solo Nidhogg Extreme and heal through the entire of Akh Morns? Never seen a raid where a healer had no mana to heal someone up after a rez and the PLD chunked them for half their health to help with recovery?

That aside,

"make the healer more pressure to heal through your childish YPYT" You realize you're talking to a PLD/WAR in a 3-6 add situation. What pressure are you talking about? I can heal that myself and stay above half without the healer lol

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I've leveled PLD to 90 and done plenty of roulettes, including Mentor roulettes. And, unlike you, I know better than to cast Clemency. Because I actually bothered to check Tanking 101 and Paladin 101, unlike you.

WAR don't lose DPS and their healing GCD is pretty much an invulnerability on short CDs where as PLD still take a notable DPS loss by casting Clemency when they have a whole array of other defensive options that come at no DPS loss and help them sustain themselves.
I've been soloing Nidhogg EX unsynch since EW and with DPS classes, with absolutely not a problem. The fact you're trying to talk about Nidhogg EX, from the first expansion of 5, solo as some kind of achievement would be cute if you weren't such a buffoon.
I've never seen a raid where the healers become completely unable to cast heals or oGCDs even after rezzes. And by the time a PLD needs to Clemency to salvage the run, there are way more pressing issues to address Not to mention this scenario doesn't play in most current EX and beyond Savage anyways. You know, actual content. Not content from several expansions ago.

Have you ever done a current EX or Savage on PUG? Clearly not. Being a Clemency user would get you quickly out of PFs, after all.

And while you may easily shrug 3 mobs, the DPS will have to be healed by your healer for the other 3 you refuse to take in order to fulfill your power trip. And if they're forced to use GCDs to keep them alive, they're not casting their AoE dps button, which comes again to the detriment of everyone, including you. All because of your need to feel important that you need to put the filthy DPS in their places. All because of YOUR choice.

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Originally Posted by Dimi824

You're posting horrible takes in a public forum and not expecting negative feedback? There's one of those rhetorical questions again.

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It's nearly 8pm, don't you have a boss to trick attack? And you came into the thread with a derail, saying nothing but insults that didn't relate to tanking, and you didn't expect negative feedback? There's one of those rhetorical questions.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

Yes. Because apparently you missed the memo that people don't read in this game.

That assumption aside, you're a pot calling the kettle black.

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People are more skilled than you give them credit for.

And yes, I also dislike DPS who don't AOE attack. Assuming the dungeon allows the dps to aoe anyways. And healers who make the tank stressed by letting them get to 20% HP are not okay either. As healer you get like 3x as much healing as you need on oGCDs in normal content so there is no reason for that, just heal.

But, as for "pot calling the kettle black", it's just wrong. See, majority rule applies here. I assume most people in duty finder are part of the majority. Everyone does. They can do double pulls and vast, VAST majority of my DF experience is double pulls.
If they are in the minority of being unskilled, unwilling, new, slow, etc. Then they should say so and people will adjust or teach you how to W2W pull.
It is absolutely disgusting and mean of you to assume that other players are trash at the game and can not keep up with you double pulling, if that's what you're getting at. Don't blame others for your own shortcomings.


I assure you, it is okay to want the comfort. But hold yourself accountable for it.
It is not okay to demand that the majority of players adjust for this just by default. Hold yourself accountable for your shortcomings, *request* and *communicate* that you need special attention outside of the expected norm, instead of expecting it silently, and we have absolutely 0 problems.

YPYT is not communicating, it is stand-offish, and it is a demand, not a request. This puts you straight into the camp of entitlement.

Expecting W2W pulls silently is just the norm right now. You can whine and complain about it, but it is what it is. It's not entitlement nor a demand. What WOULD be entitlement is if you were to announce you were uncomfortable W2W pulling but it was forced on you anyway. THAT is when it crosses a line and when I would say "yeah the tank not grabbing aggro off of you is your own fault". But I'm also sure that if you are nice about it and say you don't want to W2W pull in party chat, people will be okay with it in the vast majority of cases.
Is it a hassle for you? Sure. But it's either that, or you learn to W2W pull. The other option of "I want the whole community to change its mindset just for my style of playing and they silently follow my style of tanking" is, in fact, entitlement.

Aside from that, I've pulled stuff as a healer onto a tank. I'm the one healing the tank, and if I say you can tank it because I heal you, you should tank it. Not grabbing aggro off of me is just a lack of trust in my healing abilities, and it is mean and toxic.

The only time this saying doesn't work well is when it's the healer, but it's still a lot of fun to watch him die.

If it really bothers the You pull you tank, make the group run, that's fun too.

