People advertising they're running Parsers

I've never seen any harassment in game from logs. All that is shunted to discord, and even then with the modern cross world pf that is seldom an issue.

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Originally Posted by Velnora

The issue is, there isn't a widespread problem of people harassing others other about their damage, and the notion that making parsers legal would suddenly cause that to change is unfounded. Parsers are a tool. One, that is essential for any sort of balancing, even for those that are so adamant against them; as it effects them too.

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Bingo.

It's not the parser itself that would be the problem.
The act of giving someone a hard time is harassment. The ban would be for harassment, not for having the parser.

If parsers were legal and someone gave someone else a hard time about their numbers, they would still get banned for harassment.

The parser itself is irrelevant. End result: Mean player harassing someone else gets banned.

Harassment not okay. Self-betterment for self-use without affecting anyone else is okay.

Really why we needed 33 pages to understand what should be a given fact...

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

There will be no official parser, i dont know how many times this needs to be stated.

As for attitude, i tend to find that anyone who sneeringly refers to others as "deadweights" is ample proof of why parsers should be completely banned. i dont mean allow them for personal use, i mean BANNED. Removed. Forbidden.

I dont see any reason why this kind of attitude, this kind of hostile, abusive conduct towards others should be condoned, encouraged or rewarded in any sense whatsoever.

I quit WOW for that very reason, and the abusive, manipulative and toxic atmospheres they created. Allow parsers in the game, and on the foilowing day you will have some wannabe spamming parser numbers in Sastasha. It wont happen?

Yes, it will. I gaurantee it.

Lastly, any so called 'raid leader" who cannot, or WILL NOT, get their point across without screaming obscenities at the top of their lungs needs to uninstall the game. walk away, and take a good long hard look at themselves.

If you lose your mind this badly over a game, if THIS is how you treat others, then the problem aint the game.

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This post is very ironic. Not sure if intentional. You calling out parsers and raid leaders for getting bent out of shape over numbers while at the same time you are getting bent out of shape over numbers. The question is why even care?

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

There will be no official parser, i dont know how many times this needs to be stated.

As for attitude, i tend to find that anyone who sneeringly refers to others as "deadweights" is ample proof of why parsers should be completely banned. i dont mean allow them for personal use, i mean BANNED. Removed. Forbidden.

I dont see any reason why this kind of attitude, this kind of hostile, abusive conduct towards others should be condoned, encouraged or rewarded in any sense whatsoever.

I quit WOW for that very reason, and the abusive, manipulative and toxic atmospheres they created. Allow parsers in the game, and on the foilowing day you will have some wannabe spamming parser numbers in Sastasha. It wont happen?

Yes, it will. I gaurantee it.

Lastly, any so called 'raid leader" who cannot, or WILL NOT, get their point across without screaming obscenities at the top of their lungs needs to uninstall the game. walk away, and take a good long hard look at themselves.

If you lose your mind this badly over a game, if THIS is how you treat others, then the problem aint the game.

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are you okay

Yeah, parsers aren't allowed. There's always gonna be that one guy that will roast someone over their low dps. Well... you're not supposed to be roasting people in general, but sometimes you have to spell it out. Not everyone uses this tool for personal improvement only. So that's where the no parser rule comes in.

I don't mind the use of parsers or people advertising they are using one in their pf. What's wrong with wanting to look for a group of like minded individuals who all consent to the use of a parser if they're all polite about it (aside from it being against ToS)? I really wish a personal dps meter would be implemented into the game, one that you could toggle on or off, because I do genuinely believe they are very useful for improving your damage. It's a shame parsers are against the ToS just because a few people will use it as a cudgel to bash people with.

Imagine wishing a ban upon the use of a calculator.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Apartments aren't a cooperative activity with stakes that can be scored quantitively... at least not without a huge stretch in logic. It would be reasonable to be suspicious of someone opting to intentionally hide their score in a video game, particularly if you were interested in trying to put an effective team together.

While I definitely think exceptions exist, speaking from my own experience with hundreds of hours pug raiding in this game (and lots of time recruiting for statics), the overwhelming majority of people who opt to hide their logs are not doing so because they're embarrassed about how amazing they are at the game. I try to give these types a chance because of the few exceptions I've seen, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't end up regretting it 99% of the time.

