Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

The only thing I've been thinking is:

"...TGC has more than one add phase?"

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This was exactly my thought. Do they mean the Icewolf attack where you have safe spots away from the boss and a little explodey add per group to kill(with the sky arena adds being the first set)? Or do they mean an attack further into the script then that which ive never seen(including when this was current content and victory was not assured until you were PASSED this boss)?

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

The only thing I've been thinking is:

"...TGC has more than one add phase?"

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Originally Posted by Frizze

This was exactly my thought[...]

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Yeah, mb I was referring to icewolves. I have NOT seen those things since Endwalker dropped so it was a pleasant surprise. :eek:

If someone tells you to stop rescuing them, stop rescuing them. I don't like being rescued because of how many times trolls have rescued me in the past so my direct response will just be anger. I will type out after the first rescue to please stop, I'm not comfortable being rescued and please respect that. I do not enjoy it. Some do not enjoy it. Some will be grateful. Some will still be clueless. So please, respect when people say to stop.

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Originally Posted by Noxster

If someone tells you to stop rescuing them, stop rescuing them. I don't like being rescued because of how many times trolls have rescued me in the past so my direct response will just be anger. I will type out after the first rescue to please stop, I'm not comfortable being rescued and please respect that. I do not enjoy it. Some do not enjoy it. Some will be grateful. Some will still be clueless. So please, respect when people say to stop.

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Yeah, well... When people have many people doing clueless move, they don't really notice your pseudo. Maybe don't stay in big orange stuff ?

(Exception : if you're a caster and they rescue you BEFORE they see if you stay in big orange stuff, or if you're just trying to finish your cast before moving in extremis).

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Yeah, well... When people have many people doing clueless move, they don't really notice your pseudo. Maybe don't stay in big orange stuff ?

(Exception : if you're a caster and they rescue you BEFORE they see if you stay in big orange stuff, or if you're just trying to finish your cast before moving in extremis).

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There's could be lot of exceptions. It's not like 4 different classes don't have last minute abilities they can use to move out of the way.

If it's normal content and you've witnessed someone eat every single avoidable hit then it's time to stop caring about their feelings about being rescued though.

Don't get me wrong, I understand how people feel about Rescue. Healers literally get to go god mode and yoink someone once every two minutes but if a healer is using it either they're very trigger happy or you're extremely bad and you've tried their patience.

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Originally Posted by Noxster

If someone tells you to stop rescuing them, stop rescuing them. I don't like being rescued because of how many times trolls have rescued me in the past so my direct response will just be anger. I will type out after the first rescue to please stop, I'm not comfortable being rescued and please respect that. I do not enjoy it. Some do not enjoy it. Some will be grateful. Some will still be clueless. So please, respect when people say to stop.

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healers has no time to read ur name before rescue you, they see some one in void zone - they go brrrrrr

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

There's could be lot of exceptions. It's not like 4 different classes don't have last minute abilities they can use to move out of the way.

If it's normal content and you've witnessed someone eat every single avoidable hit then it's time to stop caring about their feelings about being rescued though.

Don't get me wrong, I understand how people feel about Rescue. Healers literally get to go god mode and yoink someone once every two minutes but if a healer is using it either they're very trigger happy or you're extremely bad and you've tried their patience.

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Nope. I was completely safe. If anything, the rescues are the ones that kills me instead. Hence why I do not like being rescued. If it helps, the one that I got annoyed was E11N where the clones are invisible. There are two safe spots and the healer rescued me, and killed me. That's when I told them not to rescue me but they still rescue me during those red/blue circles, and kills me.

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Originally Posted by Noxster

Nope. I was completely safe. If anything, the rescues are the ones that kills me instead. Hence why I do not like being rescued. If it helps, the one that I got annoyed was E11N where the clones are invisible. There are two safe spots and the healer rescued me, and killed me. That's when I told them not to rescue me but they still rescue me during those red/blue circles, and kills me.

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That's another story then, and has nothing to do with rescue PTSD. Don't get me wrong, I can understand the rescue problem... But most of the time, and despite those forum telling awful stories about rescue, I don't really see many healers using it to troll or kill. And most of the time, it's definitly the other player who played poorly - and finally got rescued all the time because of it.

