Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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I cant drink my Fantasia fast enough

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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I would never have thought to have witnessed such perfection! Truly, the most marvellous of creations! An amazing sight to behold!

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Honestly, they do Look Good. Even I think they look pretty, but still in this case with FFXIV, I believe the Females should be like the males and have a Full Feline face.



All of this and a Bag of Chips.
The name of the game here is --Consistency--

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I think this is what people have been surprised at when I have given my opinion, because while I do think something more Bless-like would be more popular, I do personally think they should be consistent and make female hrothgar look like they belong to the same race. Although, the Bless variants aren't too egregious, in my opinion.

The thing about male hrothgar though, is that they are pretty soft in the face and stylized, so I could easily see them taking a similar approach with females.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think this is what people have been surprised at when I have given my opinion, because while I do think something more Bless-like would be more popular, I do personally think they should be consistent and make female hrothgar look like they belong to the same race. Although, the Bless variants aren't too egregious, in my opinion.

The thing about male hrothgar though, is that they are pretty soft in the face and stylized, so I could easily see them taking a similar approach with females.

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I think it's probably because softer faces and stylizing helps making them more emotive.

Otherwise we'd end up with what Disney thought would be a good idea. Same scene:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcdx98dWQAEogES.jpg

...the mere fact they're making a live action movie for Mufasa boggles my mind. Disney truly does not learn.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I think it's probably because softer faces and stylizing helps making them more emotive.

Otherwise we'd end up with what Disney thought would be a good idea. Same scene:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcdx98dWQAEogES.jpg

...the mere fact they're making a live action movie for Mufasa boggles my mind. Disney truly does not learn.

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Of course, stylization makes for a more expressive face. I have always thought that female hrothgar should be fairly expressive. I've always imagined them as being very proud and sure of themselves, like a queen.

I was looking foreword to that Live Action too.
If they could have toned back the photo realism just a little...enough so they could have added abit more emotion, would have been good visually.

But the other thing I hated the most about that movie, os the Voice acting.
It was So Souless and sounded like they were literally just reading a script

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I was looking foreword to that Live Action too.
If they could have toned back the photo realism just a little...enough so they could have added abit more emotion, would have been good visually.

But the other thing I hated the most about that movie, os the Voice acting.
It was So Souless and sounded like they were literally just reading a script

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The worst part about that entire movie is that actual lions are not that emotionless. They display a lot of goofy faces, as you can see with Hrothgar themselves. The movie was entirely soulless, and anybody who had seen actual lions or asked zookeepers would have been able to get some good material for examples of lion faces to use that were not so...fake.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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Female Hrothgar are Kiwi birb people confirmed!

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Female Hrothgar are Kiwi birb people confirmed!

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I approve of this message! o7

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Originally Posted by RecoveryPotion

Please don't give them a slouchy look like the males and if they could look similar to this. I would play one!

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If female Hrothgar looked similar to this, then I'd be pretty disappointed in SE (the face is too human. Hrothgar do not have a human face).

I can't imagine the devs not trying to maintain at least some degree of mainstream appeal, female designs are under a lot more "pressure" to be attractive, after all, so that may be just what get in the end...

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

I can't imagine the devs not trying to maintain at least some degree of mainstream appeal, female designs are under a lot more "pressure" to be attractive, after all, so that may be just what get in the end...

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If they do that, they're going to get a TON of complaints, anger, and rage from the Hrothgar community, along with anybody else who wanted them to look similar to the males. I'd personally break my rule of "don't harass the devs" for this one.

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

I can't imagine the devs not trying to maintain at least some degree of mainstream appeal, female designs are under a lot more "pressure" to be attractive, after all, so that may be just what get in the end...

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That's not necessarily true. First, fan feedback is something they need to take into account. I KNOW that generally speaking they don't really lend an ear to Hrothgars, but given that a) we do have a thread on this, and b) members of other races have also given their input, they will at least keep this in mind. Even if the pressure to make attractive female characters exist, keep in mind that they usually tend to make races as similar as possible even when there is dimorphism so that they match. As well as how the inverse is also true: Male Viera look incredibly similar to Viera. Their original design for FF14 back in Heavensward shows that they considered more masculine-looking bodies, but as fans showed support specifically for "shorter males with similar attractiveness", they acquiesced.
I'm seeing them making one or two "attractive faces", and then go for more feral faces to cater to people who want them.

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

I can't imagine the devs not trying to maintain at least some degree of mainstream appeal, female designs are under a lot more "pressure" to be attractive, after all, so that may be just what get in the end...

