FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

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Originally Posted by Velnora

It's not that other game communities are better. It's how people promote this game under this light of "purity", when they themselves are often the exact opposite. Hence the "Great community, btw".

Especially when taking into account draconian ToS. It just makes people question the sincerity of others niceness. Is it genuine; or for fear of being punished if you act out.

I've been in FC's where discord is used exclusively, to circumvent any risk of infractions.

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One might think that the Community is just one giant Cult with its own strict rules and Idol of worship .

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Originally Posted by Anhra

One might think that the Community is just one giant Cult with its own strict rules and Idol of worship .

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Because it is.

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Originally Posted by Anhra

One might think that the Community is just one giant Cult with its own strict rules and Idol of worship .

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I dunno. The only rule I'm aware of is the one I made that said if I ever caught someone worshiping me as an idol I would slap them across the face with a tuna until they stopped doing so.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

I dunno. The only rule I'm aware of is the one I made that said if I ever caught someone worshiping me as an idol I would slap them across the face with a tuna until they stopped doing so.

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Don't threaten them with a good time.

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Originally Posted by Anhra

One might think that the Community is just one giant Cult with its own strict rules and Idol of worship .

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Or one could consider that there is no single Community, learn to play by the rules set forth by the game company that enforces them, and get on with their life.

I have yet to see someone promote this game as a 'light of purity'. I have watched, and read posts, from people who appear to enjoy the relative lack of abuse from other players that is common in PVP-centric MMORPGs.

The fact that you cannot "swear like a sailor" (something with which I am intimately acquainted) in public without attracting some form of moderation is a good thing when I compare it to what's apparently allowed in other (mostly non-MMORPG) games.

From what I've been reading here of late, the only true Idol to worship stands above the altar of abusive gamesmanship. I'm certain that is not what you intended to convey. Or was it?

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Don't threaten them with a good time.

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I'd hope the number of people that actually enjoy someone swinging a 200kg fish like a weapon and hitting them in the face would be quite small... >.>;

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Or one could consider that there is no single Community, learn to play by the rules set forth by the game company that enforces them, and get on with their life.

I have yet to see someone promote this game as a 'light of purity'. I have watched, and read posts, from people who appear to enjoy the relative lack of abuse from other players that is common in PVP-centric MMORPGs.

The fact that you cannot "swear like a sailor" (something with which I am intimately acquainted) in public without attracting some form of moderation is a good thing when I compare it to what's apparently allowed in other (mostly non-MMORPG) games.

From what I've been reading here of late, the only true Idol to worship stands above the altar of abusive gamesmanship. I'm certain that is not what you intended to convey. Or was it?

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The fact you can get banned for simply swearing, is asinine in itself.

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Originally Posted by Velnora

The fact you can get banned for simply swearing, is asinine in itself.

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Just about every MMO on the market has some sort of policy for this. It's just less moderated than others in some games. As someone who swears a lot on a daily basis outside of the game, I don't mind this at all. It's really not that difficult of a rule to follow. Just equip that filter on your brain and you're good to go! Even if I see someone else cursing though I will never report them unless they take it to certain extremes. It doesn't bother me in most cases when I see it in game. I doubt it bothers much of anyone, honestly, but people are still rolling the dice if they decide to take part. All it takes is one person who is not okay with it.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Just about every MMO on the market has some sort of policy for this. It's just less moderated than others in some games. As someone who swears a lot on a daily basis outside of the game, I don't mind this at all. It's really not that difficult of a rule to follow. Just equip that filter on your brain and you're good to go! Even if I see someone else cursing though I will never report them unless they take it to certain extremes. It doesn't bother me in most cases when I see it in game.

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Just about every mmo on the market doesn't have draconian rules. They also have language filters.

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Originally Posted by Velnora

Just about every mmo on the market doesn't have draconian rules. They also have language filters.

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Yes they do. Every single one of them.

And language filters are simply that. XIV has them too. But there's also a difference between swearing and swearing at people.

WoW, New World, ESO, all of these have profanity filters, and all of them can ban you for swearing, even just a quick google shows its not exactly uncommon.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yes they do. Every single one of them.

