MCH buffs!

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Originally Posted by Elnidfse

I'm pretty sure our damage is definitely higher than Bard now. Less utility sure but definitely not less damage. It's just been made a lot simpler is all. It's not like that's exactly a bad thing. I just wanted a bit more complexity back.

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You are the first to say this from other threads I have seen. Is there numbers for this yet?

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Originally Posted by Velhart

You are the first to say this from other threads I have seen. Is there numbers for this yet?

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Nope, lack of DoT abilities, lack of stat boost abilities, they are still going to be behind brd.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

You are the first to say this from other threads I have seen. Is there numbers for this yet?

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Accurate data is not out yet and I assume it's gonna take some time but I've been hitting dummy whole day and actually just high rolled into 4600 DPS V4S dummy run. Meanwhile my highest Bard result has been 4300 DPS. Same ilvl while MCH is melded DH focused and BRD crit focused.

I'm just happy this rotation at least feels like it's taking a step to a better direction. Hopefully it will be refined by the time 4.1 comes around. MCH is now more at ease and playable for me

The change is alright, but I still find it lacking in terms of support from a ranged class. I would rather have them support the rest of the group way more than just pure DPS. To make the job reliable in places that it's needed. So I can see why BRDs are still the most requested in raids or trials cause of the support utilities.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

The change is alright, but I still find it lacking in terms of support from a ranged class. I would rather have them support the rest of the group way more than just pure DPS. To make the job reliable in places that it's needed. So I can see why BRDs are still the most requested in raids or trials cause of the support utilities.

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While there is some truth to that, a BRD player even pointed out that the disparities in support simply look good on paper. Need to lower incoming damage (on BRD)? Better make sure the right song is playing and Troub it. MCH? Time it right and wrench it. 2% crit up and 3% DH up are quite nice, but neither guaranteed. Hypercharge is straight damage up for the duration. Nature's Minne is quite nice, but you can live without it just like you can live without Mantra or an aoe Bole.

I'm not downplaying BRD (ere the beancounters come thundering in to silence my heresy), but I'm simply noting that while the list looks great, it's not quite as consistent - and this came FROM a BRD. And while MCH could do with more support options (or finally cross over the line into "pure" DPS territory), we're not really at a loss for it, nor should any parties so vehemently bypass them for a BRD. If your party needs the support, by all means, but you're in no way hindered having a MCH.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Nope, lack of DoT abilities, lack of stat boost abilities, they are still going to be behind brd.

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Not having DoTs or stat buffs isn't a co-relation to being under BRD's dps.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

While there is some truth to that, a BRD player even pointed out that the disparities in support simply look good on paper. Need to lower incoming damage (on BRD)? Better make sure the right song is playing and Troub it. MCH? Time it right and wrench it. 2% crit up and 3% DH up are quite nice, but neither guaranteed. Hypercharge is straight damage up for the duration. Nature's Minne is quite nice, but you can live without it just like you can live without Mantra or an aoe Bole.

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Dismantle being on a 60 second cooldown makes it more competitive with troubador. An example, the former can be used on all dark token phases during O3s, or both meteor combos during Exdeath, while BRD can mitigate the entirty of the book phase or both the fire3 and holy combo on Exdeath

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

I'm not downplaying BRD (ere the beancounters come thundering in to silence my heresy), but I'm simply noting that while the list looks great, it's not quite as consistent - and this came FROM a BRD. And while MCH could do with more support options (or finally cross over the line into "pure" DPS territory), we're not really at a loss for it, nor should any parties so vehemently bypass them for a BRD. If your party needs the support, by all means, but you're in no way hindered having a MCH.

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As far as damage is concerned, the two should be a bit more closer in damage output. At least with MCH, their overall mechanic is sound except for cooldown in relation to their heat generation (not used at all unless you've already overheated)

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Not having DoTs or stat buffs isn't a co-relation to being under BRD's dps.

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Can you further elaborate on what you mean? Cause I'm going by what does the job have that can benefit long term fights besides just dps and a nerfed hypercharge(excluding role actions).

Can someone link a guide to the Stormblood MCH opener/rotation? As someone who had fun leveling it back in Stormblood but saw the level 60 opener and said "F**k that noise", I'm genuinely curious as to how it plays now. Can't seem to find any solid information on it though.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Can someone link a guide to the Stormblood MCH opener/rotation? As someone who had fun leveling it back in Stormblood but saw the level 60 opener and said "F**k that noise", I'm genuinely curious as to how it plays now. Can't seem to find any solid information on it though.

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They might change it again cause of the changes so I doubt that they'll stick w/ the current rotation...................I could be wrong though.