the new trial is too hard

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Human beings are enormously oversized and walk on four legs? That's news to me.

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You only ever have to worry about either the two front or the two back legs. So left, right, left, right, just like how humans walk. The concept is in the fixed alternating pattern. If you cannot understand that, then perhaps you will have a problem dodging it.

For those getting stomped, (And OHKO'd if you've under 5kHP) it's really really simple. Treat the legs like no go zones, and just use a path down the middle. I ran as tank and had no issues keeping hold of most mobs doing this.

If you have to use positional attacks (I.E us Monks) It's not going to fail if you have to stick to just rear attacks when you can't see the positional indicator sometimes. When you can see it, you do not need to be on the edge of the circle, just off centre and out of the pizza-slice part that indicates "rear" attacks. This will not put you in stomp range.
Gotta evade aoes? Get in front of the boss, he won't eat you, at least not until it comes to a cannon, where you can make a safe exit via his legs.

For those on the cannons? If you cannot take about 5.5k damage, let go of the cannon and retreat when the bosses cast bar is at 50%. (Focus target the boss right at the start and this is very easy to do. 10 seconds getting close enough to target him at the start won't get you killed or ruin the attempt). as a monk I have 6.1K HP, so with Fists of Earth and my healers blessing, I activated my cannon from the furthest I could and used it right until it blew up, netting me another 3 hits (6k damage, which considering the dragoon on the other cannon did the same, is a total of 12k) (And dropped me to ~1200HP.). Internal Release + Second Wind got my health up (If it crit, up signifantly, so much I could take the next cannons death too combined with the over-time natural regen).

Simply put, know what you can take, when you can take it, and make sure the other 7 people are doing what they're supposed to.

This is a poorly composed post, I know. :<

We got though it after a few wipes (at the last 15 mins of the fight too at that) it takes slowly yet surely learning the fight, we had the 2 lowest geared DPS work the cannons, the tanks lure in the monsters, subtank going for the DragonKiller when it came time and everyone else on the dragon. The 2nd highest geared DPS was a black mage so he helped clean up any mobs the cannons missed

This trial was a nightmare to try and clear with the first pf party I was in wiping repeatedly, having to wait for the failed cutscene to retry or leave. Df was even worse. The lowest the boss got was to 48%. I ended up calling it quits till anyone was willing to take the time to learn and follow mechanics. The next pf group communicated well and we beat the trial before the dragon could even reach the end of the bridge. It made the clear worth it for that great communication. You do not see that happen much in XIV. The longer this trial is out, the easier it will be to find good parties. After clearing it, I didn't want it made easier. It IS a pretty big dragon after all.

So after reading the OP's post I actually thought I was in for T9 Duty finder type of hard, which did not overly concern me. Today I did the quest line, used the Duty finder to enter the "Steps of Faith", and we annihilated it second try. I was disappointed because it was way too easy. If it 1 month people were still not passing it this post would have been valid. T9 took me around 100 tries, but that rush of beating it was so worth it. Please SE keep it Hard :)

Not gonna read if it's already been said, but.

This Trial can be dpsed down with minimal (if any) mechanics done at all. The better geared the dps the easier it is.
If your dps is not that geared, go in with 1 tank, 1 healer and 6 dps.

Or if 4dps then let a tank and a healer do the cannons/mechanics while the dps stick to boss.

I think the trial is very well done. It certainly is much different from every other trial we've ever faced (heck, it almost seemed like a level 50 guildhest to me!). But it was really unique and interesting and it requires a LOT of teamwork.

It took my first clear 4 tries to get it down. We had 7 new people. It was kind of crazy at first, but once everyone understood what needed to be done and who went where, it was very easy to defeat. We did have him at 2% our third pull, so even when we understood it we still had some tightening up to do.

His feet are definitely the biggest issue. As a tank, getting stepped on was pretty meh. Since tanks normally get stepped on while getting adds, as a PLD, I always had a buff up so it just tickled. But I tried running it a 2nd time for funsies as a Monk (so I could try out the cannons) and I made the mistake of popping Blood for Blood and trying to scurry under his feet to get Dragon Kick off. It's definitely a 1-shot for anyone who isn't a tank. Tomorrow I will try healing and play with the Dragon Killer! :D I'm excited.