I also had the time when the group complained that I pull too fast and let me do the boss alone that I soloed and they cried and said “Go reset or report” (but they're going to report what? it's based on what you said in /party, I didn't insult them, but make them run), the MMO community in all its splendor. Well, I finished the boss in 15 minutes, which is fun. You're wasting my time and well...

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

I've been soloing Nidhogg EX unsynch since EW and with DPS classes, with absolutely not a problem.

Have you ever done a current EX or Savage on PUG? Clearly not. Being a Clemency user would get you quickly out of PFs, after all.

And while you may easily shrug 3 mobs, the DPS will have to be healed by your healer for the other 3 you refuse to take in order to fulfill your power trip. And if they're forced to use GCDs to keep them alive, this comes again to the detriment of everyone, including you. All because of you need you feel to important that you need to put the filthy DPS in their places.

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Congrats, you proved the point. You're an entire 1-2 expansions late on solo'ing Nidhogg as a DPS compared to Tank. Exactly as what was stated.

When you're in a PUG situation and people are dying and there's no mana, the last thing that group cares about is optimizing damage when you're about to wipe. The goal is to see more mechanics or salvage a finish. Clearly you haven't done prog, watched prog, or been in any struggle instances before.

And the dps won't need to be healed. They'll be dead within 5s if the healer doesn't decide to blow something important in their kit to even attempt to save them and end up having to GCD heal to even try to keep the dps alive, or they can just let the dps die from the get go and spam aoe dps on the adds the tank has. I think most healers are going to pick letting the dps die and saving their heals for something important especially since spamming heals to try to save the dps, could end up in them dying as well if their enmity gets too high. No point in risking the party wiping over letting one person die.

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The only time this saying doesn't work well is when it's the healer, but it's still a lot of fun to watch him die.

If it really bothers the You pull you tank, make the group run, that's fun too.

I also had the time when the group complained that I pull too fast and let me do the boss alone that I soloed and they cried and said “Go reset or report” (but they're going to report what? it's based on what you said in /party, I didn't insult them, but make them run), the MMO community in all its splendor. Well, I finished the boss in 15 minutes, which is fun. You're wasting my time and well...

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If they didn't enter the boss room. Then that sounds like Lethargic Gameplay as they call it.

More so if the Battle Log shows that a whole bunch of previous battle buffs fell off. More so if the ones like Peloton fell off, or sprint.

Since if the party had the buffs on them. That means everyone is together to receive peloton. so they can't even lie about rushing ahead alone.

[Now a days, even if the party dies, and the boss is almost dead. it's fine if most tanks or two players solo it.]

So this guy:
- believes reprisal is enough for w2w pulll
- thinks clemency is a good skill
- thinks tanking is so complicated it's equal to real life combat
- thinks playing tank makes them intrinsically better and more important than DPS players despite sucking balls at tanking
- thinks being able to solo old content means anything of import
- thinks they're the main character and everyone must submit to their whim at all time
- uses an alt account just to show off their god complex and main character syndrome beyond the daily post limit

Did I miss anything?

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But, as for "pot calling the kettle black", it's just wrong. See, majority rule applies here. I assume most people in duty finder are part of the majority. Everyone does. They can do double pulls and vast, VAST majority of my DF experience is double pulls.

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Once more, someone proving the point. Vast majority of DF is double pulls, that's not wall to wall in every instance. Wall to wall is sometimes 3-4+ like the last section of Anamnesis Anyder, Stone Vigil, Bardam's Mettle, Doma Castle. The majority does not do wall to wall. 2 packs is what most tanks are comfortable with as their limit for their ability to carry. Anything past that is heavy reliance on the group and not something sprout tanks are going to comfortable with at all but will be forced on them by some dps's.

More of a "you pull, you spank" kind of gal myself. But, to each their own.

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Congrats, you proved the point. You're an entire 1-2 expansions late on solo'ing Nidhogg as a DPS compared to Tank. Exactly as what was stated.

When you're in a PUG situation and people are dying and there's no mana, the last thing that group cares about is optimizing damage when you're about to wipe. The goal is to see more mechanics or salvage a finish. Clearly you haven't done prog, watched prog, or been in any struggle instances before.

And the dps won't need to be healed. They'll be dead within 5s if the healer doesn't decide to blow something important in their kit to even attempt to save them and end up having to GCD heal to even try to keep the dps alive, or they can just let the dps die from the get go and spam aoe dps on the adds the tank has. I think most healers are going to pick letting the dps die and saving their heals for something important especially since spamming heals to try to save the dps, could end up in them dying as well if their enmity gets too high. No point in risking the party wiping over letting one person die.

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Let me make it easy for you: Unsynched content. Does. Not. Matter. Say it with me a couple of times until it sinks. Unsynched content does not matter. At all.