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But like, that's why we have: Viera, Mid/Highlander, Elezen, Au Ra, Miqo'te and Roegadyn (yes, they're attractive queens).

Hrothgar women should appeal to the niche audience who want to play as beast women. Not Viera/Miqo'te 2.0

While I have no doubt they'll try to make them waifus, I'm hoping that, just like how only face 4 of the males is an actual Ronso, one face will be the designated 'conventionally pretty' one while the others are literal cats. At least that's what I think it'd make the most people happy. Afterall, it's not like having a more human-shaped head makes the hat/hair situation any better *glances at Vieras*

This Tabaxi, for example, looks conventionally pretty imo - slim, feminine, gentle face, even has lipstick, but is still very much a 'monster' rather than a human with facepaint

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Originally Posted by RecoveryPotion

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I wish I had photoshopping skills, because I want to see how she'd look with more beastlike traits. To me, she looks a little too much like a fur-covered Miqo'te/Mithra. I think the face shape would work, but the facial features are a bit too human.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

That's not necessarily true. First, fan feedback is something they need to take into account. I KNOW that generally speaking they don't really lend an ear to Hrothgars, but given that a) we do have a thread on this, and b) members of other races have also given their input, they will at least keep this in mind. Even if the pressure to make attractive female characters exist, keep in mind that they usually tend to make races as similar as possible even when there is dimorphism so that they match. As well as how the inverse is also true: Male Viera look incredibly similar to Viera. Their original design for FF14 back in Heavensward shows that they considered more masculine-looking bodies, but as fans showed support specifically for "shorter males with similar attractiveness", they acquiesced.
I'm seeing them making one or two "attractive faces", and then go for more feral faces to cater to people who want them.

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Personally, I would have preferred a much more masculine, or mature looking male viera. There is no option for a more masculine or mature face for male viera. With female hrothgar, I have read users saying that SE has decided on two (?) different potential looks for them? What I kind of wish SE would do is actually work with the community and gather feedback, during development, of course that's highly unlikely. We will get what we will get when they are released, and they might add some different options later.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Personally, I would have preferred a much more masculine, or mature looking male viera.

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GIRL SAME
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Nothing wrong with having the option to play sleek and slim male characters. But in a game utterly invaded by those, the lack of these options are a lot more jarring since they're so rare. No wonder everyone says FF14 is too "anime"; if you want to play an older character, you either need one specific look or you go Highlander/Roegadyn. More... "appealing" characters end up looking far too jovial and cute.

I'd play the everliving hell out of that bottom right design. The Au Ra are meant to look demonic/draconic, but to me they just like they're Marrow from the X-Men but anime. We could have had demonic guys coated in dragon scales and look utterly terrifying, but instead we just got lean and simple guys with one admittedly pretty scale pattern that don't look intimidating at all.

The girls are even worse. They looked absolutely feral on the original design, which makes me think they'd fit women like Sadu a lot more than the petite lolita look they went for.
https://i.imgur.com/3X1HNa9.png

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There is no option for a more masculine or mature face for male viera. With female hrothgar, I have read users saying that SE has decided on two (?) different potential looks for them? What I kind of wish SE would do is actually work with the community and gather feedback, during development, of course that's highly unlikely. We will get what we will get when they are released, and they might add some different options later.

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I don't know where that "they decided on two looks" thing came from. Do they happen to have a source on that, because I'm curious to know in what context it surfaced.

But on the topic of female Hrothgar, hopefuly there's potential to satisfy everyone, though in fairness one needs to separate three things. 1 - People who will ACTUALLY play that race seriously. 2 - People who want to see the race fit the game and themselves (this includes male Hrothgar, for whom the addition of female counterpart is a big deal) from 3 - People who have an opinion on the race but aren't affected by its existence nor are interested in playing it (such as people who don't have an interest in it but still want them to match the rest of the game). And there's a sort of hierarchy. So if, for example, the majority of players who clearly want to play them don't want cutesy and humanoid looks, but the rest of the community does, Square needs to decide who they want to listen to. Discernment is on their side, since they're the ones developping the race.