Of the 'good' examples I know, where the player had hidden their logs despite being highly skilled, most of them were highly unstable people that struggled with self-image issues around their parses, and would often get extremely toxic or upset if something in a run wasn't going their way. I find a similar mentality haunts the types of 'bad' players that opt to hide them as well; They're usually irrationally afraid of how people will judge them based on their logs. In some cases, I've even had people lash out at me during recruitment conversations when I've asked them to unhide their logs for me to take a look.

Anyway, the moral of the story is, even if it's not a performance red-flag, hidden logs are often a mentality red-flag.

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You need to realize that the authority of SE far exceeds that of any raid/party leader or any third party tool. The data pertaining to a particular character is entrusted to the player of said character. They are allowed to use that data and limit it's use to some degree.

Being what you call a "bad player" is not a crime. They are not a suspect to be tried in your court. If you don't want them in the group you are forming then don't let them in. But, don't make it public that you are looking at FFlogs to make your decision.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

There will be no official parser, i dont know how many times this needs to be stated.

As for attitude, i tend to find that anyone who sneeringly refers to others as "deadweights" is ample proof of why parsers should be completely banned. i dont mean allow them for personal use, i mean BANNED. Removed. Forbidden.

I dont see any reason why this kind of attitude, this kind of hostile, abusive conduct towards others should be condoned, encouraged or rewarded in any sense whatsoever.

I quit WOW for that very reason, and the abusive, manipulative and toxic atmospheres they created. Allow parsers in the game, and on the foilowing day you will have some wannabe spamming parser numbers in Sastasha. It wont happen?

Yes, it will. I gaurantee it.

Lastly, any so called 'raid leader" who cannot, or WILL NOT, get their point across without screaming obscenities at the top of their lungs needs to uninstall the game. walk away, and take a good long hard look at themselves.

If you lose your mind this badly over a game, if THIS is how you treat others, then the problem aint the game.

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I find it highly toxic to just be a deadweight on the party and expect everyone to be your slave and carry you through no effort of your own without asking. However, you dont really need a parser to see if someone is being a massive deadweight. It's making it easier to notice more minor cases but extreme cases are very obvious without a parser. Logs are just useful to keep raiders honest, literally no one of importance will care about dungeon logs. Yes they exist currently, no they are not cared about. This isnt wow, please stop pretending that it is.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Cute switching out the letter P with B, but no.

Don't do it, you know it's not allowed. You want to run your Abacus with yourself of your group of friends together, go for it.

Don't ask, Don't tell is still very much in play, people can and will report you for it and if you get caught you're in trouble.

Run your calculator quietly, don't go shouting it out that you are going to check others with your math tools and decide if they can play with you.

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ok grey LOL

I like this wordplay like 'abacus' and 'math tools' implying parsers are even remotely hard to use or understand.

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I quit WOW for that very reason, and the abusive, manipulative and toxic atmospheres they created. Allow parsers in the game, and on the foilowing day you will have some wannabe spamming parser numbers in Sastasha. It wont happen?

Yes, it will. I gaurantee it.

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No one, literally ever, in 14 years of wow, has pointed out DPS numbers in Ragefire Chasm or Deadmines in WoW from my experience-which is that game's version of Sastasha. People don't even do this in max level dungeons in WoW, outside of the most toxic of people, which both games have such people, otherwise it happens in both games only in content where DPS actually matters.

I think you're exaggerating a little.

Also falls to reason to say, if you were doing good dps people wouldn't complain about your dps....have you tried getting better instead of getting offended that people called you out on poor performance? Just saying.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I like this wordplay like 'abacus' and 'math tools' implying parsers are even remotely hard to use or understand.

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Imagine if this game had Details and all it's functions. Knowing how the spread of all your dmg moves and how many times you used them as well as how many times each crit/direct hit would baffle some of these people somehow. How much mana you generated, dmg takin, dmg mitigated, interrupts used, etc. Slightly more advanced abacus be scary.

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Originally Posted by Xuled

ok grey LOL

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Ok, person who uses an alt/inactive character to talk smack on the forums with no one pulling up their logs.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I like this wordplay like 'abacus' and 'math tools' implying parsers are even remotely hard to use or understand.



No one, literally ever, in 14 years of wow, has pointed out DPS numbers in Ragefire Chasm or Deadmines in WoW from my experience-which is that game's version of Sastasha. People don't even do this in max level dungeons in WoW, outside of the most toxic of people, which both games have such people, otherwise it happens in both games only in content where DPS actually matters.

