Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

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Originally Posted by FireMage

So you're cool with XIV dying?

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If it means noone can use anything but the official game, yes, let it burn crash and die if that it's the future.
Anyway, I'm personally set time aside this weekend to report everyone admitting to use or supporting mods in this thread.
It does matter if it's cheating or not, it's against tos period.
The more of you get banned and go cry somewhere to someone the less people use mods, enjoy your bans.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Anyway, I'm personally set time aside this weekend to report everyone admitting to use or supporting mods in this thread.

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What an exciting life you must live.

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Originally Posted by Casualty

What an exciting life you must live.

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At least I'm not using mods ;)

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Originally Posted by solimiano

To know what your parse is you need to be breaking the the TOS, hope you enjoy your ban

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That's not even true lol

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Originally Posted by Casualty

What an exciting life you must live.

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Let's be honest, odds are they have none if they're this hung up on the topic.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

It does matter if it's cheating or not, it's against tos period.

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And? As I pointed out earlier, not every rule is valid. Some rules are down right harmful to others

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Originally Posted by Saraide

That's not even true lol

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There is no in-game way to know your parse, so you are using a third-party tool, or someone used that on your behalf, you just broke tos, congrats.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

And? As I pointed out earlier, not every rule is valid. Some rules are down right harmful to others

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Doesn't matter, you break the rules you deserve a ban, don't care if broke the rules to help or doom humankind... Broke the rules you get jail time, or in this case ban.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

There is no in-game way to know your parse, so you are using a third-party tool, or someone used that on your behalf, you just broke tos, congrats.

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"If someone used that on your behalf, you just broke tos"? what? So I'm in trouble... because some rando I've never met uploaded parses of Normal Raids to a website without me even knowing? xD

Are you okay? Because this ain't normal.

Ok, quick question for you guys:

You guys are going gung-ho on this because Yoshida expressed his disapproval, yes?

...Yoshida also said there were gray areas. Yoshida also explicitly said he didn't want a Witch Hunt.

So why are you ignoring all the rest he said, and acting solely based on just one thing?

Unless you're doing it out of your own volition, but there are other nouns for that.

Isn't publicly threatening to report someone for whichever reason also a reporteable action, by the way?

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Originally Posted by solimiano

There is no in-game way to know your parse, so you are using a third-party tool, or someone used that on your behalf, you just broke tos, congrats.

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I have to wonder if this is a troll.


You have a suspicious amount of parses in content you partake in to have no clue of your performance or not be at least occasionally using them. Usually it would be sporadic parses across content if you are queuing randomly for normal content without a parser. In the offchance that you aren't, there is no way to prove that no one isn't providing this information to you.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Isn't publicly threatening to report someone for whichever reason also a reporteable action, by the way?

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I'm not threatening, I'm informing them of what I will do, they are more than welcome to delete the posts.
And unfortunately reporting someone for not guarantee their ban, even if they are openly admitting to break tos

I thought their first reply to some arson was already clear enough that they’re here just to stir the pot.

Great, why not let those two rile up one another? Fight fire with fire, as they say :p

So you are just confirming that you use or check said third party tool, I have no idea, since I purposely avoid all mods.
Again I am a console peasent, don't use or care about any mods.
There are no grey areas, look at the last statement from yoshida, any and all mods are prohibited, and are bannable offenses.
Good luck

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I thought their first reply to some arson was already clear enough that they’re here just to stir the pot.

Great, why not let those two rile up one another? Fight fire with fire, as they say :p

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I think FireMage has better stuff to do, he'd have posted way sooner otherwise.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

So you are just confirming that you use or check said third party tool, I have no idea, since I purposely avoid all mods.
Again I am a console peasent, don't use or care about any mods.
There are no grey areas, look at the last statement from yoshida, any and all mods are prohibited, and are bannable offenses.
Good luck

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU This is in that video that Yoshida linked in his latest statment that you reference here. Lets see if he points out any behaviors you may be exhibiting and advises against them...

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

"If someone used that on your behalf, you just broke tos"? what? So I'm in trouble... because some rando I've never met uploaded parses of Normal Raids to a website without me even knowing? xD

Are you okay? Because this ain't normal.

