Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

Just like two same parsers with the exact same settings will parse different numbers. What else ?

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Having used ACT extensively with my static groups in the past, I'm skeptical of that actually happening to a degree that it invalidates the general value of the information and would need to see it demonstrated. Any variations should generally be small enough (often the result of DoT simulation variations, which I mentioned in my post, or other things, like ping or when the parser registers an individual user as in combat and thus starts recording, and so on) to still provide for a reliable benchmark.

Not that I take parser results as gospel--they have a lot of idiosyncrasies that anyone using them as a tool to gauge performance should keep in mind. But they're also the only tool we currently have to really gauge performance for individual DPS. Luckily, that's going to be changing soon, with the addition of the Training Hall (or whatever it's named).

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Just started playing the game? Just unsubscribe immediately
That will be next.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Steam-newbies

Seems your horror scenario is not likely to be next on that list.

I can understand when you arent at level 60 and you're still learning mechanics, but its kinda confusing when I'm in Cleric Stance as an SCH and there are 2 SMNs in the party, and I only see 2 different Arcanist DOTs on the boss or only my own ShadowFlare up.

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Originally Posted by Wizarus

I can understand when you arent at level 60 and you're still learning mechanics, but its kinda confusing when I'm in Cleric Stance as an SCH and there are 2 SMNs in the party, and I only see 2 different Arcanist DOTs on the boss or only my own ShadowFlare up.

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If I was the tank in that scenario I'd be wondering why the boss isn't covered in DoTs and dieing from Plauge with that set up.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

i'm just watching him not even cast huton at *all* and when he did do it,

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Am I the only one who found this part so contracting to stop reading?

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Originally Posted by Alahra

The DoT ticks in particular for ACT are simulated

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This is technically correct.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

the program makes some assumptions about which ticks crit

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This is incontestably correct.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

and how much they hit for in general, based on what buffs are up at the time of application

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This is completely false. ACT does not estimate DoT damage any longer since average DoT damage is sent from the server to the client (it is in fact not parsing the battle log, it uses your PC network traffic) and so damage per tick is no longer ball park estimated. Damage itself of course is random, but the server already calculates the average ahead of time, so the final value over the duration is correct. Adjustments due to spell speed, raging strikes, etc. are already calculated by the server and sent to the client so it is no longer necessary to do estimation. Critical hits however are (obviously) random and we don't know the true rates that we are criting in general so we can't really do much there. It will be interesting when we can do validation against the game's parser in the training hall. Although I don't know why people don't do validation right now against the game's parser in PvP...

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Originally Posted by Venom

Am I the only one who found this part so contracting to stop reading?

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I wrote this when I was mad. I ment when he did do it cause we told him to cast it, he wouldnt even armor crush to keep it up.

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Originally Posted by Venom

Am I the only one who found this part so contracting to stop reading?

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contradicting?

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I'm a Thunder Mage. Ain't nobody telling me what to do.

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I am an Arcane Mage - I just use Manawall and Manipulate myself back and forth between allies.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

This is completely false. ACT does not estimate DoT damage any longer since average DoT damage is sent from the server to the client (it is in fact not parsing the battle log, it uses your PC network traffic) and so damage per tick is no longer ball park estimated.

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That's good to know. I knew they made some changes to the way it worked toward the end of ARR, but didn't know they had managed to make the DoT readings more accurate.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I am an Arcane Mage - I just use Manawall and Manipulate myself back and forth between allies.

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I'm an unaspected mage, Scathe all day. L2p n00bz.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Heh, I can imagine it now. "Please show your qualifications for this video game." -hands over folder- "Oh no, I'm afraid we can't give you full access, but we may be able to offer you an internship..."

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http://i.imgur.com/5N7K5wSl.jpg
"It would seem in these 5 minutes of playing you've not got your Alexander Savage Clear yet... -Nervous looks at each other- I'm sorry to say you're not quite qualified to play in our eyes but we're willing to offer you a chance to ERP in Balmung"

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Just started playing the game? Just unsubscribe immediately
That will be next.

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Unfortunately, I've seen this other MMOs *cough* WoW *cough* where when I came back from a rather long break, and had people tell me "lol, you're new? Just unsub now, nobody wants new people."

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Originally Posted by Ironos

Unfortunately, I've seen this other MMOs *cough* WoW *cough* where when I came back from a rather long break, and had people tell me "lol, you're new? Just unsub now, nobody wants new people."

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I really would love to know where they got people that were never new, and how they expect any product to survive that never ever gets new paying customers.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I'm an unaspected mage, Scathe all day. L2p n00bz.

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I'm an Ancient Mage. Auto attacking all the way.(zero mana waste).

This is amusing as hell. OP get BTFO.

@Pinkie_Pie:

You know, I apologize for my comments. After going to other boards and such topics, our community is a tough crowd, with everything being opinionated (ie: arguments about why a healer should or shouldn't dps).

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

@Pinkie_Pie:

You know, I apologize for my comments. After going to other boards and such topics, our community is a tough crowd, with everything being opinionated (ie: arguments about why a healer should or shouldn't dps).

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It would seem, I saw the thread, already 34 pages in a short amount of time then mine did. And over healing having to dps, even I don't get mad about that, its their choice *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by Adire

I'm an unaspected mage, Scathe all day. L2p n00bz.

