Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

lag spike+loot window=bad bad bad *grumbles about anti-virus deciding to update right as treasure box is opened* Ended up rolling need on something I didn't need nor want(clicked pass as cursor was on pass at the time)

So do apologize to whomever was in the Gilgamesh+Enkidu trial(forget the name) with me just now

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Originally Posted by Selli

What I say: "Don't ignore the orbs, guys."

What the party hears: "Ignore the orbs, guys."

I was trying really hard to Sacred Soil, Adlo, and Lustrate myself so I could eat two of the orbs. But it wasn't working so well. >.<

[EDIT] And then I did Trial Roulette with teh boyfriend and we got Shiva HM. Aaand wiped 3 times, lol. Twice from lack of healing and once 'cause the tank cleaved 2/3 of the party (specifically all of the ranged). He was on MNK and I was on BLM.

[EDIT2] I had a really good Prae run to make up for it. Everyone was a vet and all we did was joke around and talk about mechanics. Queued with an FC mate and then Rei queued in and got our commendations for being sneaky.

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Ok I think I know the first riddle, was it alex gordias 4 you ate the orbs in?

So a few........ it was a few days o r a week after anti tower was released, I was smn, there was a blm, whm, and warrior( Honestly dont remember but his attitude reminded me of a sterotypical warrior who does). So the whm was new, his healing through the mobs was weird. He tried to dps and heal but wasn't having. So when we got to the first boss all hell broke lose, the tank told the healer to use esuana on him when he got the concussion debuff, healer either didn't see it or thought it was a different one because just looking at it reminds me of A5 with the debuff you get, which esuana couldn't negate. After that the tank started wailing on him with insults. Said the healer was terrible and other things I dont want to repeat.

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Originally Posted by Powe

Ok I think I know the first riddle, was it alex gordias 4 you ate the orbs in?

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Worse It was Ultima. XD

Bit of a weird one last night...

My Fiance and I took one of our (recently returned to game) FC Buddies to Fractal for the first time. Party is a Pugged DRK, Myself and the FC member on DRG and my fiance on WHM. Zone in, everyone gives a friendly 'Hi', friend says they're new, Tank says they're new too and their gear indicates as such. Not the best geared, but not 'Ironworks gear in the Vault' bad geared. Manageable.

We proceed, joke about when my Fiance dies to an AoE towards the end of the first boss (He's a holy-happy-healer who sometimes forgets he's not on Bard and actually needs to heal and not drain all his MP on Stone III ;P) but we grit our teeth and make it through just fine. I make a few drg jokes as the norm and move on.

All is going well until the final section. We load into the large pull area where the mobs are all tethered to the device thingy, and the DRK proceeds to just tank the first cluster. Wanting to Holy Spam as usual, my fiance 'misclicks' a DoT onto a mob in the second cluster and they run in. The Drk moans but we slaughter the pack in seconds so I assume it was no issue... Turns out, that assumption was wrong. I have no idea wtf happened but suddenly this dude starts emoting during the next set of pulls. He's dancing at my fiance and the mobs mid-pull, runs off after establishing aggro to open a chest, Not moving out of AoEs, purposefully walking into the mine during the final boss when us melees are all in range to be hit by it etc. Weird stuff. Now, here's when it gets a little personal and he starts to insult our DPS in Party Chat.

Now, I get it, I'm not the best raid Drg and in DF I'm quite lazy. I'll pop an internal (or blood for blood if Internal is on CD) heavy thrust and Ring if it procs, and then just spam my Doom Spike until I'm out of TP or need to refresh my thrust. I can't be bothered to spend my oGCD jumps beside Dragonfire on trash packs, but when it comes to single target I ham everything I have. Lazy, but I still do enough to make a run go faster than it would with Average-Joe-DF-DPS. But I'm sorry Mr.DPS-is-apparently-low-but-I-can't-even-be-bothered-to-use-Darkside-DRK, My Fiance was parsing and I know for a fact our DPS was not low. Our newish 60 Drg friend was not quite hitting the numbers I was, but they are still a good Drg. I don't mention that we were parsing, we only use one because my fiance and I like to use it to compete with each other and help better ourselves for raid numbers etc. We never use it to bitch to/use against pugs.

If you're reading this, Mr.Drk, don't you dare insult DF peeps DPS when they are pulling numbers so high they can rip aggro off you even with you in Tank Stance, or even are doing over 4x your own DPS. Even heals was doing 2x your DPS. I was going to commend you for being a funny guy and who seemed to manage the dungeon well for your first time. But no. You lost it. As an endurance reward, I got the Owlette minion drop and I'm so f***ing happy you didn't get it with that attitude you displayed.