And language filters are simply that. XIV has them too. But there's also a difference between swearing and swearing at people.

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No, they absolutely do not.

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Originally Posted by Velnora

No, they absolutely do not.

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Yes, they absolutely do.

Op if you waste people's time they are going to get upset. I understand that many people are not hardcore players however, I have been in far too many parties where people simply do not read nor care about mechanics.

I have had horrific experiences in the level 80 roulette (NOT EXPERT), I used to main DRK meaning i had no self sustain. I then had this displeasure of having a healer that died to the same mechanic roughly 9 times in a row. We stopped, I explained and they confirmed they understood then boom 20 sec into the fight they are dead again. I wasn't hostile or anything I just excused myself and left the party but, understand that I wasted (for lack of a better word) roughly 70 minutes explaining a very simple mechanic to this guy. I think anyone would get upset, as a result of that encounter (and many similar ones) I completely refuse to do content solo on my DRK. I switched to PLD for dailies now because I can self heal through most of the dungeons as i have a hard time trusting random healers.

You might contend that its toxic but I don't want to spend 70 mins on a dungeon thats suppose to be done in 15 minutes. Everyone is using their time here and it's unfair to expect everyone to just be all smiles and rainbows when one person is holding the entire group back. Their are so many options if you struggle, excuse yourself from the group, go watch a guide on youtube, go read you tooltips, check out a class guide, etc.

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Originally Posted by Anhra

There are some convenient half-truths and half-lies mixed in there. Being either a Hardcore MMO Player or Casual Player is all about time commitment, nothing more and nothing less.

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That is an oversimplification that doesn't exactly match the definitions of those words. Those words that I listed are not my definitions, by the way, so I'm not sure what you mean by half-lies when I just looked up the definitions and listed them.

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A Hardcore Player is someone who willing to play many Hours of one type of Content (often in one go without putting much time into necessary things such as sleep or hygiene for example) until he gets the desired result or object. A good example for this in FFXIV terms, would be if you would aim for the Triceratops/Centurio Mount and try to catch EVERY single Hunt train and callout for the next 3 Months or so, or, if you spent 16+ Hours crafting every day just to get that Pteranodon Mount, until the point of obtaining it.

Now a casual Player, is nothing more than someone, who only runs Content on his own Terms and never for truly a long period of time. Doing the same Grinds as mentioned above, but only every now and then, like for example, after getting off work and playing 1-5 Hours every now and then, is already considered as playing casually.



Tl;dr: Attitude has nothing to do with someone being hardcore or casual, its all about time commitment.

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Like I said, you're taking a narrow and oversimplified view of the terms. Attitude definitely has a part depending on which definitions you're using, like the first two definitions listed under hardcore or the first definition listed under casual.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

fan vote, so it's not saying much

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It's limited in scope to those who would bother to vote, but it's still saying something in comparison to the other competing games.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

if it'd have been a neutral jury or magazine that'd have crowned the XIV community the best fanbase, that'd be something wholly different
that's like asking a baker if his bakery is the best - of course he'll say yes, why wouldn't he? parading that the fanbase voted for itself as the best community as some gotcha moment is hilarious

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There cannot be a neutral judge when it comes to something that is very subjective. That is why popular vote is the best way to gauge how people feel about their own community.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yes, they absolutely do.

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It's your story.

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Originally Posted by linayar

That is an oversimplification that doesn't exactly match the definitions of those words. Those words that I listed are not my definitions, by the way, so I'm not sure what you mean by half-lies when I just looked up the definitions and listed them.

Like I said, you're taking a narrow and oversimplified view of the terms. Attitude definitely has a part depending on which definitions you're using, like the first two definitions listed under hardcore or the first definition listed under casual.

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It is simplified in explaination, because that's all there is to it. Your opinion about personality taking a role into someone being hardcore/casual, is only referencing to stereotypes. Casual Players can be just as toxic/friendly as Hardcore Players just as both can be either good or bad at the Game theyre playing.

Also, if you dont provide any proper explaination to your claims, then your statement about me being wrong holds no gravity.

