WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A BARD IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SING?!

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

My main is heals, I've healed and solo healed 90 percent of endgame, healing is a joke quit making a big deal out of it

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Tell me something, when you ran out of mp (and you have at least once) what happened to you and the pt?

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Originally Posted by Alcobrum

You know though, back on topic, these crap summoners can do more damage if you use FOE, so use it, it's your job.

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It'd be wasted on summoners who can't play their job properly. Lol

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

My main is heals, I've healed and solo healed 90 percent of endgame, healing is a joke quit making a big deal out of it

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I'm sincerely glad your main is heals. I really am. I think 90% of us here have just let out a sigh of relief that your main isn't bard.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

when either of those has a -20% on healing, you can use that argument.

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Cleric Stance.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Yeah but thing is, I'm saying I'm not obligated to play songs, not that I won't, the OP on this thread is trying to say that people shouldn't bard if they don't sing songs but that just isn't true when they're playing a dps role.

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The OP is also addressing people who don't even play Requiem. If you absolutely ignore ALL your songs, then yes, (again, not directly stating this towards you, just a general message) you really should consider another job.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

when either of those has a -20% on healing, you can use that argument.

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Since it doesn't obvious enough, ff they are oom, they are going to do a lot less than -20% healing.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Yeah but thing is, I'm saying I'm not obligated to play songs, not that I won't, the OP on this thread is trying to say that people shouldn't bard if they don't sing songs but that just isn't true when they're playing a dps role.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

It'd be wasted on summoners who can't play their job properly. Lol

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is irony in its purest form.

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Originally Posted by Darki

Tell me something, when you ran out of mp (and you have at least once) what happened to you and the pt?

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Hq X ether and shroud, you always save he x ether with shroud to gain a huge mp boost, it always has brought me to 60% or more from 5%-10%

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Originally Posted by Merylx

I'm sincerely glad your main is heals. I really am. I think 90% of us here have just let out a sigh of relief that your main isn't bard.

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The character I'm using on the forums is an alt, you can look up my main, S'rina Ulexite on the diabolos server,

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

It'd be wasted on summoners who can't play their job properly. Lol

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With logic like that Disembowel is a waste on you since you clearly don't play your job properly.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Fault? What fault? You're being the condescending ones to think a bard doesn't know what foe does. That is common knowledge at this point. Also, my entire argument was based on "dealing good dps" so why the urge to bring up foe? Obviously, foe is excluded because it doesn't lower my damage. Trying a bit too hard to be antagonistic there.

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Calling for clarity is not being an antagonist. Cyrus was the one who was talking about foes, I'm talking about the fact that he wanted you to clarify what you meant and you got snippity with him as if we're supposed to just KNOW what you mean.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Correct me if I'm wrong, but right now there isn't any support roles yet in duty finder? Right? Until they fix that for bard it'll always be a dps, and I pride myself as being a good damage dealing bard due to my dps, of course I play songs but when it's needed, not when it's magically expected, I'll play foes whenever I can but when you expect a ballad make a macro and ask for it, focusing on dps is a job and it's not soemthing I expect people to understand who don't try to maximize their roles to its absolute potential, as in dps, sorry to sound smart ass

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A label doesn't make something so. I could label a Warrior a healer but does it make it a healer? Sing the songs when they are needed. Or perhaps I should throw up cleric stance, ignore healing and "Pride" myself on being a better DPS then whoever. We do what can to help our pt. that is everyone's job. Screw labels.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

With logic like that Disembowel is a waste on you since you clearly don't play your job properly.

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Disembowel directly benefits the person actually using it.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Hq X ether and shroud, you always save he x ether with shroud to gain a huge mp boost, it always has brought me to 60% or more from 5%-10%

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X ether and shroud and atherflow and energy drain still count as mp. I'm asking when you ran out.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

With logic like that Disembowel is a waste on you since you clearly don't play your job properly.