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Originally Posted by Malin-HunnysMonsta

Now, I get it, I'm not the best raid Drg and in DF I'm quite lazy. I'll pop an internal (or blood for blood if Internal is on CD) heavy thrust and Ring if it procs, and then just spam my Doom Spike until I'm out of TP or need to refresh my thrust. I can't be bothered to spend my oGCD jumps beside Dragonfire on trash packs, but when it comes to single target I ham everything I have.

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To be fair though, what is the pug supposed to base his opinion on? He doesn't know what else you do, or what you are capable of doing, all he sees is what you are doing, which by your own admission is just half-assing the dps. Agreed there is no need for his bitching and poor attitude.

Not sure what you mean, you use B4B if IR is on cooldown either

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

Sniperoo

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I guess. Unless he is parsing then he would only see me pop one buff per trash pull if he was paying attention to the ability buffs in the Party List. But bosses had everything thrown at them. The duty was finished in quite a tidy time too. No longer than 25 minutes, I'm sure. (Had to stop to brief friend on occasion over tactics before the bosses)

It just seemed a little uncalled for and random to bring such a thing up when all we did was pull in an extra 8 teeny, tiny, weak mobs.

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Originally Posted by Malin-HunnysMonsta

I guess. Unless he is parsing then he would only see me pop one buff per trash pull if he was paying attention to the ability buffs in the Party List. But bosses had everything thrown at them. The duty was finished in quite a tidy time too. No longer than 25 minutes, I'm sure. (Had to stop to brief friend on occasion over tactics before the bosses)

It just seemed a little uncalled for and random to bring such a thing up when all we did was pull in an extra 8 teeny, tiny, weak mobs.

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All I will say is this :

Dont do to others what you dont want to be done to you.. and if you do, dont complain.

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Originally Posted by Selli

Worse It was Ultima. XD

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O<O wow " Sends you a gift basket of chocolate and bandages"

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Originally Posted by Malin-HunnysMonsta

I guess. Unless he is parsing then he would only see me pop one buff per trash pull if he was paying attention to the ability buffs in the Party List. But bosses had everything thrown at them. The duty was finished in quite a tidy time too. No longer than 25 minutes, I'm sure. (Had to stop to brief friend on occasion over tactics before the bosses)

It just seemed a little uncalled for and random to bring such a thing up when all we did was pull in an extra 8 teeny, tiny, weak mobs.

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25 minutes.. in fractals? That is shudder-worthy slow. The standard was 15 minutes 40 ilvls ago. This should take no longer than 12 minutes, so your run took over 200% the time necessary 0.0

As a side note, it is much better to line your buffs together because they are multiplicative. I am going to use two standard damage increases for simplicity, if you pop raging strikes for +20% and blood for blood for +10% you actually get your base damage 1 x RS 1.2 x B4B x 1.1 = 1.32 modifier (rather than a 1.2 and then later a 1.1).

That said, based on your story of the tank grabbing just the 1 tethered pack, I imagine a great part of why your run was so abysmally slow was due to the tank.

Did Brayflox with a friend last night. Things went smoothly until the last leg of the dungeon, when the tank wanted to do the couerl boss for the ring. The MCH wasn't pleased and ran off to Aiatar, triggering the cutscene whilst we were in the combat. I got a bit annoyed, but simply said "dude" because maybe they did it by mistake? Nope. MCH responded with this:

"yeah"
"no"
"waste your own time pls"

Mind you, the tank didn't do anything to make the run slower, and the couerl boss doesn't take that long to kill. But it did because the MCH refused to help us. So first, they complain we're wasting time, then they end up wasting more time? Congratulations. You played yourself. Anyways we votekicked them afterwards, and got a nice BRD. Finished the dungeon with little trouble.

Anyways. I'm sorry, but please don't ever do this. You're just wasting more time for yourself and being unfair to others in your party.

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Originally Posted by Selli

What I say: "Don't ignore the orbs, guys."

What the party hears: "Ignore the orbs, guys."

I was trying really hard to Sacred Soil, Adlo, and Lustrate myself so I could eat two of the orbs. But it wasn't working so well. >.<

[EDIT] And then I did Trial Roulette with teh boyfriend and we got Shiva HM. Aaand wiped 3 times, lol. Twice from lack of healing and once 'cause the tank cleaved 2/3 of the party (specifically all of the ranged). He was on MNK and I was on BLM.