The terms Hardcore / casual as used by this game's community kind of have their own colloquial implications. It's usually delineated by the content being participated in. In this game, 'hardcore' usually means combat-related content with a competitive element, particularly savage / ultimate / pvp. Sometimes it's applied to people who were topping leaderboards on ishgard restoration.

Personally, I've always found this funny, as I know self-identified 'casual' players who play the game more obsessively than I do; They simply spend most of that time decorating, rping and socializing. Typically I find 'casual' is a self-imposed label that just means "I don't feel motivated to do anything above EX difficulty", but has no real bearing on their dedication to the game at large.

OP is a freestyle Samurai

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yes, they absolutely do.

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I think there's a distinction missing in this particular part of the conversation.

Every game has a draconian ToS it's just not enforced. It's in place so that the companies have absolute power over the players but a majority of companies don't use even a quarter of the rights they have over players it's simply a contingency.

As someone who has played a lot mmorpg games for the past 20 ish years I can say that FFXIV is the most heavily policed game I've seen since I've started playing mmorpgs to date on the market.
The closest thing to it might by LoL's toxic/leaver's queue. No other game is as heavily policed.

You did touch on this on your earlier post but I don't think you really highlighted how big of a difference it actually is relative to other mmorpgs.
As long as it's not racist it's pretty much the wild west in every other game, maybe you get in trouble once every 3 years for something you did 2 years ago after 100 reports.
Now if that's a good or bad thing I can't really say.

I would however say that players do notice how policed a game is and it does create a lean towards a certain personality type as they all congregate to the same place.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

I think there's a distinction missing in this particular part of the conversation.

Every game has a draconian ToS it's just not enforced. It's in place so that the companies have absolute power over the players but a majority of companies don't use even a quarter of the rights they have over players it's simply a contingency.

As someone who has played a lot mmorpg games for the past 20 ish years I can say that FFXIV is the most heavily policed game I've seen since I've started playing mmorpgs to date on the market.
The closest thing to it might by LoL's toxic/leaver's queue. No other game is as heavily policed.

You did touch on this on your earlier post but I don't think you really highlighted how big of a difference it actually is relative to other mmorpgs.
As long as it's not racist it's pretty much the wild west in every other game, maybe you get in trouble once every 3 years for something you did 2 years ago after 100 reports.
Now if that's a good or bad thing I can't really say.

I would however say that players do notice how policed a game is and it does create a lean towards a certain personality type as they all congregate to the same place.

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The ToS in FFXIV are mostly fine, but i think their way of punishing People are a bit too hard in certain aspects, like if someone starts insulting someone can already lead to a ban (just disabling the chat of that Person ingame should be enough imo) which WILL be hold aganist you for the next 3-5 years if anything else should ever happen.

The longer you play this Game and start caring about it, it is only a matter of time until you slip up for the first time and drop the soap.
And before anyone says it:
No it still does not make it fair even if you get issued a warning at first before u get banned next time for language reasons. Calling someone a Casual for example, CAN AND WILL be considered as a insult already which is just silly.

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Originally Posted by Anhra

The ToS in FFXIV are mostly fine, but i think their way of punishing People are a bit too hard in certain aspects, like if someone starts insulting someone can already lead to a ban (just disabling the chat of that Person ingame should be enough imo) which WILL be hold aganist you for the next 3-5 years if anything else should ever happen.

The longer you play this Game and start caring about it, it is only a matter of time until you slip up for the first time and drop the soap.
And before anyone says it:
No it still does not make it fair even if you get issued a warning at first before u get banned next time for language reasons. Calling someone a Casual for example, CAN AND WILL be considered as a insult already which is just silly.

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Amazing then, that I have been playing for a decade and not once have I gotten a warning or GM called on me, despite, wait for it... Talking to people... in game! The horror!

what does that have to do with their argument? what's the point for this dig at them? to show that they're not as good as you because, in your eyes, they can't control themselves? while you're oh so great at it?
that's pretty childish and petty, if you ask me

*Pulls up chair and gets popcorn*

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

what does that have to do with their argument? what's the point for this dig at them? to show that they're not as good as you because, in your eyes, they can't control themselves? while you're oh so great at it?
that's pretty childish and petty, if you ask me

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They said anyone who gets attached to the game will at some point get banned. I've literally been playing since launch and never had it happen. That's what it has to do with their argument. Neither have any of my friends, or anyone in my static groups over the years.