Ok, quick question for you guys:

You guys are going gung-ho on this because Yoshida expressed his disapproval, yes?

...Yoshida also said there were gray areas. Yoshida also explicitly said he didn't want a Witch Hunt.

So why are you ignoring all the rest he said, and acting solely based on just one thing?

Unless you're doing it out of your own volition, but there are other nouns for that.

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Yeah. I had someone randomly parse me back in HW and I had no knowledge of it until someone I know pointed it out what was probably days later. Just some random person apparently curious about my damage or something. Who knows. Wouldn't surprise me if I've been randomly parsed on more than one occasion through the years. Welp, guess that means I deserve a ban despite not consenting, using or even knowing about it happening.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

"If someone used that on your behalf, you just broke tos"? what? So I'm in trouble... because some rando I've never met uploaded parses of Normal Raids to a website without me even knowing? xD

Are you okay? Because this ain't normal.

Ok, quick question for you guys:

You guys are going gung-ho on this because Yoshida expressed his disapproval, yes?

...Yoshida also said there were gray areas. Yoshida also explicitly said he didn't want a Witch Hunt.

So why are you ignoring all the rest he said, and acting solely based on just one thing?

Unless you're doing it out of your own volition, but there are other nouns for that.

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Guess what? Solimiano is on FFlogs...le gasp!

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Originally Posted by solimiano

There is no in-game way to know your parse, so you are using a third-party tool, or someone used that on your behalf, you just broke tos, congrats.

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Then report yourself. You have parses logged. Guess someone did that on your behalf. Oops.

All these witch-hunting, finger-pointing, and baseless accusatory crusades are pretty sad, and a vast majority of this thread is practically the embodiment of what happens when people elect to go on a show-me-tell-me party.

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Originally Posted by PintyMcEars

Guess what? Solimiano is on FFlogs...le gasp!

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isnt everyone who was in a party that recorded dps appear in FFlogs, even if you didnt do it yourself?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

isnt everyone who was in a party that recorded dps appear in FFlogs, even if you didnt do it yourself?

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Yes. The poster earlier said that anyone on fflogs should be banned, even if they did not upload themselves. I was just pointing that out

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Originally Posted by PintyMcEars

Yes. The poster earlier said that anyone on fflogs should be banned, even if they did not upload themselves. I was just pointing that out

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How nice of them. gcbtw

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Originally Posted by FireMage

And? As I pointed out earlier, not every rule is valid. Some rules are down right harmful to others

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You also said unnamed didn't cheat despite yoshi-p and SE disagreeing with you so your opinion isn't exactly valid

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

You also said unnamed didn't cheat despite yoshi-p and SE disagreeing with you so your opinion isn't exactly valid

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Yes, because an unfair advantage wasn't present. Unless that IS present it doesn't matter what Yoshida says. That's a fact, not an opinion. Do educate yourself of the difference

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Originally Posted by PintyMcEars

Guess what? Solimiano is on FFlogs...le gasp!

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Youre the one telling me that, I don't visit or use third party mods or websites, but thanks for confirming

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Yes, because an unfair advantage wasn't present. Unless that IS present it doesn't matter what Yoshida says. That's a fact, not an opinion. Do educate yourself of the difference

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Any tool that gives information other competitors might not have in game is cheating. Even parsers. Zooming out gives you holistic views of mechanics that help understand and see things better than others. That is a cheat. This wouldn't even be an argument in other games. Imagine being able to zoom out and overhead in COD to see where the other players are running. That would be a serious cheat. The limited level of zoom is a limitation that players need to overcome. Not cheat over.

Even parsers are cheating. They provide a level of information that allows a player to improve their performance and finetune their substats with an exact degree, something that most players wouldn't be able to achieve without access to such tools. As a consequence players who have seen their parses and theorycrafted and melded based on the numbers being output by their parses do enjoy a performance advantage over a player who has cleared content and has a general idea of their performance but nowhere near the same level of precision as cold hard numbers.

