We are in need of a official response to the healer situation

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You don't have to personally play it to know when something doesn't seem right. Just from observing:

WHM core identity issues and clipping/mobility issues have not been fixed, they forced an instant heal on us instead thinking this will solve everything.
Our lilies now shoots out heals 100% identical to heals we already have. And their ultimate Lily payoff is a DPS loss unless you spam the new heals during downtime. #fixed!!

SCH has been gutted and given excessive healing capabilities to overheal with. I think it tells you something about what they think of healers when instead of making Selene useful for something, they effectively remove her from the game. Titan on SMB would have been easier to remove yet they reworked him. They couldn't do the same for Selene?

Stop giving AST spells and abilities effectively the same as WHM spells and abilities. I thought we were moving away from this crap? What was the point of fixing up Plenary Indulgence, and then giving it to AST too? You couldn't think of ANYTHING else?

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Originally Posted by Feidam

At the end of day if you really want to make your point stop playing healers.

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I don't think that's a good way to express our issues, though. If you don't play healers, how can you give more concise feedback? It's already widely known on this forum that healers are malcontent with the current build, and that there's a LOT of people yelling at the top of their lungs to fix Healers in a proper way other than how this is considered garbage. I can argue over significant tools(buffs/debuffs) that some jobs have over another, but again to bring out the "black sheep" of the Healers(WHM, despite it being called White Mage it was ignored all of Stormblood up until 4.5) they've needed a significant change for a long time, and what they received isn't it because it's more of the same kit they already have except allowing movement options every 30s, plus a 900 potency to make up for the 1200 potency you lose.

SCH I can understand their huge issue with Art of War and...well, going from a complex job to a very simple system. They had to knock SCH down a few notches because it's been dominant for 2 expansions now and Yoshida knows it because of usage rates.

AST most people are hateful for because they're taking away their big card gimmick that people liked. They've always come out on top against WHM since Heavensward(despite the rocky inception), and have eclipsed WHM since then because they constantly buff it each expansion in fear of it being like it was back in Heavensward.

The one thing I think Yoshida is trying to get across is that complexity need not be what makes everything fun when it comes to a job. Since Heavensward, they've had huge gaps between people who play and wants to close it some so that more people can have a chance at Savage as well, considering how people have the tendency to have cold feet when even asking about Savage in the first place(because everyone seems to think it's hard; which it is, and just wants it handed to them on a silver platter).

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Originally Posted by Laphael

Those make no sense:
"Well you don't have all the healers capped."
"Well your iLvl is too low."
"Wait until the 24-man is finished."
"You don't even have you Relic."
"Wait until 5.5."

The others are common sense.

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Ummmmmmmm sorry sweaty but you’re opinion is invalid because there’s a future :)

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Originally Posted by reyre

So not only you dont get the point, but also adress a bigger issue "outdated content" for whom? the new players? the players that want to level up their clases with other than PotD or HoH? Players that do roulette? The simple fact that you consider content not 70-80 "oudated content" is an issue on itself, because the game is not only 70-80 despite what you might belive, so im going to take a stab in the dark here and say that by oudated content you mean content that doesnt get played as much? you mean from 1-70? that seems to be apretty big chunk of "oudated content"

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How did you even get here? Out of what I said what you chose to latch on is the words "outdated content", completely forgetting the context of my statement?

Here's what I said, and what took 3 posts of clarification: "These changes will impact Stormblood (content that is not in the expansion) the same way Stormblood changes impacted Heavensward (content that was not in the expansion back then)". That is all. And in addition to that, what I am saying is that people do not care about content before the expansion. The complete lack of posts complaining that <insert pre-Stormblood content> is boring during Stormblood is evidence of that.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Thread after thread on the forums repeating the same thing does not accomplish anything when we know they will do nothing until the bulk of players try the content.

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This feedback helped me make decisions about what to do when ShB launches. What all the messages telling people to shut up and wait accomplish exactly?

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Originally Posted by AikenDrum

This feedback helped me make decisions about what to do when ShB launches. What all the messages telling people to shut up and wait accomplish exactly?

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So do you live by letting people make decisions for you?

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

That's a poor strawman and you know it.

If healing is pure agony in all casual content you do daily, and only fun in latest Savage/EX/Ultimate that you do a few times a week, it's bad design.

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I suggest you review what a strawman is. Let's try again:

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

The problem seems to be that the class developer team of four people quite obviously only have a vague idea about how healers work in theory, and they made healer changes for ShB based on that.

Most healers are upset by these changes, because they know the changes are awful, based on the fact that they have intimate knowledge on how healing works in practice in all content.

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These developers, who "only have a vague idea about how healers work in theory", are designing the changes in the context of SHB - on which they have full knowledge.

Most healers upset by the changes, who have intimate knowledge on how healing works in practice in all content, except in the context of SHB somehow know that the changes are awful for SHB, the context in which they are designed.


Now to clarify, I don't know what it's going to be like in the new content, because I don't know the new content. It could be perfect, or it could be a shitshow. Nobody knows until we see it.

But if you look at the forum, everyone apparently knows everything. The OP is a perfect example: "Healers are just not fun anymore... Healer gameplay is just boring... Healers are doomed". This person has already made up his mind. He has already played the entirety of SHB in his head.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Most healers upset by the changes, who have intimate knowledge on how healing works in practice in all content, except in the context of SHB somehow know that the changes are awful for SHB, the context in which they are designed.

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We know what they are compared to varied levels of healing requirements. If your changes fail even in the face of ultimate content levels of healing then it's a safe bet ShB won't provide enough healing for it to be worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

How did you even get here? Out of what I said what you chose to latch on is the words "outdated content", completely forgetting the context of my statement?

Here's what I said, and what took 3 posts of clarification: "These changes will impact Stormblood (content that is not in the expansion) the same way Stormblood changes impacted Heavensward (content that was not in the expansion back then)". That is all. And in addition to that, what I am saying is that people do not care about content before the expansion. The complete lack of posts complaining that <insert pre-Stormblood content> is boring during Stormblood is evidence of that.

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Hmmm 3 post and you still dont get it, well either way, it matters not, this post are only a very small fraction of the player base, so using it as evidence of anything is ridiculous. And in addition to that, what am saying is that people do care about content before the exapnsion. The fact that new players still have to do it is evidence of that. But then again it looks like you completely forgot the context of my statement.

Reagrdless you are using post as evidence of anything, so that is enough for me, to know this is going nowhere.