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I'm a time mage. I may look like I'm doing nothing, but I only attack when I freeze time.

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Originally Posted by Unaki

Simple: DPS isn't just right click, press a button.

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It may as well be for how little interaction there is in this and all the other WoW clones. Seriously who could even remotely consider this most dated style of point-and-click "combat" fun?

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Originally Posted by Callback

It may as well be for how little interaction there is in this and all the other WoW clones. Seriously who could even remotely consider this most dated style of point-and-click "combat" fun?

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Then why are you playing it with at least 1 job at 60? :)

When I see such numbers, I could cry. Was the third try. And every bomb did explode. Hell for healing too.

Latest DF A1 normal run.

Warrior (OT): 943 DPS.

Bard: 470 DPS.
Dragoon: 467 DPS.
Blackmage: 465 DPS.

Paladin: 412 DPS.

Machinist: 342 DPS.

Scholar: 274 DPS.


So you guys think all is fine and threads like this are mimimi?

and your whm numbers ?

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

and your whm numbers ?

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Was with AST twink and had all hands to do with healing against the stacking debuffs. After the first wipe because of ignoring mechanics, I've stopped DPSing completely to keep enough MP for that horror run, where the dudes not only didn't know how to play their class. They also handled the fight in the most worse way.

There are no numbers. What a big surprise for people that don't think about it before writing.

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

and your whm numbers ?

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Why in the heck does the WHM's numbers matter, at all? Forgive me, b ut was this an attempt to call them out for not doing DPS?

the WHM shouldnt' have to make up the difference of these weak dps. The only way I'd EVER be that low as those DPS is if I died at the start and stayed dead most of the fight.

My DRG can pull 1.2k easily with jumps in that fight. So even if we assume these people could (ideally) be pulling 1k, how is the WHM supposed to make up for almost 2k difference in DPS?

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

and your whm numbers ?

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I'm less concerned about the healer's dps when theres three other dps roles who aren't performing even the bare minimum (which is going behind auto attacks and alt atbbing), especially if I can do 450ish by just spamming heavy shot. In Wanderer's minuet. Without a party buff.

In fact, I asked because I cant see how you beat Faust at all.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Why in the heck does the WHM's numbers matter, at all? Forgive me, b ut was this an attempt to call them out for not doing DPS?

the WHM shouldnt' have to make up the difference of these weak dps. The only way I'd EVER be that low as those DPS is if I died at the start and stayed dead most of the fight.

My DRG can pull 1.2k easily with jumps in that fight. So even if we assume these people could (ideally) be pulling 1k, how is the WHM supposed to make up for almost 2k difference in DPS?

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I mean it's a bit about calling out other peoples numbers when your numbers suck. It's really easy to DPS in Alex 1 Normal for both healers.

That said, with the DPS numbers shown, it would not be surprising if people were taking a lot of unnecessary damage and the healer not only was focused on heals, but attempting to conserve MP.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I mean it's a bit about calling out other peoples numbers when your numbers suck. It's really easy to DPS in Alex 1 Normal for both healers.

That said, with the DPS numbers shown, it would not be surprising if people were taking a lot of unnecessary damage and the healer not only was focused on heals, but attempting to conserve MP.

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There's a reason for a healer not to DPS in a raid, regardless of how 'easy' it is:

> People are dying due to mechanics, meaning you need more MP for raise.
> Mechanics that reduce incomming healing, such as the aforementioned bombs hitting down in A1 normal
> Tanks are full-STR, never pop Mitigation, and tank in DPS stance, requiring heavier heals.

Now, just from their post, they stated that

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And every bomb did explode.

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Which means they were probably desperately healing to keep people alive.

Tbh, after running a lot of A1 for my relic, I would say you have a bomb explode on half of the runs right now. That means as tank I had to go back to defiance, and the healers had to stop dpsing. Bad dps making everyones dps worse. In the end it took a lot longer than it should.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

There's a reason for a healer not to DPS in a raid, regardless of how 'easy' it is:

> People are dying due to mechanics, meaning you need more MP for raise.
> Mechanics that reduce incomming healing, such as the aforementioned bombs hitting down in A1 normal
> Tanks are full-STR, never pop Mitigation, and tank in DPS stance, requiring heavier heals.

Now, just from their post, they stated that


Which means they were probably desperately healing to keep people alive.

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Indeed, that is what I said in my 2nd sentence.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Indeed, that is what I said in my 2nd sentence.

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retrospect: I just realised you're not the same guy as the guy who tried to call them out <_<

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

When I see such numbers, I could cry. Was the third try. And every bomb did explode. Hell for healing too.

Latest DF A1 normal run.

Warrior (OT): 943 DPS.

Bard: 470 DPS.
Dragoon: 467 DPS.
Blackmage: 465 DPS.

Paladin: 412 DPS.

Machinist: 342 DPS.

Scholar: 274 DPS.


So you guys think all is fine and threads like this are mimimi?

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sounds like some of the A4 runs I've done, except the jag dolls explode and we never clear then someone eventually leaves

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

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Hey...didn't you know that you're supposed to carry them? They pay their monthly fee after all!