Personally employing anti cheat would be a waste of time and resources because FFXIV isn't a competitive game. And even if add ons didn't exist content sellers would. So they could buy a clear and sport a weapon even without a single add on installed.

If people want to subtract from their personal satisfaction and cheat at the game they are only cheating themselves out of the accomplishment. The other subset of people affect by this are the envious ones, that prefer to look at others and judge instead of having fun. Since those are the only two factors at play here, it doesn't make sense to invest into anti cheat.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Any tool that gives information other competitors might not have in game is cheating. Even parsers. Zooming out gives you holistic views of mechanics that help understand and see things better than others. That is a cheat. This wouldn't even be an argument in other games. Imagine being able to zoom out and overhead in COD to see where the other players are running. That would be a serious cheat. The limited level of zoom is a limitation that players need to overcome. Not cheat over.

Even parsers are cheating. They provide a level of information that allows a player to improve their performance and finetune their substats with an exact degree, something that most players wouldn't be able to achieve without access to such tools. As a consequence players who have seen their parses and theorycrafted and melded based on the numbers being output by their parses do enjoy a performance advantage over a player who has cleared content and has a general idea of their performance but nowhere near the same level of precision as cold hard numbers.

Personally employing anti cheat would be a waste of time and resources because FFXIV isn't a competitive game. And even if add ons didn't exist content sellers would. So they could buy a clear and sport a weapon even without a single add on installed.

If people want to subtract from their personal satisfaction and cheat at the game they are only cheating themselves out of the accomplishment. The other subset of people affect by this are the envious ones, that prefer to look at others and judge instead of having fun. Since those are the only two factors at play here, it doesn't make sense to invest into anti cheat.

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Allow me to tell you about the future.

Someone is going to use false equivalence to tell you that a widescreen monitor is cheating.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Any tool that gives information other competitors might not have in game is cheating. Even parsers. Zooming out gives you holistic views of mechanics that help understand and see things better than others. That is a cheat. This wouldn't even be an argument in other games. Imagine being able to zoom out and overhead in COD to see where the other players are running. That would be a serious cheat. The limited level of zoom is a limitation that players need to overcome. Not cheat over.

Even parsers are cheating. They provide a level of information that allows a player to improve their performance and finetune their substats with an exact degree, something that most players wouldn't be able to achieve without access to such tools. As a consequence players who have seen their parses and theorycrafted and melded based on the numbers being output by their parses do enjoy a performance advantage over a player who has cleared content and has a general idea of their performance but nowhere near the same level of precision as cold hard numbers.

Personally employing anti cheat would be a waste of time and resources because FFXIV isn't a competitive game. And even if add ons didn't exist content sellers would. So they could buy a clear and sport a weapon even without a single add on installed.

If people want to subtract from their personal satisfaction and cheat at the game they are only cheating themselves out of the accomplishment. The other subset of people affect by this are the envious ones, that prefer to look at others and judge instead of having fun. Since those are the only two factors at play here, it doesn't make sense to invest into anti cheat.

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Please stop feeding FireMage. He's a gfaqs troll.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Please stop feeding FireMage. He's a gfaqs troll.

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I miss BroJobs aka Titanmen, now that was someone with class, at least.

Now we're forced to 'revel' in this... Whatever this... Is.

I jumped out of this dumpster fire a day ago, but while rewatching old cutscenes, I realized one thing.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...e_template.png

I am two days too late for this and I have zero photoshop skills, but I think it'd be hilarious if someone shopped the zoom meme onto this thing.

I think one of the reasons why they prefer not to is such game guard tools usually get detected as malicious programs by antivirus. So they need to provide additional supports on how to whitelist xiv in antiviruses for the customers ON TOP of having to spend development resources in building and maintaining such a tool.

Considering how most players in this game dont do high end contents and theres no esports for it, the cost of adding it outweighs the benefits of catching several baddies who would get banned if they participate in World First clears anyway since it is often recorded as a proof.

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Yeah. I had someone randomly parse me back in HW and I had no knowledge of it until someone I know pointed it out what was probably days later. Just some random person apparently curious about my damage or something. Who knows. Wouldn't surprise me if I've been randomly parsed on more than one occasion through the years. Welp, guess that means I deserve a ban despite not consenting, using or even knowing about it happening.