It's pointless fear-mongering.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They said anyone who gets attached to the game will at some point get banned. I've literally been playing since launch and never had it happen. That's what it has to do with their argument. Neither have any of my friends, or anyone in my static groups over the years.


It's pointless fear-mongering.

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I agree, playing since the launch of ARR and I've never been banned or warned, and I'm not exactly a politically correct person, lol. SE needs strict rules in place to allow them to punish people and "scare" people.
However, they seem to assess every situation individually and don't go overboard when enforcing the rules.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

I think there's a distinction missing in this particular part of the conversation.

Every game has a draconian ToS it's just not enforced.

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Yep, I made a similar point as well, but they didn't want to hear that either. :p

I haven't been banned or so much as warned either, but I've seen a few people around me get banned under completely ridiculous circumstances, so it's not like it just doesn't happen.

My favorite was when my friend was banned for saying something like "The msq is boring, when can I start raiding" into the Novice Network. It kicked off a huge mud-slinging argument between two other mentors with existing bad blood, and my friend pretty much immediately exited the conversation after he was told he needed to "quit the game if he didn't like the msq". For some reason neither of us will ever understand, the GMs decided to hold him responsible for the argument he inadvertently started, and he was slapped with a 3 day ban. I witnessed the entire thing personally, so it really wasn't one of those "more to the story" cases.

I know people who have been given strikes for kicking blatant trolls from the Novice Network, including people using multiple characters to ban-evade NN kicks.

That case with the private PF that said "Snape kills Legolas in John Wick 4" getting someone a strike/ban was amusing, but ridiculous.

I frequently find myself describing the profanity policy to newer players when I see them swearing in-game, and most normal people seem to think it's completely ridiculous. I have to agree that getting banned for saying "F*ck!" into chat as you fall off of a platform is pretty stupid, particularly because it gets automatically censored, but it is what it is.

Chances of any of this happening are very low though. Someone has to be willing to report you, and the GM that gets assigned the ticket has to be willing to punish you. The stars do align occasionally, but frankly not enough to really worry about. I do, however, try to give people the benefit of the doubt to some extent when they claim they were banned for a stupid reason, pending more details.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They said anyone who gets attached to the game will at some point get banned. I've literally been playing since launch and never had it happen. That's what it has to do with their argument. Neither have any of my friends, or anyone in my static groups over the years.

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this is the only game where I've heard of people getting banned with the sole reason being swear words aimed at nobody or at most, themselves
that's pretty bad in my eyes, because it makes you wonder why the swear filter even exists when a singular use can get you banned if you're unlucky

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

this is the only game where I've heard of people getting banned with the sole reason being swear words aimed at nobody or at most, themselves
that's pretty bad in my eyes, because it makes you wonder why the swear filter even exists when a singular use can get you banned if you're unlucky

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It happens in WoW too, at least in extreme cases. It's just more tolerated there I guess. I don't really understand what the big deal is though. Just...don't curse? Seriously, that's all people need to do. lol I curse outside of the game more than I probably should, but putting my filter on while playing an MMO (or going out in public) isn't difficult by any means.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It happens in WoW too, at least in extreme cases. It's just more tolerated there I guess. I don't really understand what the big deal is though. Just...don't curse? Seriously, that's all people need to do. lol I curse outside of the game more than I probably should, but putting my filter on while playing an MMO (or going out in public) isn't difficult by any means.

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Same. I swear all the time on Discord with friends or while with certain people at work. Never translated into typing in game tho.

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It happens in WoW too, at least in extreme cases. It's just more tolerated there I guess. I don't really understand what the big deal is though. Just...don't curse? I curse outside of the game more than I probably should, but putting my filter on while playing an MMO isn't difficult by any means.