As for Male Viera not having many masculine features, as I said, they did design some masculine features but then dropped them in favour of what we have now. I suspect this is because many people wanted the males to be shorter but similar to the females. And sometimes, what we see on the artwork is "prettified" on the actual models, so even if they design something one way, odds are the models will be too smooth and young for it to be expressed.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

While I have no doubt they'll try to make them waifus, I'm hoping that, just like how only face 4 of the males is an actual Ronso, one face will be the designated 'conventionally pretty' one while the others are literal cats. At least that's what I think it'd make the most people happy. Afterall, it's not like having a more human-shaped head makes the hat/hair situation any better *glances at Vieras*

This Tabaxi, for example, looks conventionally pretty imo - slim, feminine, gentle face, even has lipstick, but is still very much a 'monster' rather than a human with facepaint

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fa/20...3c2f18d3d1.jpg

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Don't play with my heart like this... Tabaxi is one of my favorite playable races... You're setting my expectations way too high with this ahaha
But I agree, I do hope at least ONE of the face options is bestial AF

I'm a huge fan of the male Viera. But i can't really imagine the female Hrothgar. Before the male Viera were officially shown, people thought of them to be huge and have many big muscles. And now they're smaller than the femals and have normal sized muscles. I still love them though. The only thing i dislike is that they're standing backwards leaned. Seems like a ton of back pain.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I don't know where that "they decided on two looks" thing came from. Do they happen to have a source on that, because I'm curious to know in what context it surfaced.

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I vaguely recall Yoshi P mentioning it - in a very throwaway line way, mind you - in some Q&A sometime before 6.1, if not the 6.1 LL itself. They had already settled on 2 of the Hrothgals faces and were still deciding on the latter 2. Assuming that was at least 3 months ago, they may have already decided on their final look by now.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I vaguely recall Yoshi P mentioning it - in a very throwaway line way, mind you - in some Q&A sometime before 6.1, if not the 6.1 LL itself. They had already settled on 2 of the Hrothgals faces and were still deciding on the latter 2. Assuming that was at least 3 months ago, they may have already decided on their final look by now.

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/456921

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Q: Do you have any updates regarding female Hrothgar?
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A: With Endwalker-related tasks finally calming down, rough sketches are now being made to solidify their design in earnest. It’ll be a long while before they’re implemented, but progress has been steady.

Some may think, “Won’t only a few people play as female Hrothgar?” but my concerns aren’t really about whether female Hrothgar will become as popular as other races. More importantly, expanding the in-game world with a variety of different races and players of varying characteristics is a crucial step towards making FFXIV an RPG that can be played alone or with friends. As such, it’s not about how many people will use them, but rather about implementing female Hrothgar for the people looking forward to them.

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However, that's not exactly what is said in the video. The relevant bit transcribed from the translator in the video is:

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"So right now we've had the art team draw a variety of styles for a possible female Hrothgar design. We've picked two of them and we're currently thinking about how those would look and what adjustments we would have to involve putting those into character creation. So obviously it's going to be some time before we can implement them as a race, but we are working and we are making progress."

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I vaguely recall Yoshi P mentioning it - in a very throwaway line way, mind you - in some Q&A sometime before 6.1, if not the 6.1 LL itself. They had already settled on 2 of the Hrothgals faces and were still deciding on the latter 2. Assuming that was at least 3 months ago, they may have already decided on their final look by now.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

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"rough sketches are now being made to solidify their design in earnest" doesn't mean there were two designs... From what it sounds like to me is that they're now starting to come up with conceptual sketches and figure out what the best course is.

I'm not sure if it was from that stream, but at least I do recall they specifically mentioned "2" ....or it was a mistranslation, who knows /shrug

That said, at least from that statement we can confirm that even if they're yassified, they'd still likely be somewhat feral. So begone 'Miqote 2.0' enjoyers >:U

*edit* Oh ok, so they settled on 2 draft designs from the bunch to judge, but even those aren't set in stone yet.

Check my post again. I watched that part of the video afterward and edited to include what is actually said.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Check my post again. I watched that part of the video afterward and edited to include what is actually said.

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Oh :P Sorry, jumped the gun.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

However, that's not exactly what is said in the video. The relevant bit transcribed from the translator in the video is: "So right now we've had the art team draw a variety of styles for a possible female Hrothgar design. We've picked two of them and we're currently thinking about how those would look and what adjustments we would have to involve putting those into character creation. So obviously it's going to be some time before we can implement them as a race, but we are working and we are making progress."

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From that, it seems that they did choose two designs, but aren't sure how to model them or if they will mesh with the rest of the game. As well as what character creation menu options they'll require. Because remember, our character creation menus are recycled options. Sliders are repurposed, which is why some have muscle sliders and others have tail sliders.

Of course, question is, which two designs are they and what do they look like?

