DPS who pull mobs

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03-26-2021, 02:26 AM
Kaoru_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by Arrius

The DPS should be held accountable for any pulls they do intentionally ahead of the tank. Why should they get away with running ahead and bring back groups from across multiple rooms when the current mobs aren't done yet?

Did you talk to the tank about it first to suggest that they can pick up speed? Did the healer gave its okay on that as well?
If they did not try anything in that direction and just run off to pick up additional groups, then it's their fault if chaos ensures if that tank doesn't do anything to manage the situation.

You have the tools and options there: Communicate, kick the tank, or leave the dungeon yourself.

... hm, now I have to ask support that intentionally pulling ahead is considered griefing as well and a bannable offense.

Or you could stop acting like a child and just do your job to get out of the dungeon faster. Then you'll never have to see those DPS ever again.
03-26-2021, 02:28 AM
Mavrias

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Originally Posted by Arrius

The DPS should be held accountable for any pulls they do intentionally ahead of the tank. Why should they get away with running ahead and bring back groups from across multiple rooms when the current mobs aren't done yet?

Did you talk to the tank about it first to suggest that they can pick up speed? Did the healer gave its okay on that as well?
If they did not try anything in that direction and just run off to pick up additional groups, then it's their fault if chaos ensures if that tank doesn't do anything to manage the situation.

You have the tools and options there: Communicate, kick the tank, or leave the dungeon yourself.

... hm, now I have to ask support that intentionally pulling ahead is considered griefing as well and a bannable offense.

you realize that the tank "refusing to manage the situation" is that tank maliciously stopping their aoe rotation, right? if a dps or healer brings extra mobs to you , the only way you wont pick them up is if you turn off your tank stance or switch to single target.
03-26-2021, 02:35 AM
ZedxKayn

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Originally Posted by Arrius

The DPS should be held accountable for any pulls they do intentionally ahead of the tank. Why should they get away with running ahead and bring back groups from across multiple rooms when the current mobs aren't done yet?

Did you talk to the tank about it first to suggest that they can pick up speed? Did the healer gave its okay on that as well?
If they did not try anything in that direction and just run off to pick up additional groups, then it's their fault if chaos ensures if that tank doesn't do anything to manage the situation.

You have the tools and options there: Communicate, kick the tank, or leave the dungeon yourself.

... hm, now I have to ask support that intentionally pulling ahead is considered griefing as well and a bannable offense.

The sooner damage starts going out, the faster mobs will die, the faster the dungeon will be.

It's very rare when a DPS pulls so much mob that it turns a reasonable pull into one that is too big. These tanks usually soil their diapers over DPS/healers who just keep walking expecting a baby pull to be a normal one, or DPS/healers who are god forbid, running a couple meter ahead of them and therefore are in range to attack sooner.
And yet it's still the tank's job to grab aggro of the mobs.
Yeah, I'm gonna either try to kick the tank or leave, but not without reporting him as well if that happens to me.
03-26-2021, 02:35 AM
BunniEclair

Ignoring the whole conversation because it’s been done over and over but I really like your energy OP. I like that you’re not super territorial but ask that the dps actually do it properly if they have to be extra speedy. I’ve picked my fair share of dps off the ground who sprinted ahead while my sprint was on CD and face pulled everything trying to be “helpful”. Use arms/shields/self heals and run back to the tank if you really just gotta shave those extra seconds off.
03-26-2021, 02:48 AM
Ftail

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Yeah, I'm gonna either try to kick the tank or leave, but not without reporting him as well if that happens to me.

I agree with you and the people here it's toxic behavior from the tank to let a DPS die because they pulled mobs. At the same time, it's not a reportable offense if the tank keeps his mouth shut while doing it. How would the GM discern a tank letting someone die from spite from tanks letting someone die from incompetency if there are no chat logs to show he was being malicious.
03-26-2021, 02:50 AM
ZedxKayn

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Originally Posted by Ftail

I agree with you and the people here it's toxic behavior from the tank to let a DPS die because they pulled mobs. At the same time, it's not a reportable offense if the tank keeps his mouth shut while doing it. How would the GM discern a tank letting someone die from spite from tanks letting someone die from incompetency if there are no chat logs to show he was being malicious.