Also, did anyone notice the colors are REALLY vibrant in that trial? At first I thought it was my monitor pooping itself, but it disappeared after the trial and was very apparent while I was on my Monk (my monk is wearing bright, bright blue). I was alarmed by the sudden upping on contrast, but it looked really nice. I wonder if Heavensward is also going to see a similar lighting change? I think the color change was also present in a few parts of the 2.55 cutscenes (I definitely noticed it in the cutscene after the credits, along with a lot of cloth texture). I just don't really understand why this dramatic lighting change was added specifically to this trial.

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Also, did anyone notice the colors are REALLY vibrant in that trial? At first I thought it was my monitor pooping itself, but it disappeared after the trial and was very apparent while I was on my Monk (my monk is wearing bright, bright blue). I was alarmed by the sudden upping on contrast, but it looked really nice. I wonder if Heavensward is also going to see a similar lighting change? I think the color change was also present in a few parts of the 2.55 cutscenes (I definitely noticed it in the cutscene after the credits, along with a lot of cloth texture). I just don't really understand why this dramatic lighting change was added specifically to this trial.

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Didn't notice any difference here.

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Originally Posted by Thunderson

So after reading the OP's post I actually thought I was in for T9 Duty finder type of hard, which did not overly concern me. Today I did the quest line, used the Duty finder to enter the "Steps of Faith", and we annihilated it second try. I was disappointed because it was way too easy. If it 1 month people were still not passing it this post would have been valid. T9 took me around 100 tries, but that rush of beating it was so worth it. Please SE keep it Hard :)

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Beating T9 is one of the best feelings I've had in any game to date. :D I agree that there needs to be more funky content like this and spending a few hours in DF/PF to beat brand new content shouldn't be considered a problem by anyone, casual or otherwise. FFXIV hands people enough on silver platters these days, working with your party members to beat a trial should be considered minimum required effort.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

It's still team jumprope, the only difference is that in this one everyone jumps at different times rather than the same time, but if even one person fails to jump at the right time the result is still the same.

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No it's not team jump rope. It's called basic coordination and communication. We completed this in trial roulette with 5 new guys, with both tanks and the Dragoon being experienced with the fight. Me and the DRG handled the cannons, the other tank grabbed the adds by himself. The other 3 DPS kept derping and they managed to miss the 2nd Dragonslayer shot even with snares up. However, we still managed to 1 shot it because A. tanks pulled mobs under/in front of the dragon, B. marked the mobs that needed to be burned down fast and C. told everyone to stay away from the boss feet and respawn + use shortcut whenever they die.

It's team jump rope when you are doing T9 and someone places the lightning in your group. This trial however is incredibly forgiving regarding failed mechanics and deaths. As long as you don't let the MT die and understand some basic english, it's really doable after 1-2 attempts.

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Originally Posted by Selli

Also, did anyone notice the colors are REALLY vibrant in that trial? At first I thought it was my monitor pooping itself, but it disappeared after the trial and was very apparent while I was on my Monk (my monk is wearing bright, bright blue). I was alarmed by the sudden upping on contrast, but it looked really nice. I wonder if Heavensward is also going to see a similar lighting change? I think the color change was also present in a few parts of the 2.55 cutscenes (I definitely noticed it in the cutscene after the credits, along with a lot of cloth texture). I just don't really understand why this dramatic lighting change was added specifically to this trial.

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Yeah I noticed it. I also liked the change, so I took the oppertunity before & after the trial to take some screenshots. :)

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Originally Posted by LystAP

Stuff like this is why Blizzard largely gave up on vehicle fights in WoW. People are really centered on their characters, and thinking outside of the bounds that they are used to, is a fight in of itself.

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Yeah, and this is really sad to me. It's the lack of player ability to think outside their own character (even worse, their own DPS) that prevents decent innovation in MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Thunderson

So after reading the OP's post I actually thought I was in for T9 Duty finder type of hard, which did not overly concern me. Today I did the quest line, used the Duty finder to enter the "Steps of Faith", and we annihilated it second try. I was disappointed because it was way too easy. If it 1 month people were still not passing it this post would have been valid. T9 took me around 100 tries, but that rush of beating it was so worth it. Please SE keep it Hard :)

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Oh man, we got a real bad-ass in here! This story quest wasn't as hard as T9, so he's disappointed!