[EDIT2] I had a really good Prae run to make up for it. Everyone was a vet and all we did was joke around and talk about mechanics. Queued with an FC mate and then Rei queued in and got our commendations for being sneaky.

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Wait. You can wipe to Shiva HM? o.o

:P

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Wait. You can wipe to Shiva HM? o.o

:P

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One time I wiped to Shiva HM bc the main tank was too used to running Extreme and turned the sword cleave on the entire party.

One of my top five favorite wipes.

I ran Antitower as a DRK the other day and somewhere along the way I started losing aggro like crazy. Mobs all over the place like I wasn't even wearing Grit, and I could not figure out what was wrong as I normally don't have any trouble holding aggro. The dps weren't even that crazy fast. Only during the final boss do I figure out what the problem is: my weapon broke.

The dangers of being a leveling crafter and relying on your own repairs rather than the vendors - weapon was the only gear I could not yet repair myself.

Fortunately, after I apologized for my stupidity, the rest of the party laughed rather than raged, and I even got a comm out of it somehow.

Really good runs today, had lots of fun in Mentor Roulette. Copperbell HM ended up popping and we decided to try burning the first boss instead of dealing with bombs. We wiped the first attempt but we nailed it the second one, it was the first time I've ever seen anyone try that strat. During the last boss I found healing was really hard and I couldn't figure out why and then I noticed Eos had managed to get flung across the room and since I had Placed her, she didn't go back. >.<

So today I had the brilliant idea that since I was a WHM with nothing better to do, I'd hurl myself into the toxic spheres at the first boss in Amdapor HM so the black mage and dragoon wouldn't have to move.

Apparently the party noticed and I left with 3 comms. ._.

Had this happen today in DF, I feel sorry for any groups this 51 Archer ends up with in the future. Btw, they died in Ramuh HM (even after claiming this wasn't their first character). Archer is in yellow.



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So I thought I would go do my VA before heading to bed... I shouldn't have. I am SCH and I got paired with an AST. 1. The AST would stay in Nocturnal Sect stating that my addlos and Succors are shitty compared to his superior shields.... Great this debate again so I decided to shut up and just DPS, mister wants to be a smarty pants then so be it. Half way he starts saying im shitty for never losing mp... Really?! Again I shut up and do my thing, keep thinking he ain't worth it but I start looking at what he does... He kept giving ewer to BLM and DRK o.o

So anyways I don't saying anything but then before the last boss thr BLM starts saying shit to him about using ewer and that he doesn't need it... AST proceed to tell him that he sure needs it since he always see him get at 0 mp... Im like... What? I examine him, and he has BLM level 60'and he is a Mentor.... When last boss dies half the party told him he was a shitty healer and I just left... I never saw such a bad AST.

FC mate got into a spectacular 40 minute Stone Vigil tonight for her leveling roulette. Party was her on MNK, an AST, an ARC, and WAR. The Archer had no accessories at all. Their left side was decently geared, but that was it. The tank was using STR accessories. When he was asked to use his tank stance, he had no idea what it was. They start out and wipe because the tank was too squishy. The AST was pumping out heals as fast as he could, but it wasn't enough. Tank's HP was too low, and DPS output was bad because one of them was little more than a glorified DoT. I told my friend next time eat the penalty and I'll run roulettes with her.

I see Cnidarian mentioned also encountering an Archer. Is this thing happening again? I play as a class instead of a job for whatever BS reason?

I had a fantastic run of Un-Synced Coil last night.

We started at Turn 5 and finished up Turn 13.

People came and went as life happened but overall it was fun. Thank you everyone.

Tried to do an expert the other day on WHM.

Even with my regular DPS with holy spam enemies were dying extremely slow. I noticed the BLM never used Enochian and I have no idea what the other DPS was doing.

We got to the first boss and it was dying the slowest I've EVER seen. We started dying to the Frog Song because the adds were not dying fast enough and I am frogged and cannot heal.

I still see the BLM (when he bothers to cast, sometimes he just stands there) not using Enochian at all and only using the 2.0 rotation. So I type to him quickly "why don't you use Enochian at all? It's okay if you aren't perfect at it but at least try to use it to help damage". I couldn't pinpoint what the other DPS was doing wrong so I didn't ask them anything at the time.

We manage to kill the frog boss after FIVE frog song rotations....I've only ever seen 2-3 before and the BLM finally responds to me and you know what he says?

"I don't have that"

"I don't have that"??????????????