At this point I think we've made it clear what sort of designs the majority wants? At least I think so, especially given that hierarchy I mentioned: you have feedback from people who really want to play female Hrothgar, you have feedback from people who might be impacted by their inclusion but might not play them directly, and people who will not play it nor be impacted by. We might want to start asking Square to share more information, at least from a preliminary standpoint.

Because we know Square won't share designs, they never do. But a hint to their overall design path and what they themselves think the game should feature is important to temper our expectations and check to see if it matches what their playerbase wants.

Or, you know :) we'll get ears chopped off again. Or we'll start "demanding unrealistic stuff" again. Because we didn't temper any expectations nor know what to expect at all!

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I'm not sure if it was from that stream, but at least I do recall they specifically mentioned "2" ....or it was a mistranslation, who knows /shrug

That said, at least from that statement we can confirm that even if they're yassified, they'd still likely be somewhat feral. So begone 'Miqote 2.0' enjoyers >:U

*edit* Oh ok, so they settled on 2 draft designs from the bunch to judge, but even those aren't set in stone yet.

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*cough* I hope so xD ngl I hope that they're somewhat feral at least. They should match us, imo. Miqo'te 2.0 sound cool, but like... for people who want Miqo 2.0, have you considered that the one reason Hrothgar were even added to this game was because THE DEVS DIDN'T WANT ANOTHER SAME-Y RACE? :) Respectfully.

Like, no diss to Viera players, power to them, but the devs only made Vieras bc fans really had an expectation for it. They had otherwise discarded their Viera designs for being too similar to other races.

Here's hoping they release some info soon without us having to pry it with a barrage of questions[aka by their choosing]

Will avoid setting expectations from people's images/references.
while she won't be anywhere near my main.<since I still got lots to do with my true main.> it'll be a wait til we can get hands on the creation.[she'll be 4th alt.]

slightly off topic. since they'll be adjust the models as well of the existing races.
I bet they're being made with future Visual adjustments from the start.[or at least hope so.]
<which also begs the question of, If the females will be walking around higher res than the males for awhile>

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Here's hoping they release some info soon without us having to pry it with a barrage of questions[aka by their choosing]

Will avoid setting expectations from people's images/references.
while she won't be anywhere near my main.<since I still got lots to do with my true main.> it'll be a wait til we can get hands on the creation.[she'll be 4th alt.]

slightly off topic. since they'll be adjust the models as well of the existing races.
I bet they're being made with future Visual adjustments from the start.[or at least hope so.]
<which also begs the question of, If the females will be walking around higher res than the males for awhile>

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True, we need to be cautious. If anything bc they do seem picky when it comes to Hrothgars -._.-

But you know how streamers tend to have Q&A's with them? At least one question should be "You mentioned female Hrothgar were coming. You also mentioned the team had an idea for their designs. Without getting into any details, can you say more about the sort of vision the team has?". And just leave it at that, they can respond however they want. They likely will be cryptic, but anything's better than silence.

As for the rest, I think it will depend greatly on their timing. We know the overhaul for the original races (Au Ra seem to be left out) will come eventually. We don't know when the remaining three will come. If they find time to make the remaining three by 7.0, then odds are they'll be released either before or with Female Hrothgar. If not, then Female Hrothgar will come with better graphics and we'll have to wait a little longer.

...assuming they will make it with better graphics to begin with. I daresay, sometimes Square is that daft that I think this would be an actual possibility -._.-

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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I just felt that with how female viera looked, it would make complete sense for their male counterpart to be handsome, and masculine. Where female viera look like women, male viera look like MEN. As I have said, that also is my preference for a male character. Likewise, with female hrothgar, I'd like them to look like a proper counterpart to male hrothgar, but still look good. I am less hung up on the popularity argument as I was in the past. I have softened a lot on a lot of my stances, though I still hold pretty much the same opinions on what I'd prefer them to look like.

Looks like others are now trying to answer that, I would never really know, as I get most of my information about the game from the forums.

With a race like hrothgar, I don't think there is really a potential way of satisfying everyone, unfortunately. They could sacrifice the more bestial look for a more human-like one, which would alienate players who want the former, or do the reverse and go for a more bestial look, rather than a more human-like one, alienating players who want that. This isn't even to mention their body shape!

The thing with male viera is that SE seemingly compromised with their look, because a lot of players actually wanted them quite shorter than they are, and more androgynous. What I find kind of funny is the amount of people that actually have switched off male viera who wanted them. While there are still a decent amount who play them, there are many who switched off due to the current limitations - which we warned them about. I do hope potential female hrothgar players will keep in mind the current limitations and give more feedback regarding that, this time around, or at least keep that in mind when they think about the inclusion of female hrothgar.