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Didn't notice any difference here.

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After the maint is done I'll get some screenies of my Monk in and out of the trial. It's super noticeable with some colors than others. I barely noticed it on my t9 tank coat because I already precieve it as red and the trial just made it redder.

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

Yeah I noticed it. I also liked the change, so I took the oppertunity before & after the trial to take some screenshots. :)

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Oh, thank goodness I'm not the only one who noticed it, lol. My static is all men so when I asked them about it they were like, "Gurl r u high?" I wonder if the whole game is gonna get a lighting overhaul in Heavensward then or if its hinted that the lighting and rendering of colors is going to look different in the Heavensward areas. It certainly make the ARR areas look more... gloomy and almost uninviting. Then again, I suppose that fits the ending of 2.55.

The story mode should be getting progressively harder. While the Chrysalis and the new trial are steps in the right direction, I think the difficulty may have suddenly risen by a clear margin. But, if this trial becomes a roadblock for some players, it will eventually get nerfed, if by nothing else, the gear increases will do the job.

I did my run of it for the first time yesterday. It took us 3 tries to down it, with our second attempt almost killing it as well. We had mostly a new party, but we managed to beat it because we organized stuff, and frankly taking any sort of initiative is usually the weakest link the df parties.

Progressively harder content should be the way to go. Even if people are casual, they shouldn't expect to A.) Faceroll everything B.) Get carried through everything.

Took me and a few friends some 6-7 tries (2 abandons) in DF before we cleared. All three of us were blind-running, took on different stratgies each time, and tried to adjust.

IMO, yes, it's hard. And I actually enjoy hard every once in awhile. This was intense, and definitely a really fun fight. My only lament is the amount of time this trial eats up with each fail, especially after it becomes evident that Vishap the Mishap isn't going down in time.

But as others have said, coordination is key.

i dont think that the new trial is to hard.
I did it yesterday with my first DF group and it took us 3 tries to beat the dragon.
First try: we just did the normal spank and tank and we failed
2nd try: we organized our group, canon, tank adds, dps, chains and so on, and we failed cuz we missed the 3rd chain^^
3rd try: we forgot our lb3 and still managed to win =)

All u need is to communicate with everyone in the group

To tell the truth, this fight is not really hard. The problem: people is so self centered and lot of lack innovation. It is not only this fight. I will give you example: KOTL. You know in third area the fire from airship can hurt the mob ? Sadly DPS (range) and healer still away from the mob pack.

Now this fight, you need to use anything to down the dragon. Even it is plank, nuclear missile, or boulder (well just exaggerating non of this are in this fight), anything which is help. Who should do mechanic like this ? In small team or medium team, the one should do mechanic like this is DPS (except tank and healer say otherwise).

The main focus in this fight is actually:
1. Kill the adds ASAP. (how ? Using cannon. If you had cleared SV HM, the cannon is the same, 1 - 2 shoot, all adds dead, except boss adds).
2. Beat the boss to pulp. (how ? Beat manually + using dragon killer. If you done it right, one of the tank can active dragon killer).

Actually, I tried like 8 times before down this. All my first 5 times, people do not want to do what he had assigned. Abandoning their cannon job (maybe they target the boss and did not see any damage), refuse to cooperate, etc. Meanwhile the last 3 tries is a bit solid pug team. The first try is a mess due to the OT does not listen to strategy and tank away the mob from cannon range. Second try a bit better, but dunno why healer suddenly stomped by the boss again and again (as before not lol). The third try is the cleanest, without LB3 and without the third gate destroyed.

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

Even if people are casual, they shouldn't expect to A.) Faceroll everything B.) Get carried through everything.

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This is true. This isn't like Titan HM where 5 people can fall off the cliff and the 3 people who are i130 can carry the rest to victory. Everyone needs to contribute in some way, even if that means you're not really hitting the boss and instead on a cannon most of the time. This really helps bridge the gap between the ilevel requirement of the run and the ilevel that those doing end-game raids are (unless you're a lower geared tank trying to pick those adds off an i130 WHM who just Medica II'd because I don't think that'd work too well, lol). My monk is barely over i100 and I felt I contributed solidly with my cannon DPS when normally I take her into ST and I feel like I did eff all because I'm 30 ilevels below my main.