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Originally Posted by Noxster

Nope. I was completely safe. If anything, the rescues are the ones that kills me instead. Hence why I do not like being rescued. If it helps, the one that I got annoyed was E11N where the clones are invisible. There are two safe spots and the healer rescued me, and killed me. That's when I told them not to rescue me but they still rescue me during those red/blue circles, and kills me.

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Just so you are aware, using rescue to kill another player is reportable. Especially if it's repeated behavior.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

That's another story then, and has nothing to do with rescue PTSD. Don't get me wrong, I can understand the rescue problem... But most of the time, and despite those forum telling awful stories about rescue, I don't really see many healers using it to troll or kill. And most of the time, it's definitly the other player who played poorly - and finally got rescued all the time because of it.

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Problem is, that's pretty much how my experience with rescues are. I kept being rescued for no reason whatsoever and most of them kills me. Most healers do not realize that rescue does not made the rescued immune. So when you are being dragged, you are literally dragged into those aoes. I have been pingpong by healers before as a blm just to troll me lol. Rescue PTSD is definitely real, especially when most of the rescues, with goodwill or not, 90% of the times do kill you.

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Originally Posted by Noxster

Problem is, that's pretty much how my experience with rescues are. I kept being rescued for no reason whatsoever and most of them kills me. Most healers do not realize that rescue does not made the rescued immune. So when you are being dragged, you are literally dragged into those aoes. I have been pingpong by healers before as a blm just to troll me lol. Rescue PTSD is definitely real, especially when most of the rescues, with goodwill or not, 90% of the times do kill you.

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I feel that you have just had bad luck with it but are also exaggerating the issue. It's a very useful and powerful skill, but certainly does have the trolling power potential. I'd honestly be interested in seeing the chat logs of when this ping pong stuff happens. Like how exactly do you respond every time you get rescued? I use the skill regularly and can still count on one hand the amount of times I've caused the person a problem in doing so, but I have seen so many people ignore it completely and just go back to where they were, only to die right away. If you're getting rescued a lot, I would recommend taking a look at your gameplay and ask yourself "What am I doing that makes people want to use this on me so much?"

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Originally Posted by Noxster

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Stories that would make me quit the game if they happened to me +1

So I was thinking about going RDM for a bit, but got distracted by my cat going on a rampage and forgot to change class before queuing for trial roulette. Well, shouldn't be an issue, right?

Emerald Weapon. On the big knockback right before the phase change, five out of eight players get tossed. Leaving me on MCH, a WAR, and a PAL. Whoops.

We carry the party through the fight anyway. Never seen it live long enough to cast a second Image of the Black Wolf before.

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Somebody whispered this to me as soon as I got out of a Euphrosyne run with them. What a nice thing to say! I have no idea what I did to earn that though, lol. I was just a random DPS and did pretty well most of the raid, but certainly not perfect. Anyway, thankyou little lala, for your kind words. I did have a good day, because your message made my day! I hope you have a good day too!

Bruh why do I keep getting SGEs in level 90 roulettes that don't do damage and just spam e. diagnosis? It's happened twice now, completely different people. I don't play anything but WAR in roulettes, so it's not like a danger or anything, but it is annoying that I'm having to heal up the whole team with Nascet with any aoe damage comes out because they're going to slow heal the entire team with e. diagnosis one person at a time while not doing any damage.

Mentor Roulette Qued as Astro
Shiva Extreme (Fantastic. Why I didn't que up as shield healer I'll never understand)
7/8 are new
Halfway into the duty the Scholar gear breaks so everything 1 shots them.
Had to set up macros for spread, stack, don't move, get behind boss.
Run out of time. Painful healing experience but at least they all learned the fight.

Leveling roulette on sam since I'm in need of taking a break from being a healer.

Get Holminster Switch, rest of party is DRK SGE BLM.

SGE is VERY new to SGE, but seems to have some competence at their job.

DRK single pulls the first wall, sees our UlTrA MeGa ChOnK dps is chewing up mobs. Somehow doesn't mitigate much and kind of survives the pulls.

Second wall opens up, DRK guns it.

SGE is panic healing the DRK with Diagnosis, DRK doesn't handle his mitigations very well including Living Dead, or barely at all, we wipe. Back to single pulling.