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What makes you even say that when I'm over 20% of dps in endgame raids, sometimes I wonder if people in the forums see the bigger picture, all content has been designed with no bards in the setup in mind. If you so desperately need a song that you call bards who don't sing bad, then just You're just a bad player period

I don't need disembowel to show up dps who don't know how to play their job

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Keep track of your enmity, keep track of your surroundings, keep track of the boss attack order, keep track of what % the boss is at to know when a phase is about to change, keep track of your dots to make sure they don't fall off, keep track of your cds to make sure you're never wasting them

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Sounds like the same stuff a healer has to do and you know, keep everyone alive

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Originally Posted by Darki

X ether and shroud and atherflow and energy drain still count as mp. I'm asking when you ran out.

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I never have ran Into a situation when I didn't have shroud with x ether up when low on mp, as a healer I managed my mp and healed as efficient and as conservative as possible while letting sch be able to dps

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

What makes you even say that when I'm over 20% of dps in endgame raids, sometimes I wonder if people in the forums see the bigger picture, all content has been designed with no bards in the setup in mind. If you so desperately need a song that you call bards who don't sing bad, then just You're just a bad player period

I don't need disembowel to show up dps who don't know how to play their job

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Take the hint.

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Originally Posted by Darki

A label doesn't make something so. I could label a Warrior a healer but does it make it a healer? Sing the songs when they are needed. Or perhaps I should throw up cleric stance, ignore healing and "Pride" myself on being a better DPS then whoever. We do what can to help our pt. that is everyone's job. Screw labels.

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What, your logic is different and completely different than mine, I'm basing this off the label sqaure enix gave each job accordingly. Healers heal (green icon) dps do damage (red icon) and tanks keep aggro/mitigate (blue icon) bard is a dps (red icon) so they can focus on dps if they want

Lack of the proper learning curve would create a bunch of players who have no idea on how to play their own job. You can check out blizzard's lol instant lvl 90 cash grab and it's social impact and bad influence on the players. Is it just bard?

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

I never have ran Into a situation when I didn't have shroud with x ether up when low on mp, as a healer I managed my mp and healed as efficient and as conservative as possible while letting sch be able to dps

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Oh now I know your lieing. I'm sorry but nobody is 100% perfect (yes that is exactly what you are implying.) You keep implying with everyone of your posts that it's always someone else's fault. That you can do no wrong. The point of this thread is for bards to sing when they are needed to sing. Not blame someone else for their own inaction. Take the hint.

EDITING THIS TO INFORM YOU ALL

Daily post limit reached which Is lame, wanted to say so much, but until another controversial topic comes up, I doubt you all will see me. :P bring more to the table, I play songs and my raid all does over 400 dps on t8. Monk and drg over 450. T9 is when im 20 percent dps but that's because bard is most suited in that fight. Anyway I don't think any song is needed in 4 mans or 24 mans except foes, none of the fights are long enough to strain tp and if you die or others die and your mp ooms you need to have back up to get out those situations, I'm not perfect, but reality check, I know what bard is, and it's a dps so I'm going to focus on it more than your badly managed mp pool

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Keeping everyone alive isn't hard lol. It's a jokeeeeeee

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It's more intensive that what bard has to do most of the time

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

What, your logic is different and completely different than mine, I'm basing this off the label sqaure enix gave each job accordingly. Healers heal (green icon) dps do damage (red icon) and tanks keep aggro/mitigate (blue icon) bard is a dps (red icon) so they can focus on dps if they want

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But if you have the skills that can help your group if the situation arises, then you should use them! Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? Do DPS players forget about their self-healing skills and SMNs refuse to SC Ress because they're not "green icon" so they can just focus on DPS if they want? That's the whole concept of utility, and BRDs just happen to have the most of it. Lack of flexibility will make you a poor group player, no matter how good you claim your DPS to be.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

What, your logic is different and completely different than mine, I'm basing this off the label sqaure enix gave each job accordingly. Healers heal (green icon) dps do damage (red icon) and tanks keep aggro/mitigate (blue icon) bard is a dps (red icon) so they can focus on dps if they want