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To tell the truth, this fight is not really hard. The problem: people is so self centered and lot of lack innovation. It is not only this fight. I will give you example: KOTL. You know in third area the fire from airship can hurt the mob ? Sadly DPS (range) and healer still away from the mob pack.

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To be fair, the game is inconsistent with such things.

The bombs in the first area in Brayflox HM? I'm pretty sure they only hurt us and not the enemies, despite working the *exact* same way otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Selli

Oh, thank goodness I'm not the only one who noticed it, lol. My static is all men so when I asked them about it they were like, "Gurl r u high?" I wonder if the whole game is gonna get a lighting overhaul in Heavensward then or if its hinted that the lighting and rendering of colors is going to look different in the Heavensward areas. It certainly make the ARR areas look more... gloomy and almost uninviting. Then again, I suppose that fits the ending of 2.55.

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Noticed the same thing too. Especially when the duty failed and the scene zoomed in to your character bending down and catching his/her breath, it was super obvious that the colours were much stronger and vibrant.

No, it isn't too hard. Work TOGETHER, do not rush in and expect a win. Use the cannons, get the adds under Vishap so that the cannons can hit both adds and Vishap, use the Dragonkiller cannons on both the adds and on Vishap.
Never allow the adds to be behind Vishap, they should be under Vishap. Try to get aggro on the Biasts who rush the cannoneers so that the cannoneers don't have to waste time shooting them down.

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Dragons just laughing it up...

yeah the fact that you can't skip that Duty Failed can grate on the nerves sometimes, but gave me the resolve to beat it down hard.

I dont think its all that hard, everyone just needs to know what to do and when. I love the fight, its different and exciting and I hope they have more like this in the future.

I noticed things seemed more vibrant too. Did I intentionally do this to tease how good Heavensward will look? I want if to be that way all the time...

Also: I've been through three DF groups. Each of which were minimum 50% new players. All successes.

I'm happy to help anyone struggling on Balmung.

Just going to leave this here, which I'm sure it's mentioned >_> but whoever ends up using the DK, please, please, pay attention -.- I can't tell you how many times they've waited too long and snares wore or they do it too early.

Side note, I hope they don't nerf this. It's going to sound elitist, but requiring this and making people actually pay attention and do things, before they can do the expansion is a good thing. Maybe it'd keep out the lazy/bad/mindless button pressing/looking for a carry group of people that seem to flood the population, or at least they might learn, then again, these same people can't follow simple instructions and half of them literally have one job.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I still find these sorts of comments baffling, because the party is always getting their asses kicked whenever I try this.

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You can usually blame the people on the cannons for this, failing to hit the stacked adds (and dragon) effectively. Alternatively you can blame tank & healer for this if the mobs aren't stacked under the dragon, running loose all over the map. Healer runs loose adds to the tank, common sense stuff here.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

Just going to leave this here, which I'm sure it's mentioned >_> but whoever ends up using the DK, please, please, pay attention -.- I can't tell you how many times they've waited too long and snares wore or they do it too early.

Side note, I hope they don't nerf this. It's going to sound elitist, but requiring this and making people actually pay attention and do things, before they can do the expansion is a good thing. Maybe it'd keep out the lazy/bad/mindless button pressing/looking for a carry group of people that seem to flood the population, or at least they might learn, then again, these same people can't follow simple instructions and half of them literally have one job.

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I hope they dont nerf it either.

I actually thought it was quite easy considering its the final trial especially when you think back to Titan when 2.0 launched ^_^

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Originally Posted by Celenia

To tell the truth, this fight is not really hard. The problem: people is so self centered and lot of lack innovation. It is not only this fight. I will give you example: KOTL. You know in third area the fire from airship can hurt the mob ? Sadly DPS (range) and healer still away from the mob pack.

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I don't really agree with your assessment or your example. This fight doesn't require any innovation. It's pretty obvious what SE wants you to do, and it's not even the first time they've given you cannons to use. People fail this fight because they are bad or are stuck with bads. No one wants to control cannons. No one wants to put the adds near the boss. No one wants to dps the boss, they want to dps the adds themselves because like I said no one wants to use the cannons. Melee don't want to use AoE skills. So you end up with a bunch of melee single targeting adds that are off in all directions instead of doing what you're supposed to be doing and using cannon shots to down adds + boss while dpsing the boss as much as possible. When I got my win, I kid you not Vishap didn't even make it to the last snare, much less the gate. This trial is... pretty easy.