DRK apologizes, still doesn't seem to handle mits very well, but we clear the first boss.

DRK continues to gun it with the first wall after the first boss. He barely survives it with the SGE dumping everything along with panic healing.

*OmInoUs SoUnDs*

Second wall, SGE gets overwhelmed again with trying to sustain the DRK who doesn't still seem to have much of a good idea on how to rotate their mits.

SGE also panic heals him through Living Dead via Diagnosis spam, causing it to fail to proc. Living Dead expires.

DRK become ded. We wipe. DRK then says he had Living Dead on, SGE pipes up with them still not comfortable with the class.

I politely point out that his LD expired. More than likely he popped it far too soon in the pull.

DRK gets annoyed with me and says he got somehow healed and it failed.

GEE I WONDER WHY.

We somehow get to the second boss and clear, onward to the gated trash!

SGE gets eated due to the DRK not using their AoEs to heroically pull mobs off of them, and they turn to munch on my face, I somehow live before the DRK decides to use AoEs.

PSA: Your AoEs save lives, tanks. Do your job.

SGE respawns and returns just in time to save the DRK, and we continue on to the boss.

We somehow clear, and the DRK makes one last jab at me over my comment about him being healed out of Living Dead and it 'ticking off instead of healing him'. before instantly leaving, preventing any kind of rebuttal.

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I have my doubts he realizes when Living Dead is supposed to be used, but he left the SGE feeling like shit. I server hop over and tell the SGE they're awesome and to have a great day and some encouragement.

SGE become happy SGE.

This was my experience while leveling SGE with a DRK when EW first launched. It was the one tank I disliked healing. The others were fine. But DRK was pucker time.

It got better at 90 but it was fairly stressful leveling up.

It's a bit off topic, but sometimes I miss closed servers. Oh, I know for a fact that I wouldn't have the patience to wait in the queues, or even go hunting for players as was necessary to form a group. With today's MMORPG traffic, automated queues and the interserver are more than necessary. ... But the fact of recognizing someone at random, running into a tank you know is good, making up with another player with whom you had a fight a week ago over trifles... I kind of miss it sometimes.

Yesterday I babysat a very new lalafel tank in a 90s dungeon. I'm not going to lie, it's always a bit surprising to have players who struggle as much as the basics (in this case, using AOEs as tanks) at max level. How did you get here, my brave fellows? The fact remains that, despite this surprise.... He was "cute", the bugger. Full of good intentions and the desire to do well, and above all delighted to receive advice. The two dps were patient, neither of them trying to pull (thank you), while I explained to him how to go about it. He congratulated me several times on my healing, but I didn't have the heart to tell him that in a dungeon, it's quite normal not to struggle too much after a while. But between that and our small talk, it made the run pleasant. They improved markedly towards the end, learning to put his cd def, use AOEs and then prioritize when necessary. I'd love to meet them again, to see if they've managed to grow in confidence.


On the topic's more usual tone (very minor "problems", just my rant) : holy cow stop healing like bullies in raids. I KNOW it's annoying to always spam the same dps button; but when the regen effect has been applied by your cohealer, it's pointless (except in special cases) to spam heal AOEs to put everyone full life. Let the regen effect work when it's applied, and don't spam medica II afterwards. Worst of all, it's not really their fault: the game is designed in such a way that healers are constantly stepping on each other's toes in the majority of content, because only one heal should be needed. But how annoying it is to see all your efforts washed away by a useless overheal.

Likewise, RDMs, I KNOW you're trying to do the right thing; but really, leave the rez to us when the raid doesn't turn into a disaster. You're lowering your dps, and that's not your job. No, you're not helping: I've already cast my swift cast, and now it's ruined. Look around you, see if the healer seems to be struggling (lack of mana, too many people on the ground?), and then you can rez. If it's just the player who's been taking all the mechanics since the start of the instance who's dead, don't worry: we've already got an eye on him, so concentrate on your job. Remember, dps is just as important as tanking and healing, so don't turn your back on it.

Technically a tale from party finder not duty finder but here we go.