If GMs have access to the battle log, they could possibly see the tank stopping his use of AOE, dropping his stance, and such.
03-26-2021, 03:27 AM
Bright-Flower

I don't think a GM would punish a player for stopping the use of aoes etc, they'd probably need to be more blatant about things. Especially if the group has the chance to kick the tank and replace them.
03-26-2021, 05:08 AM
Zanarkand-Ronso

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Originally Posted by Awha

Question would you also let the healer die thus wiping the group if they were the ones that pulled?

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them? Yes.
If they pull the boss even when I typed "brb", or "wait a sec please" Then yes.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Your job is not limited to simply pulling mobs but establishing and maintaining aggro. Allowing the DPS to die out of some petty "revenge" because they ran ahead isn't doing your job. It's the equivalent of a healer refusing to heal because they got angry at someone.

And in such a scenario, you're the one I'm initiating the Vote Kick on because you're causing an actual issue. Some rando DPS or healer pulling ahead didn't impact anything except to bruise your ego slightly. You electing to let said DPS die puts more work on me as the potential healer and/or simply wastes time since now we have a DPS with weakness. You're in the wrong no matter what justification you want to spin.

I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank. Its that simple. What is the point of me being a tank if a dps is gonna do it for me? Its not revenge either, they decide they want to be tank, ill let them be tank; similar to when a 2nd tank sees that Im trying to be Main tank, but then they completely steal aggro off of me and take my job. Call it petty, yes, and Ill 100% admit Im aware Im being petty. I wont hide it.
And Its just as petty to say Im being to slow, and call me a bad tank or a Griefer for not moving at the speed and level that the DPS wants me to.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Do you know refusing to do your job and letting people die for it is reportable since it's griefing?

Someone running ahead isn't preventing you from doing your actual job, that is grabbing aggro, or doesn't mean that they want to tank, it just means that they're faster than you. You're a bad tank and a bad team player with that attitude, no two ways around it.

I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job. Just wait a second or 2 for me to grab the enemies, and then Ill get the other enemies and do the Wall-to-wall Im expected to do. If im not fast enough, then by all means, take over.
If im just gonna be called a bad tank for not being as fast as they want me to be. Cool, Ill just stick to healing

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Your job is to maintain threat, that is quite literally your minimum. If a dps has it, you are not doing your minimum. I don't care if he pulled something else before you did SOMEHOW to even begin with, because intentionally choosing to not keep threat and wasting everyone's time, not just that one dps, is quite literally griefing.

Would you be fine with the healer no longer healing you if you stood in one aoe?

Would you be fine with a dps just auto attacking because you caused him to miss a positional?

Why is it okay for you to not do what you came to do, but not okay for others?

Like I said a few times..I know what my job is as a Tank. If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.
Just wait a second for me to get going. Just because Im max level, doesnt mean I have the same skill ceiling or are as fast as others.
03-26-2021, 05:17 AM
Awha

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them? Yes.
If they pull the boss even when I typed "brb", or "wait a sec please" Then yes.

I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank. Its that simple. What is the point of me being a tank if a dps is gonna do it for me? Its not revenge either, they decide they want to be tank, ill let them be tank; similar to when a 2nd tank sees that Im trying to be Main tank, but then they completely steal aggro off of me and take my job. Call it petty, yes, and Ill 100% admit Im aware Im being petty. I wont hide it.
And Its just as petty to say Im being to slow, and call me a bad tank or a Griefer for not moving at the speed and level that the DPS wants me to.

I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job. Just wait a second or 2 for me to grab the enemies, and then Ill get the other enemies and do the Wall-to-wall Im expected to do. If im not fast enough, then by all means, take over.
If im just gonna be called a bad tank for not being as fast as they want me to be. Cool, Ill just stick to healing

Like I said a few times..I know what my job is as a Tank. If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.
Just wait a second for me to get going. Just because Im max level, doesnt mean I have the same skill ceiling or are as fast as others.

Sorry on mobile, but letting the healer die will result in throwing the two other players under the bus. That point it is a numbers game why punish two others just to prove a point against one. I get for you pulling is not fair towards you but that is a 1:1 normally if a dps does it. If a healer does it you are putting 2 others in the crossfire and wasting their time which is extremely unfair.

Does not seem legit does it?
03-26-2021, 05:42 AM
Miracle_Diva

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them?

I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank.

I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job.

If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.

I'm sorry, but who's not letting you tank? You just need to come to mobs and start pressing AOE rotation and voila - All agro is yours! All you need to do is start actually doing your job instead of playing the *God's game*.
I swear, some people need to get off their high horse and chill sometimes.

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