And who cares if airship fire hurts the mobs in Keeper of the Lake? The increased risk of eating AoE from the mobs isn't really worth what equates to another cast of Fire II. This dungeon is so ridiculously easy that a single extra shot on a pack of mobs isn't going to significantly speed up your run. I do indeed know about this mechanic, and really don't care about it.

It's a really easy fight as long as everyone (and I mean everyone) knows their role and executes them well. Entered a DF party to learn about the mechanics. I learn by doing, I can't just watch a video and get it. Afterwards, joined a PF group on my server, we all figured out who does what, where and when. Took about 3 tries to defeat him. First time the second bard wasn't doing cannons so I was the only one on them and on snares. Second try we got him down to 10% before we failed. Third try we got him to 3% as he destroyed the last cannons and burned him down.

I do enjoy the failed duty cut scene, nice added touch.

I went into the duty blind last night for my first attempt. I usually read over a quick strategy or watch a youtube video of the fight before I go into new duty's but I didnt want to risk spoiling any story so I just went in blind.... We killed it on our 2nd attempt... 2 or 3 others were first timers as well. I felt it was very easy and straight forward.....Im not sure how this would cause so many problems. You just keep all the adds on top of the boss and just blast everything with cannons and gg.

After playing different roles in this fight, I can honestly say what I've been saying(and complaining about) from the start, the fight itself isn't hard, it's the PUGs and people who seem to be sleeping on their job.
After getting better understanding of all roles I see the misakes people make and more and more I am 100% confident that it's not on me as a tank or as a canon guy or whatever.

Yes the green goop is useful, as we discussed earlier, but when I tell people not to spam it they don't listen, they spam it more than the 1st dps or the 2nd stun for the turtle thing, they cover the entire path with the thing as if we're playing splatoon for Christ's sake, then we have people who forget their towers and snares, but the worst are the DPS who don't listen and keep trying to mow down every god damn mob despite being told time and again that the boss is a dps race and that they should do their best to focus on its belly and leave the mobs for canons.

The biggest problem however is the fight being on its own time
there's no way to reset it or retry until it's done and you know you're going to lose but you have to keep doing it, this is where my anger came from last night and this is where the whole who's going to give me my 5 hours back comment you guys hated came from.

I don't mind losing
I don't mind repeating content
I mind wasting time.

Now you'll probably say something about my Zeta or Bear, sure I got those, but I did all that on my own time, it was my choice and I enjoyed every second of it.
The problem with this fight is that it's too long and without a way to reset the thing when you know it's not going well making it a huge time waster.

So, do I love this game? Hell yes
Do I think this fight is a-ok for an entry fight to the new expansion? HELL NO, especially considering many inexperienced people will always be flocking to it trying to get to the expansion and having issues in the process, big time.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Nope. Done it several times, often times with newbs, never with PF, it was still a relatively trouble-less win every single time. It is simply an easier and simpler fight, with far less STUFF going on that makes it easier to actually figure out what's happening and what to do.

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I guess you didnt do the fight as healer then.
Far less stuff? There is far more.

Things to learn how to/take care of:
-double/tripple healer: precast heals
-double/tripple tank 1: use defensives on the tripple atleast
-double/tripple tank 2: dont switch who is tanking the boss midfight, you will die from the double/tripple as healers will be precasting their heals on the wrong person.
[-Orbs: alternating them to reduce damage done.
-Orbs:(minor) avoiding the heavy debuff by not taking 2 orbs of the same kind in a row.
-Orbs:] dont let them hit the boss to reduce the damage he does with his aoe.
-Adds (minor): They do a large conal aoe. Avoid getting hit by heavy or you likely will get hit by this. Kill asap.
-Teleport: avoid the aoe, and be wary as he will likely do a double/tripple after.

-Black Hole 1: run away to let the debuff fall off before you are dragged inside.
-Black Hole 2: use personal buffs as they will be extended 10-fold, before you are dragged inside.
-Comet 1: soak them or get raidwide damage.
-Comet 2: soak a comet if you have the debuff on you and you will die (if not a tank)
-Rift: kill it before the center comet hits or you die. DPS note: its small so you have to be fast to spot it.