A few weeks ago I was farming Zeromus mount (still the only EW trial mount I'm missing). Got in a new party.
First pull. Wipe to one Tank failing the meteors. Np, can happen.
Second pull. The other Tank wipes us. (I don't remember how though).
Instead of getting salty I went with a humorfull response and typed. "If I had a Gil for everytime a tank wiped us...I had 2 Gil. Which isn't much, but it's strange it happened twice."
Everyone, including the tanks, laughed.
One of the tanks responded:"Let's see how rich you become." xD
Me:"I plan to be a Gillionare by end of the day...btw...who of you is going to pay me?"
Again, everyone laughed. By end of the day be had more wipes than kills.
Was it an effective farm? Hell no.
Did we have a fun time? You bet!^^

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Originally Posted by Kreyd

Technically a tale from party finder not duty finder but here we go.

A few weeks ago I was farming Zeromus mount (still the only EW trial mount I'm missing). Got in a new party.
First pull. Wipe to one Tank failing the meteors. Np, can happen.
Second pull. The other Tank wipes us. (I don't remember how though).
Instead of getting salty I went with a humorfull response and typed. "If I had a Gil for everytime a tank wiped us...I had 2 Gil. Which isn't much, but it's strange it happened twice."
Everyone, including the tanks, laughed.
One of the tanks responded:"Let's see how rich you become." xD
Me:"I plan to be a Gillionare by end of the day...btw...who of you is going to pay me?"
Again, everyone laughed. By end of the day be had more wipes than kills.
Was it an effective farm? Hell no.
Did we have a fun time? You bet!^^

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This is the way. Don't yell, laugh at your misadventure.

His broken english made it funny, as if he was shook by a unicorn or something.
https://i.imgur.com/CCio1uE.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/caeuFaH.jpg

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Originally Posted by Lium

This was my experience while leveling SGE with a DRK when EW first launched. It was the one tank I disliked healing. The others were fine. But DRK was pucker time.

It got better at 90 but it was fairly stressful leveling up.

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Because the gap between a good DRK and a mediocre DRK is just massive. No other tank makes you manage a secondary resource that has mitigation in competition with damage, so you have a lot of people choosing to dump their MP into floods post-70 rather than using TBN. You have one healing ability for pulls, and while it's good, its CD is tied to a single target ability with a big number which tempts a lot of smooth brained people. It's the tank with the most buttons and needs to press them while having the least healing so yeah W2W is rough sometimes, especially if either of your two DPS slack off.

It does have the best invuln now though, it's just your healer has to actually let it work. LD is literally on a 2 min shorter CD than hallowed, and has double the time, if healers would just pay attention and let the DRK die when it pops. So it just remains a casual emergency panic button in most roulettes.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

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Positive stories are very much allowed, desired even :)

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

It does have the best invuln now though, it's just your healer has to actually let it work. LD is literally on a 2 min shorter CD than hallowed, and has double the time, if healers would just pay attention and let the DRK die when it pops. So it just remains a casual emergency panic button in most roulettes.

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Unless they press half their mits, have a regen on, full health and the trash is almost dead and THEN they press it. Like bro...

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Positive stories are very much allowed, desired even :)



Unless they press half their mits, have a regen on, full health and the trash is almost dead and THEN they press it. Like bro...

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But... But Kind Sir, we're on the Internet ! No positivity is allowed here !

And since I'm playing a lot those days :

Thanks to Dun Scaith's group for setting up a betting system about how many people would fall off the first boss's platform. It was fun. Those who bet on many players falling won. What I won't tell IG : sometimes I queue in those raids just because I know it can be a disaster. And disasters are FUN.

I ran a couple FC mates through Zeromus last night. I think there were five members running it for the first time. The pace was glacially slow. Watching the thing-that-should-not-be-mentioned, I stayed in the No. 2 spot for damage the whole time, which I was not expecting since I was on a poorly-geared alt. We finally made it to the second phase (requiring a healer LB3), which became something of a soft enrage. I lost count of how many times we saw every mechanic. Every hit of Nostalgia, especially, severely taxed our healers. Somehow we managed to do it in one pull, but it was a bloodbath. Good times!

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Thanks to Dun Scaith's group for setting up a betting system about how many people would fall off the first boss's platform. It was fun. Those who bet on many players falling won. What I won't tell IG : sometimes I queue in those raids just because I know it can be a disaster. And disasters are FUN.