....What?

So my natural response was "You're...a 60 BLM you must have it"

BLM: I don't

BRD: didn't you do your job quests?

BLM: to level 50 yes

Me: You..didn't do ANY of the 50-60 job quests?

BLM: no

/facepalm

I am pretty tolerant 99% of the time. Sometimes people just cross that hard to cross 1% where I can't tolerate anymore. I don't mind if people are learning etc; if they are just actively trying to play correctly its fine by me but I just couldn't deal with this level of ignorance at the time I was tired and I lost some faith here and just hurriedly apologized to the group that I was too tired to continue and ate the penalty to leave.

I don't mind helping people but what do you even say to help someone that is that oblivious? He had other jobs 55+ too and was decent ilevel on BLM so he's been playing all this time and missing 5 whole spells/abilities....I can't even...mind blown.

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Originally Posted by Miste

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Yea that guy is um..... Yea he needs help.

Quite some time ago, I was running Trial roulette on my Warrior. Ravana HM popped up.
Everything was going okay, I was off-tanking, a couple of swords appeared but that's manageable. One dps fell off when he did his knockback, then we wiped.
Second try, again there's like 2 or 3 swords if I remember correctly. After Bloody Fuller, I automatically gain aggro, and Ravana starts doing massive cleaves on me.

One of the healers was standing right behind me. He was taking huge damage, and after every hit he had to heal himself. I couldn't move the boss because if I turned it I would hit the entire party. So we wiped, as the healer couldn't keep himself up and he died, and then everybody else died to other mechanics.

Told him to not stand in the cleave, and then he went on a huge rant about how everybody else was bad because "I've personally never had a problem with this fight". Shortly afterwards, a DPS aggroed Ravana while the MT and I were watching, then people voted to abandon.

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Originally Posted by Miste

BLM: I don't

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That was a painful read, I can't even wrap my head around it, like why? xD

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Originally Posted by Powe

Yea that guy is um..... Yea he needs help.

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more then you think dont take their job quests after 50, and this affects all classes.

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Originally Posted by Miste

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That slow sinking realisation that he's probably not done the post-50 job quests on other jobs he's got to 52 onwards...

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Originally Posted by FedoraTheExplorer

Did Brayflox with a friend last night. Things went smoothly until the last leg of the dungeon, when the tank wanted to do the couerl boss for the ring. The MCH wasn't pleased and ran off to Aiatar, triggering the cutscene whilst we were in the combat. I got a bit annoyed, but simply said "dude" because maybe they did it by mistake? Nope. MCH responded with this:

"yeah"
"no"
"waste your own time pls"

Mind you, the tank didn't do anything to make the run slower, and the couerl boss doesn't take that long to kill. But it did because the MCH refused to help us. So first, they complain we're wasting time, then they end up wasting more time? Congratulations. You played yourself. Anyways we votekicked them afterwards, and got a nice BRD. Finished the dungeon with little trouble.

Anyways. I'm sorry, but please don't ever do this. You're just wasting more time for yourself and being unfair to others in your party.

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I'm sorry but this was 100% the fault of the rest of you. How dare you make/enable reasonable requests.

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Originally Posted by Miste

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I sympathize. I had a dude in a Dusk say he didn't do his 50+ quests because he "mains healer classes and only plays BLM when he doesn't want to pay attention."

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

I sympathize. I had a dude in a Dusk say he didn't do his 50+ quests because he "mains healer classes and only plays BLM when he doesn't want to pay attention."

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Wow.... Just wow....

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

I sympathize. I had a dude in a Dusk say he didn't do his 50+ quests because he "mains healer classes and only plays BLM when he doesn't want to pay attention."

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I got kicked out of Brayflox for asking the Astrologist why he didn't level conjurer to get the protect skill.I had a dragoon laugh at me in the Vault when i asked him why they didn't use heavy thrust entire run.I've had a ninja tell my ninja i should go back to playing monk after them trying to solo their seperate mob from tank every pull and not useing trick attack one single time but instead useing sneak attack.(even on bosses).

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Originally Posted by Miste

Tried to do an expert the other day on WHM.

Even with my regular DPS with holy spam enemies were dying extremely slow. I noticed the BLM never used Enochian--- *words* --- I don't mind helping people but what do you even say to help someone that is that oblivious? He had other jobs 55+ too and was decent ilevel on BLM so he's been playing all this time and missing 5 whole spells/abilities....I can't even...mind blown.