Those are all things you need to learn in that fight. Most of them will cause a wipe if handled incorrectly.(or ignored)

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Not very many, and most of them are way more intuitive.

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Intuitive? Ah, since youve done WoD/ST that had similar mechanics? Do you think new players will have done WoD before doing this when they level up?

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Big meteor wipes the party if we take too long? Wow, that's a lot like almost every single primal fight, maybe DPS should focus the one target in the room down!

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Yeah uh, every single primal fight uses such a mechanic...All of the 2 primal fights we have, right?
Even in those fights however, the object you need to dps is very easy to spot. And in a small room, and there arent comets to take care of meanwhile.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

About the only thing that may have required explanation was the fact that the Extend status increases buff duration if you pop buffs BEFORE you enter the rift, and not after. After explaining this, groups usually have no trouble winning. Tanks can buff/sprint up and eat meteors with no problem, and DPS generally do a lot better on the tear.

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Yeah good luck if you only mention that. Im sure your healers would have a field day if you didnt tell them about the double/tripple beforehand.


With an actual new group it is not a fight that is so easy to beat as you say.


Not saying the fight should be nerfed, but new players will have a far harder time with this fight then the Steps.

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I guess you didnt do the fight as healer then.

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Nope, that's actually exactly what I did the fight as. It just really was not hard, at all.

To be honest, all the people talking about Chrysalis being hard is just as mysterious to me as me talking about Steps being hard probably is to all of you. All I can say is, I never had a hard time with the previous fight even when it was new, whereas my experience with this one is just maddening.

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Intuitive? Ah, since youve done WoD/ST that had similar mechanics?

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Not just that, but there is way less going on than in Steps. For most of Chrysalis you're not even dealing with any adds.

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Yeah good luck if you only mention that. Im sure your healers would have a field day if you didnt tell them about the double/tripple beforehand.

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I was one of those healers, I was never told about it, and I still had no problem. Double Spark isn't enough to kill a topped off tank (and the long windup for Double/Triple Spark makes it easy to have the tank topped off), and by the time Triple Sparks start happening you already know what to expect.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKiba

After playing different roles in this fight, I can honestly say what I've been saying(and complaining about) from the start, the fight itself isn't hard, it's the PUGs and people who seem to be sleeping on their job.
After getting better understanding of all roles I see the misakes people make and more and more I am 100% confident that it's not on me as a tank or as a canon guy or whatever. -Snip-

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I understand your frustrations. The fight is actually very straight forward, but my experience last night shows that for PUGs, nothing truly is. I ended up playing "raid lead" in the groups I was in, but people just don't want to listen sometimes. Kudos to those who at least try. We'd miss snares, dragonslayers, and I even had a healer who would run to the cannon and begin firing when they weren't the one on duty for it causing the DPS who was to stand there and then finally run back to the boss. Then said healer would leave the cannon when they wanted to heal...... You also get all those people who are just silent. "Who would like tower duty? .... Can someone please take towers? .... X take towers. ..."

The true difficulty is finding competent players. Other than that I really enjoy the trial. I'll probably try and set up a PF group when I get home.

I actually liked it. You need someone to give out orders and keep people focused. Its an interesting boss fight. Its less about how much damage can you do to the boss by whacking on it, but rather how good is everyone at organizing themselves?

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Originally Posted by Causality

I beat it using the Duty Finder.

One tank picks up the large adds, Put the other tank on the cannons.

Have the lowest DPS take the other cannon.

Assign a DPS to run up the Towers.

One DPS switches between Boss and Adds

The last DPS stays on the boss.


The Tank with the adds as well as anyone iwth other adds on them runs to the cannons placing the adds so the cannons hit both the boss and the adds.

1st Tower There is no snare so Dragonkiller just gets used.


2nd tower. Cannoneers wait until boss starts using Bridge covering AOE then activate Snares. After Boss is snared (Chains on neck) The Dragonkiller is used.

3rd Tower Same as second tower.

ALL DPS KILL THE BOSS.

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Or use the tank and healer on cannon strat...works great also.

i honestly dont think its too hard at all. This was alot of fun. maybe you just have some bad players with you. i ran this with a pug and once we got the strategy down, it was easy! we ran it 5 times and kicked ass on the 5th! GREAT TRIAL!