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Strangely enough, I ran an alt through Dun Scaith over the weekend sort of expecting the worst, and the whole run was remarkable in the sense that it went so smoothly. The only annoyance I had was waiting 17 minutes for the queue to pop, only for someone withdraw before I could even click Commence. It took another five minutes to fill the party. I only waited 22 minutes for old content on a Sunday morning, which is nothing to gripe about, but still... take the duty the system gives you.

Just had a DRK that refused to use any cooldowns at the start of a run, then got angry at me for not letting him use LD.

The entire run, he relied HEAVILY on LD and Abyssal Drain.

I had no patience today so I just left the run, I am genuinely done with how insane this community is.

So I'm baffled at the first pld I had in Qitana Ravel just now. Comes in, is a sprout, wearing 450 facet gear. Saw it and thought on my sage alt 'I guess they're just returning to the game or are scraping together gil from roulettes.'

First trash boss they do not use a single mit. Not a single. One. Not even Shelltron. Next set of trash they singled pulled in silence despite my jumping to pull more, still no mits. Single pulls all the way to the first boss, repeatedly fails boss mechanics, eats vulns and then I saw it.

THEY ACTUALLY POPPED A COOLDOWN--oh wait they just popped Shelltron and it wasn't for a tankbuster. My Addersgall sits empty after using charges to buff them and heal the party for raidwides, and was practically riding the charges.

We finally kill the boss (had a few near deaths on the rest of the party) and said pld leaves instantly. Huh?

Granted eventually we got another pld tank that did w2w and mit, but I'm still baffled by the first pld we had. Like what was your point that you wanted to exercise? Why did you suddenly quit? Was it because I didn't keep you at 100% as a sage? Was it because I was ahead of you to signal that you should pull more? Was it because I was using my shields and ogcds as intended and not spamming Diagnosis like the basic healer you expected me to be on you? Or was it because your healer was an femzelen? How many licks does it take to get to the inside of a Tootsie pop?

The world and the rest of us may never know.

People wanted to vote kick me in weeping city today. Apparently SMNs only exist to be res bots.

Had a near wipe on forgall. My MP is just really low from all the resing I've been doing, I've got aggro because all 3 tanks are dead and people are yelling at me to res. Get in line please.

I really just want to be toxic and tell them all, "Maybe if you don't like munching on the dirt you should learn the mechs", but yeah I'd get in trouble for that sadly.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

People wanted to vote kick me in weeping city today. Apparently SMNs only exist to be res bots.

Had a near wipe on forgall. My MP is just really low from all the resing I've been doing, I've got aggro because all 3 tanks are dead and people are yelling at me to res. Get in line please.

I really just want to be toxic and tell them all, "Maybe if you don't like munching on the dirt you should learn the mechs", but yeah I'd get in trouble for that sadly.

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"People screaming at me to raise? Better hit Ruin."

If people are screaming at you to raise because they couldn't do mechanics properly on Forgall, it probably would've been better to wipe and explain the mechanics. If you got votekicked, considering they couldn't do those mechanics, you probably would've dodged a 50 minute bullet.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

"People screaming at me to raise? Better hit Ruin."

If people are screaming at you to raise because they couldn't do mechanics properly on Forgall, it probably would've been better to wipe and explain the mechanics. If you got votekicked, considering they couldn't do those mechanics, you probably would've dodged a 50 minute bullet.

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Wasn't the case at all, not entirely sure why you came into this thread with the slander. I was raising as much as I could. My MP was literally gone from it. I raised both our parties healers + our tank because the first healer I raised was busy raising other party's healers.

I wasn't vote kicked, but someone started it yes. People were fine for the rest of the raid mostly after that.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

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When stuff like this happens I always try to remember, that I have not the slightest knowledge about who is sitting in front the keyboard and in which situation this person is right now. Could be someone who lets his kid or partner play for the first time. Could be a 10y/o, or someone who suffers from a sever Illness and is under heavy medication at the moment, or a bunch of cats in a trench coat, or whatever. As long as someone is not obviously malicious towards me or others I just Shake Off (pun intended) these kinds of situations.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Wasn't the case at all, not entirely sure why you came into this thread with the slander. I was raising as much as I could. My MP was literally gone from it. I raised both our parties healers + our tank because the first healer I raised was busy raising other party's healers.