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Right, you are saying that because a bard is labeled a DPS that that is what they should *only* be doing. That is not true. Everyone should do what they can to support the pt. I have even seen monks tank with fists of earth and skullsunderer. My logic: labels mean NOTHING.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Lol, links, GIFS, when all you people who have never played a bard in endgame run out of stuff to say, I can always count on some unrelated thing to come my way as a last resort



What, if I was saying I was perfect I would say I never run out of mp, but in fact I have admitted I have ran into this situation and had precautions to get out of it because I'm a decent healer, x ethers and shroud are skills I use to get out of bad situations, and since I use them I didn't run into a situation where I needed ballad

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You implied that you were perfect from the start. Do you honestly think your the first person figure out how to say something without actually saying it? Stop fooling yourself. Stop looking for reasons not to use song. Sooner or later, they will be needed and it will be your job to sing the songs that are needed. Period.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

What makes you even say that when I'm over 20% of dps in endgame raids, sometimes I wonder if people in the forums see the bigger picture, all content has been designed with no bards in the setup in mind. If you so desperately need a song that you call bards who don't sing bad, then just You're just a bad player period

I don't need disembowel to show up dps who don't know how to play their job

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If your MNKs, DRGs, SMNs and BLMs are doing less DPS than you, then I'm sorry but your group is terrible.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

EDITING THIS TO INFORM YOU ALL

Daily post limit reached which Is lame, wanted to say so much, but until another controversial topic comes up, I doubt you all will see me. :P bring more to the table, I play songs and my raid all does over 400 dps on t8. Monk and drg over 450. T9 is when im 20 percent dps but that's because bard is most suited in that fight. Anyway I don't think any song is needed in 4 mans or 24 mans except foes, none of the fights are long enough to strain tp and if you die or others die and your mp ooms you need to have back up to get out those situations, I'm not perfect, but reality check, I know what bard is, and it's a dps so I'm going to focus on it more than your badly managed mp pool

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Stop trolling.... please. We all know Bard is a DPS. It's listed on the box.

The point that you're not getting or perhaps refusing to get is that Bards are DPS, but they're the weakest dps out of ALL other dps classes (assuming gears of equal tier). The trade off for being the weakest is the ability to sing songs that benefit the survival and dmg output of the rest of the team PERIOD.

Without songs, I wouldn't even consider bards in most encounters simply because their dmg output is crap without the utility. Think of Bards as insurance, they suck but you pony up the money anyway in case shit happens.

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Originally Posted by skho01

Stop trolling.... please. We all know Bard is a DPS. It's listed on the box.

The point that you're not getting or perhaps refusing to get is that Bards are DPS, but they're the weakest dps out of ALL other dps classes (assuming gears of equal tier). The trade off for being the weakest is the ability to sing songs that benefit the survival and dmg output of the rest of the team PERIOD.

Without songs, I wouldn't even consider bards in most encounters simply because their dmg output is crap without the utility. Think of Bards as insurance, they suck but you pony up the money anyway in case shit happens.

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And people think I'm bad because if what I posted in the earlier pages...a lot of the stuff posted here now doesn't even compare to what I posted....

I don't really enjoy bard's dps style but these threads make me use it in dungeons and trials for the last couple days (I had it at 50 for a while because I was bored).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v67r4UHs4m0

the dancers: bards
the cops: me and other non bards

Problem was trying to make archer become bard in the first place. If it was obv. a DD class with no support abilities as a class itself, then it should have become a Ranger not a Bard. So you force people who choose ARC as a beginning class cause shooting bows is cool, then half way through tell them they are a support class. The fact BRD's LB is a healer LB makes it more ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Problem was trying to make archer become bard in the first place. If it was obv. a DD class with no support abilities as a class itself, then it should have become a Ranger not a Bard. So you force people who choose ARC as a beginning class cause shooting bows is cool, then half way through tell them they are a support class. The fact BRD's LB is a healer LB makes it more ridiculous.

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Marauder kind of starts the same way until 15, at least for gladiator the class quests let you know you ARE a tank and even teach you about flash, but marauder? Every single quest treats you as a dps class until you do the first dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Marauder kind of starts the same way until 15, at least for gladiator the class quests let you know you ARE a tank and even teach you about flash, but marauder? Every single quest treats you as a dps class until you do the first dungeon.