I think you're exaggerating a little.

Also falls to reason to say, if you were doing good dps people wouldn't complain about your dps....have you tried getting better instead of getting offended that people called you out on poor performance? Just saying.

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I'd say 75% of the posts of the person you're quoting are about how toxic parsers, wow and accountability are and being unable to see their own hostility/'toxicity' in the way they're posting about it
you can't reason with them

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Ok, person who uses an alt/inactive character to talk smack on the forums with no one pulling up their logs.

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rofl feelings got hurt so went on alt account I see. good job OP. one day you will accept a baseline standard of acceptable gameplay at endgame instead of carrying this "Gcbtw" community of low skill ceilings.

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Originally Posted by Xuled

ok grey LOL

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I think this just shows why it would be better if fflogs didn’t exist, or at least was private by default. It’s fun optimizing with friends and for people who want to try for the top rankings, but when you use it to look at other players and judge them for their ranking it is just encouraging toxic and not fun.

Even if that kind of harassment is not allowed in game it still encourages that kind of toxicity outside the game like in this thread or in discord and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Xuled

rofl feelings got hurt so went on alt account I see. good job OP. one day you will accept a baseline standard of acceptable gameplay at endgame instead of carrying this "Gcbtw" community of low skill ceilings.

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I'm.... not the OP. You need to get your eyes checked.

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Originally Posted by Medura

Parsers is fully legit to use as they doesnt affect the game in any way

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Actually in a recent interview they finally specifically addressed this and said otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I like this wordplay like 'abacus' and 'math tools' implying parsers are even remotely hard to use or understand.

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While people who regularly run savage and other upper end content with statics will say they've never seen issues with these tools because they're likely running with people that use such tools to self improve - the problem is in low tier content.

Coming from WoW, all the harassment I'd see over meters, logs, etc was in low end PUG dungeons and raids - and when people at this level tried to form statics.

World First raiders (top 10-20 guilds) don't even use these tools because they're all so good they know how anyone can spike the tools to get fake results that make them look better or someone else worse. They're also all good enough to take someone on a test run and be able to judge it accurately.

High end raiders (top 200 guilds or so) DO use the logs because they're still of the belief that the data is any good - and wonder why world firsters ignore their logs when they try to push up into those statics... but there's much drama in that tier over them.

Mid range raiders... they're good enough that their logs are OK and this is where I've found the least drama. These folks don't usually know how to cheat logs - so their data is closer to their skill, and they're usually all in statics so they're past judging by logs anyway - and instead use them as a group to do post run analysis among raid leaders.

Low end raiders - the logs are occult magic to these people. They have no idea what most of the numbers mean. All they know is A is better than B, so kick B from the group. Even if it was just that one pull, these folks often don't know how to gauge over time...


And this is where the toxicity would enter FFXIV - the low tier. In your leveling roulette of all places. Or in the 'raid roulette' that pops Alexander on one of those bosses that takes 12 seconds to down... Places where lower skilled players live. People like that looking at a log that says A did 30% more DPS than B - will go nuts at B, who suddenly finds themselves removed from their FC over it... Nevermind that B was a Dancer and A a Samurai...

It would also enter the game with mid-high people are forming up statics and using logs that some players can cheat and others cannot - and making calls on who gets to stay or get tossed out over it. But mostly, it would make running your daily roulette a nightmare of toxic chat... People would be going nuts at each other in Sastasha... Sounds absurd, but that's how it plays out in WoW.

And the problem is that once players are getting 'tilted' by the Sastasga runs, they bring that with them into the local chat when hanging out in Limsa and elsewhere... and it just starts to spread like a disease...

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Originally Posted by MsQi

You need to realize that the authority of SE far exceeds that of any raid/party leader or any third party tool. The data pertaining to a particular character is entrusted to the player of said character. They are allowed to use that data and limit it's use to some degree.

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All of the data that parsers use is already made explicitly publicly available in the game itself. Anyone who is in your vicinity can see exactly which abilities you are executing, how much damage they are dealing, and anything you are saying into chat. As Yoshida has said in the past, if anyone so desired they could sweep select the combat log and insert the data into an excel sheet.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Being what you call a "bad player" is not a crime. They are not a suspect to be tried in your court. If you don't want them in the group you are forming then don't let them in. But, don't make it public that you are looking at FFlogs to make your decision.