I wasn't vote kicked, but someone started it yes. People were fine for the rest of the raid mostly after that.

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It was a joke, not sure why you read some of my reply as slander, even though you said people were yelling at you to raise and attempted votekick on you. Though my point still stands that it's quicker to just wipe and explain mechanics, and if you get votekicked in the process because people are stupid/unable to do mechanics from an old raid, then you would've dodged a 50 minute bullet. Spending 50+ minutes in a raid means something is going wrong somewhere.

Ozma can become an utter shitshow, and so can Calofisteri, if people are constantly dying to stupid. Not your fault if you're having to scrape people off the floor for their inability to do mechanics.

Got Dusk Vigil for lvling roul, healer was a sch that used adlo all of twice-after the mobs were dead -.-. The sam who apparently was just looking at my health get down to double digits and not looking at my buffs goes "don't forget rampart" /rage

I have a rather odd story...last week I ended up in the heroes gauntlet and the party didn't quite understand the mechanics for the last boss, mainly staying under the rock piles. Tanks runs over to me and kills us both. No big deal. I joked and said he owes me chicken nuggets....last night I was kind of afk sitting on a bench in ul'dah and someone placed a chicken nuggie in my hand...if that was you tank, thank you it was delicious

Had two people in Praetorium arguing over whether Nero loves or hates Cid. I asked why not both. The fourth person, who until then had said nothing the entire run, piped up that that idea just awoke something in them. We had to delay starting the fight because the first two both had to stop laughing first.

Three stories from today after an otherwise uneventful one or two weeks of roulettes.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Bruh why do I keep getting SGEs in level 90 roulettes that don't do damage and just spam e. diagnosis? It's happened twice now, completely different people. I don't play anything but WAR in roulettes, so it's not like a danger or anything, but it is annoying that I'm having to heal up the whole team with Nascet with any aoe damage comes out because they're going to slow heal the entire team with e. diagnosis one person at a time while not doing any damage.

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First story is something similar to yours. Zoned in as a WAR, I met my Toxikon Mage in Stigma Dreamscape. E.Diagnosis uptime for *everyone* the entire run. How do they DPS? They errr... burn Toxikon II then spam Dosis III until the barrier on me breaks.... both trash pull and boss fight. I stopped using mits altogether to abuse Bloodwhetting and this Toxikon Mage just go panik.jpg with their Diagnosis button. The rest of the party weren't even doing any better the run lasts as long as any bad trust NPC runs.

Anyway... moving on...

Second story is from 5678 roulette: Fractaal Continuum. Listen, if y'all think "STD Ninjas" are bad, I've encountered another specimen that does even lower in this run: "STD & Caster Ninja". How do they DPS? Drop Doton on anything and everything then move out of melee reach and wait. Literally.

Third, zoned in as a SCH into E9N. A lot were happening but let's just say... this run lasts for 10+ minutes. Only 1 first timer who died twice and this first timer was the best performer in the party....

W i l d.

Yesterday i ran a dungeon after not doing any instance for the last 3 months or so. One writes "a level 50 duty with 3 level 90 chars. Classic." What do they want? Waiting in que for 30+ mins for a level 50 duty? Do they want the curebots? Thanks for reminding me why i barely play. Lack of rewards and community. At least i am rethinking if i should actually play this mog event. Wasting hours with passive aggressive randos for stuff that rots in different inventories.

Encountered a PLD yesterday in Copied Factory who opened with "hey can I MT, I've had a bad day and want to hit the bosses". They proceeded to lose aggro repeatedly in every fight and used Provoke off cooldown. I don't think they were doing anything outside of their 1-2-3 combo. No idea what their deal was.

Had a full crown mentor nin get upset at me for using Rescue on him to get him quickly out of an aoe in Thaleia earlier today and was told by him to let him stand in aoes since 'they knew what they were doing'. I'm sorry for using Rescue correctly on you, mentor nin, so I don't have to waste my resources on healing AvOiDaBlE dAmAgE that you decided to take.

Or those vuln stacks you ate.
Or that near death you had.
Or that floor bleed you decided looked delicious.