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I wonder if this was another artifact from 1.0, lost when the hard "trinity" was created?

I wonder if bard was truly a pure DPS why don't they have a DPS LB. Some people want to play in ignorance fine. But hopefully not everyone is that bad of a bard. I feel like this thread got trolled really hard. I feel silly for feeding it :/

I have no idea why this thread is continuing for this long. The amount of butthurt here is unfathomably through the roof.

The thread is targeted at a few players that play bard but don't know when to use songs. It doesn't imply that all bards are bad.
There are tons of threads regarding bad experiences with WHMs, PLDs or other healers and tanks. But that doesn't mean all WHMs or PLDs are bad either. In fact, in those threads, people don't get all butthurt like in this thread.
If there is a thread that complains of tanks that don't use flash, you don't see the tanks raging. Because it's just targeted at a few specific players that don't know how to play the class.
If you see a thread complaining about Scholars that don't shield pre-emptively, you don't see all the Scholars raging either.

So, my question to the Bards raging in this thread is, "Why so mad?".

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Originally Posted by Drako

I wonder if bard was truly a pure DPS why don't they have a DPS LB. Some people want to play in ignorance fine. But hopefully not everyone is that bad of a bard. I feel like this thread got trolled really hard. I feel silly for feeding it :/

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Well, that's the question? They queue as DD yet have a Healer LB. It's broken kinda due to such rigidity.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Well, that's the question? They queue as DD yet have a Healer LB. It's broken kinda due to such rigidity.

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Not really. That's basically what you call a support role, no matter how much Bards will hate the term. Yet it's because of their, I'm a DD only, mentality that preventable wipes happen. If they managed their songs better and realize that maybe using the LB3 instead of a healer that it would be much better all around. Yet they are bards that would rather ignore a large portion of their toolkit for the sake of a childish statement.

Bards aren't the only offenders though yet they stand out the most because they have a big toolkit that revolves around supporting their party

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Not really. That's basically what you call a support role, no matter how much Bards will hate the term. Yet it's because of their, I'm a DD only, mentality that preventable wipes happen. If they managed their songs better and realize that maybe using the LB3 instead of a healer that it would be much better all around. Yet they are bards that would rather ignore a large portion of their toolkit for the sake of a childish statement.

Bards aren't the only offenders though yet they stand out the most because they have a big toolkit that revolves around supporting their party

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Sure, but it sounds like the support role was haphazardly plopped on. Heck "support" isn't a valid role in the trinity. I'm not saying bard isn't a support role, I'm just saying the way it was designed seems off, and would cause some players to treat BRD strictly like a DD due to the fact that the game tells you it is besides a few spells it gives you post lvl 30. Then again, the game is suppose to "branch off" post 30, but since it's strictly ARC>BRD, it is strange.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Sure, but it sounds like the support role was haphazardly plopped on. Heck "support" isn't a valid role in the trinity. I'm not saying bard isn't a support role, I'm just saying the way it was designed seems off, and would cause some players to treat BRD strictly like a DD due to the fact that the game tells you it is besides a few spells it gives you post lvl 30. Then again, the game is suppose to "branch off" post 30, but since it's strictly ARC>BRD, it is strange.

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I agree especially since it's a shame that it's currently the only range physical DD until the gunner class is released or they make a secondary job for archer. Yet in the long run it wont be the only job of its kind so it's better to get used to it now so those that decide to play class/job that plays like the current Bard, per se Dancer. Those player don't go around doing the same thing Bards currently do that don't want to use their full kit.

Once upon a time there was a elfish bard.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2..._Artwork_2.jpg

Who wanted to be human.

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/images/disciplines/bard.png

Because they wanted to be with a prince who despised elfish people.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2..._Form_KHII.png

Her father said No to buying a fantasia since she had already bought one before.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...wkxirisjpg.jpg

The elfish girl was upset and ran to the evil witch and made a deal but at the cost of her voice

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_brUUlX3EFZ...600/Ursula.jpg

This is why bards don't sing.


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