That comment already highlighted that their priority is that they "fit" rather than popularity, but much like how Yoshi had to outright confirm male Viera would not be shotas, it'd be nice if he'd at least assure us Hrothgals won't be 'humans' - I'm sure that alone would pacify most of the ...worries we're having.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Oh ok, so they settled on 2 draft designs from the bunch to judge, but even those aren't set in stone yet.

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Keep in mind that's from March, so by now they've probably made the final design decision and are actively working on it.

Also, more than likely they will be added in 7.0 which means they will be designed from the ground up with the added horsepower of the graphical update in mind.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I hope so xD ngl I hope that they're somewhat feral at least. They should match us, imo. Miqo'te 2.0 sound cool, but like... for people who want Miqo 2.0, have you considered that the one reason Hrothgar were even added to this game was because THE DEVS DIDN'T WANT ANOTHER SAME-Y RACE? :) Respectfully.

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We already have Miqo'te 2.0 and that's female Au Ra. Who knows what will happen but I feel like the devs understand the game doesn't need yet another cute waifu option or they wouldn't have added Hrothgar to begin with. Too bad they didn't come to that realization around the time of the feral dragon women concept art. :(

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I do hope potential female hrothgar players will keep in mind the current limitations and give more feedback regarding that, this time around, or at least keep that in mind when they think about the inclusion of female hrothgar.

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One of my main gripes with FFXIV is that all but one of the races are just humans with different ears. I was initially excited when Hrothgar were being added but they're too hunched over and squat for my liking. If female Hrothgar come out and they look sick with great emotes I would totally jump ship, hats and hairstyles be damned.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

One of my main gripes with FFXIV is that all but one of the races are just humans with different ears. I was initially excited when Hrothgar were being added but they're too hunched over and squat for my liking. If female Hrothgar come out and they look sick with great emotes I would totally jump ship, hats and hairstyles be [..].

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A lot of players have said that, and then end up switching back. After a couple weeks to a month, many start missing their old headgear and hairs, and fantasia back. Not saying that would happen with you. I do believe there is a portion of players who genuinely want that female beast character niche, and they currently have no alternative.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

A lot of players have said that, and then end up switching back. After a couple weeks to a month, many start missing their old headgear and hairs, and fantasia back. Not saying that would happen with you. I do believe there is a portion of players who genuinely want that female beast character niche, and currently have no alternative.

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Well I can only speak for myself but I barely use hats to begin with and use the same hairstyle 98% of the time so I don't think that would be a problem. The only hat I would miss is the one I use with my tank set.

Even if that weren't the case, I can't emphasize enough how boring the races in this game are. For a long time I was drifting from race to race, never really satisfied with any of them until I eventually stumbled across female highlander and loved their spicy personality. Before that I played a female elezen for a while but the thinking was, "well I don't want to be a tiny waifu and I don't like the femroe emotes so I guess this is my only option?" My point being that giving up hats and hairstyles would be a small price to pay to finally get what I wanted from the start.

All that being said, it obviously depends on how they turn out. I would honestly like an update on female Hrothgar if no other reason than to know whether to give up on the dream or not. lol

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

A lot of players have said that, and then end up switching back. After a couple weeks to a month, many start missing their old headgear and hairs, and fantasia back. Not saying that would happen with you. I do believe there is a portion of players who genuinely want that female beast character niche, and they currently have no alternative.

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If you allow the sob story...

I'll admit, I did change back to Roegadyn before for a good few months. It took Bozja releasing for me to buy a fantasia and change back. Haven't changed since. The reason I took a break was because, at the time, being a Hrothgar was all I wanted. Something like the Charr but that would fit the game, like a fuzzy Roegadyn. And while originally the lack of additions didn't bother me, what did was Square not bothering to update their stuff to accomodate us, or even make novelty items fit.

I didn't miss headgear, mind you. I have the headgear I like on my Hrothgar anyway. I missed not being so utterly disappointed. Since then I've just accepted that for a long while that I wasn't going to have anything like that. It helped, especially being more involved with some Hrothgar in my own datacenter for a time. Helped my FC leader run a venue, made some houses for Hrothgar, roleplayed as one with other people (no, not in the lewd way. Many wanted me to though, but I'm not very comfortable doing it). I just realized in the end that if I'm going to see any change done for my character, then Hrothgars needed to make their voices be heard alongside Viera. After all, Viera had their male counterpart. SURE it was through some nagging :p but I don't doubt they saw the forums and they understood what people really wanted.

