Why no further Echo on T9?

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Originally Posted by Craiger

I don't have a problem beating the T9 mechanics (not saying I'm a pro either), but there are 7 other players in a group, and all of them have to know what they're doing.

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I love this quote. I hear it all the time.
Nobody is ever the problem. You can go into an instance 50 times and never clear it, but you're the one good enough to clear it.
If you go into a DF and fail miserably, chances are good, all 8 people think they're the one good enough to clear it. They just need to find the right party.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

Well, T10 is easier than T9 according to the people I've talked to...


What does the Relic have to do with anything? I'm not just after a better weapon, I want to experience Final Coil, and maybe get some gear there. I would want to beat T9 whether I got the 125 Relic or not, which I don't have, cause I recently switched to BLM, which I only had Zenith on...

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Originally Posted by Craiger

Why are you all still assuming I have a problem with DPS ? I never said that... I'm doing fine on that department, but it's hard to find party members that do it too.


I would probably not have as big problems with T10.

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Hang on, you recently switched to BLM, and are using a Zenith weapon, and are complainign that T9 needs more echo because you feel you have the DPS for T10?

I think we've been trolled.

If you can't beat Turn 9 with a 10% boost you're gonna have a bad time in Final Coil.

Next patch the echo is increased to a level where upon entering the boss arena the boss proceeds to pelt the players with so much loot that their inventory starts to fill up until they go away.

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Originally Posted by Whiston

I love this quote. I hear it all the time.
Nobody is ever the problem. You can go into an instance 50 times and never clear it, but you're the one good enough to clear it.
If you go into a DF and fail miserably, chances are good, all 8 people think they're the one good enough to clear it. They just need to find the right party.








Hang on, you recently switched to BLM, and are using a Zenith weapon, and are complainign that T9 needs more echo because you feel you have the DPS for T10?

I think we've been trolled.

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And if they think they have a chance in hell in t10 with an i90 weapon, well there is no hope for them.

I find t10 easy.. but helping people get wins on t9 who aren't already on farm status -is- hard even with -good- players. I do know people who are good enough to beat t9 and stuck and no matter how hard I try to get them help no one wants to because even those on farm status loathe the idea of trying anyone without multiple clears. The -only- people im finding willing enough besides me (and even im getting tired) is people who will charge these people 1 mil each and not everyone I know has that kind of money. These people are skilled good players who are stuck and it's quite unfortunate. Thing is unless more people are willing to give that extra hand they aren't gonna beat it without a static or at least joining a 7/8 static for the week. So I do agree with the OP because it is frustrating to both my friends I know can beat this and to myself because I was the lucky one who managed to have a 7/8 static give me a chance and go about 1 shoting it the first try.

Besides that we all know statics get gaps all the time these days. no one sticks around as much. breaks happen. Do you want that last spot filled by someone who tried and tried and finally won at t9 and started farming weapons to the point it was a cake walk in your pt because some pt gave them a chance and they proved themselves, or do you want the guy who paid some FC 7 mil to get carried picking his nose in your t10+ practice/clears. Id like to see more committed dedicated people I would be able to play with.

Right.. even if they get a t9 clear without a static anyone doing t10+ expects you to already be cleared and winning. so are these players supposed to forever buy wins to clear content until its nerfed horribly or can we give people a chance?

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Originally Posted by Sparktacus

And if they think they have a chance in hell in t10 with an i90 weapon, well there is no hope for them.

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Ok you guys cant really be that dumb can you, its obvious he meant he doesnt have a i125 relic b/c he just switched to BLM that has only Zenith and hasnt had time to do all the relic steps, pretty sure he has the i110 weapon to go into T9 w/ seeing how the ilvl req is 105 >.>

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

The dps required for 3 meteors is around 2000. But it's harder to hit that mark in T9 due to the downtime between jumps, but there was a 10% echo to help with that.

the dps required to beat Turn 10 without hitting the soft enrage is a little over 2000.

You are the one who's wrong.

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Funny then how my group has T10 on farm but we usually have 4 meteors on T9 (admittedly it's most of the time only by a percentage or less). Practical evidence proves that your statement is wrong.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Nailed it.

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Kind of why while people found it negative that this 'elite' group of players took 18 hours to beat Pandemonium Warden in XI (since it wasn't done properly initially), it shows how extremely of a different playerbase gamers are nowadays when it comes to MMOs and why they want their fast food/microwave style MMORPGs. Fail once then bail? I'd hate to see they'd have reacted in a real MMORPG where failing was bound to happen even if you had it down to a science simply because bosses were actually out to kill you, not throw a script at you.

Obligatory "I think I'm better than you" thread

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Originally Posted by Kyri

Right.. even if they get a t9 clear without a static anyone doing t10+ expects you to already be cleared and winning. so are these players supposed to forever buy wins to clear content until its nerfed horribly or can we give people a chance?

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You just cracked the code of FFXIV's endgame raiding scene.

Doesn't matter how good you are. Don't have a static? Buy your way up until one accepts you, or fish pugs for months until you get the 1% droprate on 'eight other players who haven't cleared but know the fight'.