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Some people have ACT open and just bulk upload everything that they did for that day. It's not done against any specific person and most people thinking they get target will be wrong about that. In truth most people having ACT open dont actually care. At most they will vent to their friends on discord but afterwards they will simply forget they have ever interacted with you.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Some people have ACT open and just bulk upload everything that they did for that day. It's not done against any specific person and most people thinking they get target will be wrong about that. In truth most people having ACT open dont actually care. At most they will vent to their friends on discord but afterwards they will simply forget they have ever interacted with you.

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I don't think anyone will be targetted or is fearful of being targetted for it. Square knows that that's a thing. And having parsers around was never ground for people being banned whatsoever.

As much as people try to deny it just because Yoshida said "All third party tools are banned"... he kept saying this so often. Yet you don't hear people uploading those parses (because that information is likely available on fflogs anyway) being banned or reported for it. You only hear repercussions when those tools are used improperly, such as getting an upper edge in combat (cheating) or when someone is using parses to shame or ostracize players (harassment).

Anyone who says they'll report people for knowing of parses or even having parses on fflogs altogether will find their reports to be of very little substance. Square has a loose TOS, but they don't act on small fry. They go after those two scenarios I listed because those can actually do more harm than violations of privacy.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

To know what your parse is you need to be breaking the the TOS, hope you enjoy your ban

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It's so transparent that you actually have no idea what you're talking about, lol.

Did you know, one person running ACT and uploading it uploads it for the WHOLE PARTY? The seven other people don't even have to run it themselves. Or are you going to accuse the other seven of cheating because someone else did it for them, even if it was some random player they got grouped with LOL

Btw guess who's had their parse uploaded :)

EDIT: Deleted the thing I had, I think the point has been made and no amount of backpedaling or goalpost moving will save you from looking like an absolute clown or troll.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I don't think anyone will be targetted or is fearful of being targetted for it. Square knows that that's a thing. And having parsers around was never ground for people being banned whatsoever.

As much as people try to deny it just because Yoshida said "All third party tools are banned"... he kept saying this so often. Yet you don't hear people uploading those parses (because that information is likely available on fflogs anyway) being banned or reported for it. You only hear repercussions when those tools are used improperly, such as getting an upper edge in combat (cheating) or when someone is using parses to shame or ostracize players (harassment).

Anyone who says they'll report people for knowing of parses or even having parses on fflogs altogether will find their reports to be of very little substance. Square has a loose TOS, but they don't act on small fry. They go after those two scenarios I listed because those can actually do more harm than violations of privacy.

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It's not just they dont go after small fries, they actively dont do anything about all the TOP groups live logging. They are simply okay with logging by itself.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

It's so transparent that you actually have no idea what you're talking about, lol.

Did you know, one person running ACT and uploading it uploads it for the WHOLE PARTY? The seven other people don't even have to run it themselves. Or are you going to accuse the other seven of cheating because someone else did it for them LOL

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Let them cook, if they are honest they are currently in the process of reporting themselves. And also yoship.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

It's not just they dont go after small fries, they actively dont do anything about all the TOP groups live logging. They are simply okay with logging by itself.



Let them cook, if they are honest they are currently in the process of reporting themselves. And also yoship.

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Oh they're for sure a troll that's just trying to stir the pot. New account with very few posts, most or all of which are in this thread? Clear sign they're a troll.

Hi everyone! Please remember to hydrate and eat well. Or eat junk. Just eat something.

That is my contribution to this...whatever this is.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Hi everyone! Please remember to hydrate and eat well. Or eat junk. Just eat something.

That is my contribution to this...whatever this is.

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A cesspit :D

Also don't forget to get Vitamin D from the lovecraftian blinding orb of fire in the sky we sometimes worship and set our clocks to.

Ignore all the deranged corporate overlord conspiracy spy takes. The basic issue is that these systems don't work, never have, not just in FF14 but in any game that isn't run on proprietary systems. Its a false sense of security and total waste that takes up otherwise more useful processor time/developer time.