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Being a bad player and intentionally taking measures to obfuscate that fact while applying to groups that you know are well above your skillset is shady at best, toxic at worst. Almost every group that recruits on external platforms requests logs or searches their applicants. If this option wasn't available, groups would have to waste hours upon hours of time trialing people that they could have easily disqualified with a simple log check. You would be absolutely astonished at the types of players that attempt to apply for ultimate groups sometimes.

I'm invested in the success of my group, and I'm not going to waste their or my time because I feel some misguided moral imperative not to look at freely available data.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I've seen it. Had nothing to do with a parser either. "damn this trash is taking FOREVER to die wth" is usually it.

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As a Healer myself, spamming Dyskrasia and Toxikon, trash is taking too long when the Tank starts running out of Defensives and nothing is dead yet. While I'm the kind of person who just suffers in silence in order to force a party to the finish line, I'm sure theres more than a few people who would rather try to prod others into doing better with all the subtelty of a bag of bricks lol.

Don't need a parser to see that trash is taking too long to clear lol. The exact numbers from each party member is entirely irrelavent to the fact that the Tank is out of defensive buttons and all I can do is spam E-Diag to keep the Tank alive because i have absolutely nothing left other than GCD heals (yes, This happened a number of times, primarily in the first 2 dungeons and the first few days after hitting 90 when groups went into EXRoulette dungeons without even getting their job gear) though this happens far less often now that most people have farmed up the tome gear at least lol.

It's kind of sad that any mention of the party's performance other than 'wow everyone is amazing!' is immediately accused of attacking people with a parser :/

I've even been accused of such when i tried to help a Black Mage way back in the olden days of ARR Aurum Vale when i saw the poor fella spamming Fire 3 and Blizzard 3.
Had to remind the party that cast bars were very much visible in the party list and i could literally see what he was doing wrong with his rotation, lol.
(He actually took the advice really well and immediately started riding the Tanks enmity where previously he was barely visible on the bar lol)

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Actually the TOS prohibits software that modifies the games code, so it isn't "legit." They just choose not to enforce it...for now.

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Parsers do not modify anything. They literally just read the text logs from the game and calculate the numbers to give you a total dps. Even if SE wanted to enforce it, there is no way they could because there's no code being injected into the game for them to detect.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

and it really sucks. Coming from WoW, I was so happy to hear (what was now obviously a lie) this game had no addons. Oh well.

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Technically it doesn't. There is no official support or open API like WoW and none of them are required to do content. Only the super hardcore/world first groups go out of their way to mandate any kind of raid overlays. The large majority of the playerbase doesn't care, especially considering a lot of raiders are on console where they have no access to mods anyways. I don't use any mods and I have yet found a reason to ever use them.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Parsers do not modify anything. They literally just read the text logs from the game and calculate the numbers to give you a total dps. Even if SE wanted to enforce it, there is no way they could because there's no code being injected into the game for them to detect.

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2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

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Parsing is a term in Final Fantasy XIV that refers to the tracking of DPS via third party tools. It’s generally used to track performance in dungeons, raids, and trials – but Square officially discourages their use. So what’s the deal?

By using a plug-in like ACT (Advanced Combat Tracker), players can monitor DPS output from both themselves and party members.

This involves modifying your game client, something Square have expressly forbidden multiple times in the past.

Usage of third party programs within FFXIV – even ones that just modify your character’s appearance – can result in a range of punishments, including time-outs to a mysterious jail for naughty players.

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Dunno, sounds like parsing is directly against the ToS.

The logs are literally saved in clear text to your documents folder.....I can open the log and type out the numbers in a calculator and come to the exact same result as the parser does. It's just doing an OCR and has nothing to do with data mining.

Regardless of if its against the TOS or not, it doesn't matter either way because all it is doing is reading logs that are saved locally to your PC. They cannot tell if you're running the parser or not, which is why Yoshi has treated it a as a grey area. As long as you don't harass other players with it you're fine. If players are harassing you about your dps numbers or if you see PF's advertising anything related to parsing then yes absolutely report them. Otherwise, who cares?

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Originally Posted by Esper56

Dunno, sounds like parsing is directly against the ToS.

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That's like saying Excel Spreadsheets are against ToS.

The logfiles are right there in a public folder where your XIV configs, character creation saves, screenshots, keybinds etc are saved.

