#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by BismarckBug

I have to pull you up on this because I have a feeling that you haven't done all forms of content because this general dissatisfaction does not exactly fit the bill in Savage, Savage Criterion and Ultimate content. Unless you are playing in the most optimal setting (most aren't) and are overgeared for the content (applies to Savage, at which point it's not about job design it's about ilvl bruteforcing) then you are straining your cohealer because they are for sure doing GCD healing which you yourself seem to prefer.

Healers do have a place in all forms of content. Warriors being able to heal a dungeon is an outlier and it's not the preferred way of doing it for everyone. If the TOP group clearing without a healer is going to be used as an example then why is anyone still playing healer? Because it's more optimal in every situation.

If Usain Bolt can run 40km/h, what's the point of cars?

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That's a valid point, but I can ask the same what's the point of cars if we have trains/planes? But the issue goes way deeper than just "ultimate cleared without healers". Refer to this thread for a summary of healer issues.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

I'd say that the healer rework is more urgent. The dps are pretty good, really: the rotation is static, but as far as I've been able to see that's been the case from the start. They're all managed quite differently despite the similarities that can sometimes be found between them; some are harder to manoeuvre, while others are very simple.

The tanks are more questionable, and would also benefit from a major overhaul. But then... This is just a personal opinion, but what's really needed for the tanks is a change to the combat system itself: more management of los, aggro (get rid of that tank stance, please), in particular.

And then there are the healers. The healers, whose logs show 90% spam from a single power, whatever the class. Healers, which is one of the only roles where the ‘good healer = bored’ equation can be felt. When you're a healer, if your group is good then your gameplay is anihilated, something that doesn't happen with tanks or dps.

That said, I find it hard to understand your position. It seems to me that it was you who said that complaining was pointless, and that all you had to do was quit the game? My apologies if that's not the case; if it is, I'll return the remark. In the end, your message boils down to ‘but really, everything is crap, why should your crap be treated first?’. If that's what you really think, that the game can no longer satisfy you whether you play dps, healer or tank, you should take your own advice, shouldn't you?

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Oh dont you worry, ill finish the story then unsub again as usual, the jobs are awful in this game across the board the only thing I come back for is the story because I know the jobs will always remain trash, and it will only continue to shift one way by the looks of it which is more homogenization.

Also I wasnt saying my crap should be treated first but the Devs are only showing interest in looking at ALL jobs across the board coming 8.0, and if healers get their rework before Tanks and DPS do you think everyones not gonna kick up a stink over it?

So what I can gather those against the strike says the situation is what it is because it ws asked...

So if Square really makes a role revamp in 8.0...

The tanks damage actions should be reduced to max 3. The rest are mitigation and enmity control tools. Tanks ask for more mitigation. So more mitigation! No DPS! This is what tanks want! This should reduce tankxiety!

Sounds fun right?

DPS shoujld have only attacks. No buffs or debuffs or heals. They don't need them. No movement tools. If your job is melee, no ranged attacks. Every action is a combo action without breaks. There should be no need to take the job homogenisation in account. It's just DPS. So be it. Casters have everything with a cast time. No progs. No positionals.

Sounds fun right?

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Originally Posted by kyyninen_kirahvi

So what I can gather those against the strike says the situation is what it is because it ws asked...

So if Square really makes a role revamp in 8.0...

The tanks damage actions should be reduced to max 3. The rest are mitigation and enmity control tools. Tanks ask for more mitigation. So more mitigation! No DPS! This is what tanks want! This should reduce tankxiety!

Sounds fun right?

DPS shoujld have only attacks. No buffs or debuffs or heals. They don't need them. No movement tools. If your job is melee, no ranged attacks. Every action is a combo action without breaks. There should be no need to take the job homogenisation in account. It's just DPS. So be it. Casters have everything with a cast time. No progs. No positionals.

Sounds fun right?

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They are already homogenizing all jobs so whats your point here?

Just because healers got the crap end of a stick doesnt mean all jobs didnt... more buttons doesnt mean more better, All im hearing from you healers is mememememememe when we are ALL in the same boat.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

That's a valid point, but I can ask the same what's the point of cars if we have trains/planes? But the issue goes way deeper than just "ultimate cleared without healers". Refer to this thread for a summary of healer issues.

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Just so I'm not misunderstanding your point in reference to my final "food for thought" comment, is your analogy that healers are cars in this scenario and others are trains/planes?

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Oh dont you worry, ill finish the story then unsub again as usual, the jobs are awful in this game across the board the only thing I come back for is the story because I know the jobs will always remain trash, and it will only continue to shift one way by the looks of it which is more homogenization.

Also I wasnt saying my crap should be treated first but the Devs are only showing interest in looking at ALL jobs across the board coming 8.0, and if healers get their rework before Tanks and DPS do you think everyones not gonna kick up a stink over it?

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Oh, it's quite possible that there will be protests. MMORPG communities are... Quick to grumble. But in that case, and I'm only speaking from my own personal point of view, I'd have no problem telling them what I told you above: that, in my opinion, reworking the healers is objectively more urgent. In any case, if you refuse to make any changes based on potential reactions, it's simple: you're not making anything new happen in this game.

And I don't think that ‘all jobs suck’, far from it. But that's another discussion.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

All im hearing from you healers is mememememememe when we are ALL in the same boat.

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At least we're trying to do something about it, as redundant as you may think it is, rather than accepting it and telling others to settle, too.
If you're dissatisfied, start something... or roll over and accept it.

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Originally Posted by kyyninen_kirahvi

So what I can gather those against the strike says the situation is what it is because it ws asked...

So if Square really makes a role revamp in 8.0...

The tanks damage actions should be reduced to max 3. The rest are mitigation and enmity control tools. Tanks ask for more mitigation. So more mitigation! No DPS! This is what tanks want! This should reduce tankxiety!

Sounds fun right?

DPS shoujld have only attacks. No buffs or debuffs or heals. They don't need them. No movement tools. If your job is melee, no ranged attacks. Every action is a combo action without breaks. There should be no need to take the job homogenisation in account. It's just DPS. So be it. Casters have everything with a cast time. No progs. No positionals.

Sounds fun right?

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Except that is not what people are suggesting or demanding in any fashion. As if to prove the point of this thread, I bring a visual aid:

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_th...pyXoAA9Zg0.jpg

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Originally Posted by BismarckBug

Just so I'm not misunderstanding your point in reference to my final "food for thought" comment, is your analogy that healers are cars in this scenario and others are trains/planes?

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How is using Usain Bolt and a car as an analogy better? Are you saying healers are Usain Bolt but every other role is a car because they're faster? I fail to understand that. If you have nothing constructive to say, at least have the decency to read the thread I linked earlier so you might actually have an understanding what's going on.

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Originally Posted by Edmund_Blackadder

Except that is not what people are suggesting or demanding in any fashion. As if to prove the point of this thread, I bring a visual aid:

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_th...pyXoAA9Zg0.jpg

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All the more the need for Rouse to return.