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Not to defend the guy but I have not been able to do any of my WHM post 50 job quests because I have not unlocked Ishgard yet. :(

Maybe the BLM was in the same situation. Just food for thought.

The BLM must have had access to Ishgard as both of the current Expert Roulette dungeons require completion of the Heavensward main story to unlock.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Not to defend the guy but I have not been able to do any of my WHM post 50 job quests because I have not unlocked Ishgard yet. :(

Maybe the BLM was in the same situation. Just food for thought.

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The Anti-Tower in the Expert Roulette requires Ishgard access. So it's not possible.

Your situation is normal but you wouldn't be able to queue for any Ishgard dungeons so its not a problem.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

The BLM must have had access to Ishgard as both of the current Expert Roulette dungeons require completion of the Heavensward main story to unlock.

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Gotcha! I stand corrected. :)

Did some Aery runs to help a friend of mime level up. I queue as SCH and my friend queue as BRD. The run was so dreadful and bad we almost wanted to leave. We got paired with a badly geared DRG and DRK. DRG was doing 0 dmg because he was wearing level 45 to lvl 50 gear with a shiva weapon (??) and the DRK could not keep hate no matter what my friend did so he was doing tiny little pulls the whole run with just my friend and I doing decent dps.

We almost wiped at the last boss because we almost didn't kill the dragon in time before --- could cast his shield to protect us. My friend and I tought maybe that the DRG was new but no..... Everything 60 except DRG same with the DRK. I was doing more dps than the DRG. The run was brutal.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Not to defend the guy but I have not been able to do any of my WHM post 50 job quests because I have not unlocked Ishgard yet. :(

Maybe the BLM was in the same situation. Just food for thought.

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As other posters said, the BLM definitely has access to Ishgard, but it's possible they leveled to 60 before having reached Ishgard (this happened to a paladin I know) and after this they simply forgot to start the new quests.

On the other hand, someone MUST have told them about new abilities along their way to unlock Antitower D:

Btw Miste, why did you leave instead of kicking the BLM? Wouldn't this make, well, more sense?

When I first opened up HW I knew right away that drk would be my new main so I opened it up right away and got to leveling. I did all the every five level quests np, but at around 56 I noticed other drk at or below my lv using things like plunge and salted earth and I was like wtf did I miss something??

Did a WOD run where ppl refused to eat meteors, wouldn't properly divide up for stormclouds, wiped 7 times on the final boss, it was pathetic. It got to the point to where I stopped healing people when I seen them ignoring mechanics. "no heals for you"

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

Did a WOD run where ppl refused to eat meteors, wouldn't properly divide up for stormclouds, wiped 7 times on the final boss, it was pathetic. It got to the point to where I stopped healing people when I seen them ignoring mechanics. "no heals for you"

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I still can't wrap my head around why so many people jump into 24-mans with the intention to be lazy just because it is somewhat faceroll content. The thing is, it stops being faceroll content when people completely ignore the mechanics ¬___¬


Like I did a VA run the other day and a blm on our team, as soon as the first boss started she just stood there only just inside the barrier as to not be locked out. She was of course ultimately kicked, after repeated attempts from people telling her to start fighting or get kicked.

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Btw Miste, why did you leave instead of kicking the BLM? Wouldn't this make, well, more sense?

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I am generally too nice most of the time I only rarely use the vote kick function and usually for things like harassment or trolling.

The duty finder let him queue and enter the expert even without having his job quests done. He could even queue as THM and get in there...it's more of a game design flaw (and partly his own fault for not caring enough to learn even remotely how to play the game/his job). I just refused to deal with it and took the penalty. If he really is as oblivious as he seemed to be then he probably didn't even realize he did anything wrong.

They could add more requirements to queue for max level content like having all your job quests completed and it would tell you if you didn't; this would solve this from happening especially since SE designed the current max level content based on level 60 jobs with all their job spells and abilities unlocked. So really the DF should not let you queue into level 60 content when you are missing the baseline requirements that SE used to design the content. Imagine a BLM with no 50-60 job quests done going into Sephirot EX? It's bad design that DF would allow him to enter even in a premade PF group.

I really do try to be as nice as I can to other players, but only being human, some of them still manage confuse me to the point of annoyance/giving up. I lost some faith that someone could be THAT oblivious and just didn't feel like playing anymore so I left. I try to help people a lot but there is a limit to how much I will spoon feed someone information that they can find from many other sources if they cared enough to look at it. I firmly believe anyone can learn, on their own, to play a job averagely/decently if they cared enough to do so.