Short of SQenix putting deep encryption on the folders to stop third party programs from reading what is being printed in those logs, They have absolutely no way to detect or prevent a user from utilizing the data contained within said logs.

You can, quite literally, Paste your log file into Excel and manually do the calculations if you wanted to badly enough. All the parser is doing is .. Parsing the available data.

They will ban you in a heartbeat if you start harrassing people for their DPS using data gleaned from a parser.
So don't harrass anyone or reveal the data in-game and you'll be fine.

So when people parse in game, they aren't doing it via a third-party plugin, but rather taking log files and uploading it into a program?

So do you guys just review it after a savage/extreme run is over?

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Originally Posted by Esper56

So when people parse in game, they aren't doing it via a third-party plugin, but rather taking log files and uploading it into a program?

So do you guys just review it after a savage/extreme run is over?

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Actually, yeah, that's usually how it's done.

FFLogs re-parses the completed log-file after the fact and provides significantly more indepth analysis about runs, where ACT's real-time output is considered pretty primitive and often unhelpful.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Actually, yeah, that's usually how it's done.

FFLogs re-parses the completed log-file after the fact and provides significantly more indepth analysis about runs, where ACT's real-time output is considered pretty primitive and often unhelpful.

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See now this is the information I seem to have been missing or overlooked through this entire thread/articles I've read on what parsers are. The whole time it seemed like everyone was talking about a plug-in/addon that was constantly doing it in real time and not something done after the fact to review your mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Esper56

See now this is the information I seem to have been missing or overlooked through this entire thread/articles I've read on what parsers are. The whole time it seemed like everyone was talking about a plug-in/addon that was constantly doing it in real time and not something done after the fact to review your mistakes.

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That's because LittleImp is incorrect. ACT is the plugin that writes out the logs in a format that is used not only for the plugin, but also FFLogs. The two developers often work together to ensure they are in sync with changes.

No, ACT is a hack that looks directly at the game data. It’s not just looking at the chat log it looks at what the game data is on your computer. That’s why you can even see some people use ACT to call out mechanics before it’s even shown in the game or things that don’t have any chat log like titan jails. SE even has to use special codes every patch to try to obfuscate this data to prevent it but hackers quickly decode it and then update ACT with it

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Originally Posted by lisaa

No, ACT is a hack that looks directly at the game data. It’s not just looking at the chat log it looks at what the game data is on your computer. That’s why you can even see some people use ACT to call out mechanics before it’s even shown in the game. SE even has to use special codes every patch to try to obfuscate this data to prevent it but hackers quickly decode it and then update ACT with it

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Cactbot and triggers are separate plug-ins. Default ACT just parses the battle log.

They are plugins into ACT that work because ACT provides them with that data.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

That's because LittleImp is incorrect. ACT is the plugin that writes out the logs in a format that is used not only for the plugin, but also FFLogs. The two developers often work together to ensure they are in sync with changes.

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I skimmed over the first line of their post, my bad.

ACT generates a log file by reading memory or network packets, using a plugin created by a third party developer. FFLogs DOES NOT use log files generated by the game itself, and relies upon the log files generated via said ACT plugin. That said, this program is read-only, and is essentially impossible for SE to detect without adding intrusive anti-cheat that may run afoul of the law in certain regions where the game is available. They don't enforce their policies around it because they feel they can't.

ACT does allow you to view figures in real time, but is generally considered primitive and difficult to navigate in order to derive meaningful information from, so many players decide instead to upload the logfile and focus on the post-game analytics provided by FFLogs.This means that many people who interact with parsing don't actually run the software themselves, but can still make use of the analytics.

Yoshi-p just literally said it :
- “But I know you’ll see this in party finder”
- “Only join if you can prove XXX amount of dps “
- “We never want that to happen “

Basically what people are doing lol https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU

On a side not, se probably needs to add a dps meter only to SSS. Not the vague concept of "you have 3 minutes to kill the target".
LOA devs are, for example, too against in game dps meters, but eventually added one only, and only, in trision(training grounds, SSS)

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Originally Posted by ACXVIII

Yoshi-p just literally said it :
- “But I know you’ll see this in party finder”
- “Only join if you can prove XXX amount of dps “
- “We never want that to happen “

Basically what people are doing lol https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU

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People will still do this kind of thing in the absence of a parser. I've even seen PS4 statics which require you to send screenshot proof of your Stone, Sky, Sea kill-time as part of the application process.