I do wish I could say the same for the hairs. The treatment Square's been throwing around isn't acceptable. I understand being vague, I understand being cryptic. It's a work culture. But them acting this detached from their playerbase just hurt.

I have no urge to change my character from a Hrothgar now, even if it still hurts. And I think that the people that will want to play this race and really enjoy it will stick to it, even if it takes some time at first. They won't be a popular choice, but Yoshida did imply that they're not doing it out of popularity points. So if we're going to hold them to a higher standard, it should be their words. They gave us so much and we're grateful, but that doesn't mean it's okay to just be lax where it matters, and in a lore heavy MMORPG, in a Final Fantasy game where you get to choose the identity of your protagonist, your race matters. They said so much during the 1.0 -> ARR transition, and they've said so much so far. And fans should hold them accountable, because that's the standard they've set for us.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

One of my main gripes with FFXIV is that all but one of the races are just humans with different ears. I was initially excited when Hrothgar were being added but they're too hunched over and squat for my liking. If female Hrothgar come out and they look sick with great emotes I would totally jump ship, hats and hairstyles be damned.

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>w> What, would that mean that us male Hrothgars are so hunched over because we spent a lifetime bowing to our queens?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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Well, similarly, you know me, I was switching back and forth off of viera since awhile after they came out. At the same time lamenting the state these races were in ad nauseum on the forums to this day. :p

I have said in the past, to try and reassure myself, that I probably would have switched anyway, but I don't really think so anymore. Every time I would look at my character as an au ra, or a miqo'te, it didn't feel 'right'. It never felt 'right'. Of course I have some pretty bad obsessive tendencies that have only gotten worse over the years.

FFXIV is a game where you can spend thousands upon thousands of hours (even into the tens of thousands of hours) with your character. Your character matters.

My biggest issue was always hairs, and the seeming lack of care or support for our races (viera/hrothgar). Speaking on that, with female hrothgar, hopefully everything that has been and will be released, in terms of shared hairs for viera/male hrothgar during EW, will be likewise fit for them upon their release, so they have their full selection, alongside, what I presume will be, a handful of female hrothgar specific racial hairs. I'd like to hope that they'd also fit the next expansions artifact gear's headgear for viera/hrothgar as well, but that might be a bit of an ask. I'll ask for it anyway - WITH racial features not cut off. ;)

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I don't know where that "they decided on two looks" thing came from. Do they happen to have a source on that, because I'm curious to know in what context it surfaced.

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I believe it was in the Q&A section of March 2022 LL. They said "[...] we had the art team draw a variety of styles for possible female Hrothgar designs. We've picked 2 of them and we are currently thinking about how those would look and what adjustments we would have to involve in putting those into character creation. So obviously it's going to be some time before we can actually implement them as a race, but we are working and we are making progress [...]". From this, I only took that they were looking at an overall design rather than 2 faces. But I seem to be the only one who thought that.

You can look for yourself:
They talk about them at this time: 4:11:10
Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2TWmsce_eg

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

If they do that, they're going to get a TON of complaints, anger, and rage from the Hrothgar community, along with anybody else who wanted them to look similar to the males. I'd personally break my rule of "don't harass the devs" for this one.

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Are they though? I'm fine with that as long as they look tall, regal and super lean.

'Some may think, “Won’t only a few people play as female Hrothgar?” but my concerns aren’t really about whether female Hrothgar will become as popular as other races.'

This quote indicates the idea of Miqo'te 2.0 has been given the boot. Thank GOD

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

'Some may think, “Won’t only a few people play as female Hrothgar?” but my concerns aren’t really about whether female Hrothgar will become as popular as other races.'

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And besides, how could anyone know that fem Viera would be super-popular before they knew what they would look like?
Later:

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

Tall, lean, skimpily dressed rabbit girls. Gee, I wonder lol..

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What part of "before they knew what they would look like?" did you not understand?

Tall, lean, skimpily dressed rabbit girls. Gee, I wonder lol..

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

What part of "before they knew what they would look like?" did you not understand?

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Viera have had enough of a presence in the series that people probably knew what to expect, and if not then the Ivalice Alliance Raid series had Fran for a hint. Ronso have only been in one game, by comparison, and there was no NPC teaser in their case. Like, yeah, both of them ended up not entirely like their previous appearances, but I'd say Viera are pretty close, barring the devs sanding off their more inhuman features because of course they would...