Yeah. surely the party will surely survive continuous deaths during light party or pairs in EX1 because PLD used clemency to heal up the dodoheads. If you think Clemency usually salvages runs, you're completely delusional. Matter of fact: Tanks surviving already show mechanics. And PLD do not need Clemency for that.

The DPS can last more than 5 seconds and 5 seconds is more than enough for a healer to throw some thing as simple as an Afflatus/ED/Druochole/Lustrate. Single pulls are perfectly possible with a DPS tanking, so... nah, the healer can keep the DPS alive, even if it's at a expense the YPYT placed to begin with.

By the by: same world, puppet FC with one member.... posting (and upvoting yourself) with alts now, are we? This is taking a turn for the sad (already screencapped, so it's too late to hide lodestone profile).

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Judging by the names of the alt's FC and it's house, it wouldn't be farfetched to assume they're also hoarding several houses (and let's hope it's not as bad as holding an entire district). Which also makes this person's egotistical and narcissist personality, clearer. A DPS can't pull ahead of a tank that can more than easily handle it but they're pretty free to contribute towards the game's housing scarcity too.

I already have little respect for them before checking Lodestone but, somehow, they manage to lose some respect I didn't know was left.

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Let me make it easy for you: Unsynched content. Does. Not. Matter.

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It matters in the context of the example. If tanks put their foot down against dps and healers in an argument about raids, noone would complete content if healers and dps didn't bend the knee. Nothing is being done at tier. Full healer groups are not clearing. Full dps groups are not clearing. Healer/dps hybrid groups are not clearing. Full tank groups are not clearing. Everything is going to be an expansion down and tanks would be the first one to complete said content and meet the dps and sustain requirements if there was a feud. And when they are the first to meet the threshold of said content that noone completed previously, people will bend the knee and listen to what the tanks wanted to do before they wait an entire expansion+ for their role to be able to do the same. Tanks are the leader/deciding factor inside of a raid. If you do not want to wait a stupid long time period to finish content, you will need a tank that agrees with your decisions about content.

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It matters in the context of the example. If tanks put their foot down against dps and healers in an argument about raids, noone would complete content if healers and dps didn't bend the knee. Nothing is being done at tier. Full healer groups are not clearing. Full dps groups are not clearing. Healer/dps hybrid groups are not clearing. Full tank groups are not clearing. Everything is going to be an expansion down and tanks would be the first one to complete said content and meet the dps and sustain requirements if there was a feud. And when they are the first to meet the threshold of said content that noone completed previously, people will bend the knee and listen to what the tanks wanted to do before they wait an entire expansion+ for their role to be able to do the same. Tanks are the leader/deciding factor inside of a raid. If you do not want to wait a stupid long time period to finish content, you will need a tank that agrees with your decisions about content.

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You're so vain it'd be funny it it wasn't so sad

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It matters in the context of the example. If tanks put their foot down against dps and healers in an argument about raids, noone would complete content if healers and dps didn't bend the knee. Nothing is being done at tier. Full healer groups are not clearing. Full dps groups are not clearing. Healer/dps hybrid groups are not clearing. Full tank groups are not clearing. Everything is going to be an expansion down and tanks would be the first one to complete said content and meet the dps and sustain requirements if there was a feud. And when they are the first to meet the threshold of said content that noone completed previously, people will bend the knee and listen to what the tanks wanted to do before they wait an entire expansion+ for their role to be able to do the same. Tanks are the leader/deciding factor inside of a raid. If you do not want to wait a stupid long time period to finish content, you will need a tank that agrees with your decisions about content.

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It matters not because the reality is, your tank philosophy isn't the average player's. Far from that, it's the one belonging to the bottom of the tank barrel. The average tank does not care. The tanks who do actually clear relevant content do not care either. So, yeah, most people, tank, healers and DPS who set to do content when it's relevant will eventually get it done far earlier than you because most of them will actually be competent and not... you.

You are not THE tank. You are A tank. And a terrible one, at that. You, specifically, are more than replaceable. There are better tanks out there and most don't throw the tantrums you do and have more game knowledge than you do. And, know what? They do not YPYT. Because they know better than to pull stupid stunts that do not benefit them at all.

And I don't need to wait for a tank that agrees with my decisions because the reality is that most tanks already know better than to do what you do. Duty Finder will do the rest and, in PF, I would be hard pressed to find a tank as incompetent as you that doesn't get kicked the moment they make their lack of knowledge clear for all to see. And, what¡s even better, I can also just pick a tank. And having read your horrible statements on tank gameplay, I know for a fact I can do a damn better job than you do.