Really, they would need to eliminate DPS checks / enrage altogether to cure this problem; As long as content has hard numeric requirements, people are going to be unhappy if someone is holding the party back by underperforming.

I’m just saying, people are defending the advertisement of parsers on party finder and saying that “it’s ok, just don’t join them”. It is not ok, but not because of the toxicity it will bring if it will bring any, but because it goes against of what YoshiP and the devs are stating. It’s their game and you abide by their rules. If they say no, then it’s no.

Also “send a screenshot of your stone kill time” it will be taken as a form of harassment by SE, but I see your point.

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Originally Posted by ACXVIII

I’m just saying, people are defending the advertisement of parsers on party finder and saying that “it’s ok, just don’t join them”. It is not ok, but not because of the toxicity it will bring if it will bring any, but because it goes against of what YoshiP and the devs are stating. It’s their game and you abide by their rules. If they say no, then it’s no.

Also “send a screenshot of your stone kill time” it will be taken as a form of harassment by SE, but I see your point.

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I'm not defending those groups. If you see that in party finder then send in a report and the GM's will deal with it. I am however defending the general use of parsers. I think they are a great tool for personal use and for FFLOGS to get a general idea of overall end game class balance. Yes, it sucks that the more hardcore groups push them the way they do, but I quite like SE's general stance on it which is "we know you use it, just don't harass people with it." So ya, 100% absolutely report anyone who is using it to gate/harass players.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Really, they would need to eliminate DPS checks / enrage altogether to cure this problem; As long as content has hard numeric requirements, people are going to be unhappy if someone is holding the party back by underperforming.

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Then the difficulty of savage becomes null. The fight can drag for 15m+ with players who don't know what a combo is. It would inherently encourage bad habits and play. We would have turned savage into ... a normal raid with extra mechanics lol.

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Originally Posted by ACXVIII

I’m just saying, people are defending the advertisement of parsers on party finder and saying that “it’s ok, just don’t join them”. It is not ok, but not because of the toxicity it will bring if it will bring any, but because it goes against of what YoshiP and the devs are stating. It’s their game and you abide by their rules. If they say no, then it’s no.

Also “send a screenshot of your stone kill time” it will be taken as a form of harassment by SE, but I see your point.

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What YoshiP and the devs are stating ? They never stated. They skirted.
The issue is - it's a grey middle ground. There was never any no and never will there be when it comes to parsing.

Parsers will never be illegal, until the moment you harass someone because of their underperformance.
Most, if not all, high end raiders use parsers, that is the fact of raiding in any mmo.
YoshiP and the devs knows this and to directly start banning everyone of the mention of parse without any context would alienate the raiding scene.

A PF parse party is something you have complete control over joining or leaving at any moment. The mere mention of parse shouldn't make you feel threatened by some imagined inherent toxicity, and if it does that's a you problem.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Then the difficulty of savage becomes null. The fight can drag for 15m+ with players who don't know what a combo is. It would inherently encourage bad habits and play. We would have turned savage into ... a normal raid with extra mechanics lol.



What YoshiP and the devs are stating ? They never stated. They skirted.
The issue is - it's a grey middle ground. There was never any no and never will there be when it comes to parsing.

Parsers will never be illegal, until the moment you harass someone because of their underperformance.
Most, if not all, high end raiders use parsers, that is the fact of raiding in any mmo.
YoshiP and the devs knows this and to directly start banning everyone of the mention of parse without any context would alienate the raiding scene.

A PF parse party is something you have complete control over joining or leaving at any moment. The mere mention of parse shouldn't make you feel threatened by some imagined inherent toxicity, and if it does that's a you problem.

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Really? You didn’t saw the video? Really? The part when they STATE “We never want that to happen”. They actually use the word “NO”. You can sugar-coat all you want but it is what it is. But hey… you do you. Like Yoshi said “ you do it on your own risk.

If it’s ok to advertise on PF that you are parsing the battle for any reason, explain to me why people are using switch words and don’t actually said it openly “we are parsing”? Because it’s against the rules.

Regardless of a parser not modifying any code and the whole "Don't ask don't tell", I think parsing should be a bannable offense. There is no point in needing to run a parser at all. It's literally only a tool to feed your own ego on FFLogs, belittle others and weed out players who aren't performing to said parsers desirable level.