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some people might curse out of sheer habit when they make a mistake and/or get annoyed at themselves - and it's no big deal either to not blow a single expletive out of proportion when it's aimed at nobody or just themselves
I could very well say, just don't report? because most, if not everyone, has cursed in their life at one point, and reporting someone because they used it because they made a mistake, is very very very petty and childish, in my eyes

I did actually remember a game which bans you for minor things if you're unlucky: rocket league! I got banned for calling myself a dumb idiot on there, once! didn't even use a swear word

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

some people might curse out of sheer habit when they make a mistake and/or get annoyed at themselves - and it's no big deal either to not blow a single expletive out of proportion when it's aimed at nobody or just themselves
I could very well say, just don't report? because most, if not everyone, has cursed in their life at one point, and reporting someone because they used it because they made a mistake, is very very very petty and childish, in my eyes

I did actually remember a game which bans you for minor things if you're unlucky: rocket league! I got banned for calling myself a dumb idiot on there, once! didn't even use a swear word

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I curse out of habit too, probably to the point that a drunken sailor would look at me in complete disgust. That doesn't give me any excuse to toss an expletive out at random in game or on these forums, knowing full well that it's against the ToS. And I would probably never report anyone for swearing unless they take it to certain extremes. Seriously, I truly don't care 99.99999% of the time. I think a lot of people feel this way. But the simplest solution is still the best one. Just don't do it.

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I curse out of habit too, probably to the point that a drunken sailor would look at me in complete disgust. That doesn't give me any excuse to toss an expletive out at random in game or on these forums, knowing full well that it's against the ToS. And I would probably never report anyone for swearing unless they take it to certain extremes. Seriously, I truly don't care 99.99999% of the time. I think a lot of people feel this way. But the simplest solution is still the best one. Just don't do it.

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neither would I, report someone for something minor like that or curse ingame, but from various experiences, we know that there's many people who do both, sadly

Swearing isn't anything like an issue in this game really. Yes it can get you banned but if you do it once in a while accidentally the chances of you getting a ban for it are extremely low. Mostly doesn't bother me at all unless every other word that comes out of someone is a swear word or they are constantly using filthy metaphors. Or using one for a name.

What does bother me though happened early in this thread. Claiming that age has no effect on reaction time. OH YES IT DOES. When I starting gaming I was in my late 30's/early 40's. Im now 60+ and my current reaction time frustrates me no end because it's so much slower. After around age 55 it began to really become apparent and here 10 years later, well I can't do anything about it so I just settle for simply not being as fast, which usually means not as good. But I do still learn so there's that. New stuff does not become clear to me as quickly as it did "back then" either but I still seem to learn many things quicker than some younger people, just not everything and not as quickly as I'd like or as quickly as I once did. But again, I can do nothing at all about it. If I really want to get better I practice, and if I don't, then I do something else. I play games to have fun. Learning is fun; being around a bunch of toxic people isn't fun.

It's so weird how people would report for swearing, when there is a filter. If they cared so much about swearing, one would think they would use it. Seems as though they just look for a reason to report someone.

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Amidst all the back-and-forth about how players should spend time getting better at the game and how long grinds are completely reasonable, what is lost is that Yoshi P designed this game to be casual, family-friendly, and inclusive.

This does not mean that hardcore content should be removed or reduced.

What this means is that you should not expect hardcore performance from all players outside of hardcore content like Extreme trials. You should not expect everyone to want to or be able to "git gud" or improve. You should not demand story and side content that are not supposed to be hardcore to not offer casual players an alternative way to enjoy (with the understanding that they will not get the same loot as hardcore players).

Again, nothing in this means that hardcore content should be removed or reduced. Rather, it means that you should not expect the game and the game culture/environment to revolve around hardcore play.

In some of my recent threads expressing my worry that the loud minority of hardcore players may be signaling a skewed representation of the player base and cause biased expectations among the dev team, I received many thoughtful comments, but also many toxic and mean-spirited comments. I'll not name names but here are a few:

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I'm sorry but I found this hilarous, I cleared lastnight [...] two words;

Git Gud.

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If you have time to write bad troll posts like this, you have time to gitgud

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Age doesn’t diminish reaction time nor brain power and capacity. Certainly not by the age of 42.... here’s an idea OP. Get better at the game

(actually it does, and quite significantly)

https://sites.google.com/site/1314s1...9659272171.PNG

The toxicity aside, what this shows is that players expect Extreme/Savage-level competence from casual players, which is clearly not what the game is designed to do and not what the target player base is. In fact, Yoshi P himself expressed similar concerns.

https://www.siliconera.com/final-fan...-future-plans/

"Yoshida is turning 44-years-old next year, but he feels that he won’t be able to make high-tempo action games when he hits around 60. That said, an MMORPG that you can relax and enjoy would be perfect."

Yes, you heard that right, FF14 is an MMORPG that is designed to let you relax and enjoy. You should not be expecting that everyone playing this game is playing it as if it's a high-tempo action game. Many players, including myself, play this game to relax, not to stress about story being locked behind difficult content.

Additionally, no, not everyone has the privilege of spending time at improving at the game. Many of the comments I've received ask me to spend time improving.

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If you don't have the time to learn how to play the game, you don't have time to play the game.

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Have you ever thought that you’re just lazy? You say things are hard. Yes then you practice the fight until you have managed the fight.

But Yoshi P designed this game to be suited to players who are not hardcore.

https://www.cgmagonline.com/2015/03/...-with-yoshi-p/

I quote:

"During the release of Final Fantasy XI, it was considered the first generation of MMOs. Back then you were not able to do anything alone. Like, you can’t do any sort of solo play. You had to gather a party, you had to stand there to shout out and gather a group of people. That alone could take an hour. Then you had to walk over to whatever dungeon or quest with your party, and then you can’t come back for another four hours. That took a long time, but that also contributed to why it was so addicting. But now, people’s lives have become so busy, and there are just so many things to do that you can’t really allocate that chunk of time to play an online game. So when it came to Final Fantasy XIV we have taken that into consideration."

You heard that right, this game isn't catered towards hardcore players who can dedicate hours upon hours each day. It's for players like me who can only play a few hours a week. Do people seriously expect Extreme/Savage-level competence from players who only play super casually and likely quit once in a while? In fact, that's exactly what Yoshi P expects:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...otivation_and/

"It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

Instead, what we see on the forums is the loud minority that expects players to be playing this game several hours a day and expect pro players to be participating in what is supposed to be casual content like Bozja. Of course, you can't see how intimidating Castrum Lacus Litore or Red Comet is if you've put thousands of hours into this game already. But keep in mind this game is not made for hardcore hours or hardcore players. If you're expecting everyone to find Extreme level mechanics a cakewalk knowing that many players may have just returned to the game or only play a few hours a week you either have ridiculously high expectations or are not taking into account that players in this game are of different ages (and will maybe have worse reaction times), may be neuroatypical or have disabilities (and can therefore find certain specific mechanics overly hard).

If you're here to tell me just to "git gud", then I guess my point is completely lost on you.

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Can we go back to games where skills and determination matter instead of dancing with mechanics and memorizing scripts?

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Can we go back to games where skills and determination matter instead of dancing with mechanics and memorizing scripts?

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PvE has always been memorizing scripts and dancing with mechanics.

While this post means well and I see the direction of the post...it reverts back to a continually progressing problem all over the world - "We can't have both"

Every thing is about black, white, brown, republican, democrat, communist, gay, straight, girl, boy, etc etc. The point being a video game doesn't need to be defined as "One or the other".

Hardcore players pushing casual players to play at a hardcore tempo, and casual players beating the brows of hardcore players that this game should be beat at their tempo.

It has and always will be a mute point. The majority of content is for the most part considered solo-casual in terms of effort, time and difficulty depending on what your definition (That's right...YOUR DEFINITION) of what hard, time consuming content is.

Instead of accepting everyone has a role here, a slice of the game so to speak, everyone tries to take ownership of the game as if it somehow validates why they play the game. Just play the game and accept that it does a great job in providing quality to a wide range of players.

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It's so weird how people would report for swearing, when there is a filter. If they cared so much about swearing, one would think they would use it. Seems as though they just look for a reason to report someone.

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A swearing filter does not preclude you from acting civil. The inclusion of a filter is not open invitation to have a foul mouth.

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So then, what is the point of the filter, if not for people that do not like seeing swearing? If someone is going to go out of there way to report someone for swearing, but not enable the filter, that just tells me they are being petty. Or rather, acting in bad faith.