I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

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Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada

Your never going to convince me that hitting 1-2-3 to do damage between heals is somehow more fun that 1-1-1. What makes dps fun is how it synergizes with the entire kit. Only way to do that with healer is by basically turning them into a full dps with some side healing skills. Either just get rid of healers all together or actually make healing fun. Right now only using 1 healing skill every 15-20 sec is shitty. Fights should be designed where you should have to use 2 out of every 3 gcd's to heal. Right now if you use a GCD to heal your looked at as having misplayed. People are trying to fix the wrong part and it's going to make the role feel even worse smh.

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The problem is that the devs haven't shown any inclination to actually ramp up the frequency of incoming damage to an extent that warrants more use of GCD healing.

It's just heavier mitigation checks if anything most of the time.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

The problem is that the devs haven't shown any inclination to actually ramp up the frequency of incoming damage to an extent that warrants more use of GCD healing.

It's just heavier mitigation checks if anything most of the time.

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And that's what I would like to change. The change wont happen though if healers are complaining about damage rotations instead of wanting to make healing more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada

And that's what I would like to change. The change wont happen though if healers are complaining about damage rotations instead of wanting to make healing more interesting.

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Know what be cool? Intead of single target raise, a raise be cast in 2 players at same time.

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Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada

Your never going to convince me that hitting 1-2-3 to do damage between heals is somehow more fun that 1-1-1. What makes dps fun is how it synergizes with the entire kit. Only way to do that with healer is by basically turning them into a full dps with some side healing skills. Either just get rid of healers all together or actually make healing fun. Right now only using 1 healing skill every 15-20 sec is shitty. Fights should be designed where you should have to use 2 out of every 3 gcd's to heal. Right now if you use a GCD to heal your looked at as having misplayed. People are trying to fix the wrong part and it's going to make the role feel even worse smh.

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You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You are strawmanning again

None of us want 1-2-3’s on healers we basically want what SCH was in HW, it was more complex on the DPS front than current healers but also still spent war more time healing than you do now, in 3.0 you had 2 functional mitigations and one of them was succor, we all want more choice and punishment with our heals

Shouldn’t you know that considering you said you read all pages of this thread before commenting

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I'm not strawmanning, I'm being logical. People are asking that they not have to hit 1 button over and over to do damage because it is boring. Either you add new gcd damage skills, probably not more than 2 because they wont introduce that many new skills period. So either your spamming 1 skill and mixing in a couple more buttons rarely or you are 1-2-3 your way to victory. Since the main complaint has been boredom, one would assume you want the 1-2-3. Adding dots or oGCDs doesn't fix the boredom issue, and to be fair neither does 1-2-3

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Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada

And that's what I would like to change. The change wont happen though if healers are complaining about damage rotations instead of wanting to make healing more interesting.

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Because we know what is making healing uninteresting and square refuses to do anything but double triple and quadruple down on it

The problem is the massive bloat of oGCD’s and the low encounter damage, what did square do in the expansion after these concerns first came to light - gave us 2 more oGCD’s and further reduced damage in favour of mitigation

We discuss this as well, like 2 pages ago I argued indom should be nerfed or removed so that SCH should be forced to rely more on succor, this is part of our discussion, it doesn’t start and end at the title of this thread

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Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada

I'm not strawmanning, I'm being logical. People are asking that they not have to hit 1 button over and over to do damage because it is boring. Either you add new gcd damage skills, probably not more than 2 because they wont introduce that many new skills period. So either your spamming 1 skill and mixing in a couple more buttons rarely or you are 1-2-3 your way to victory. Since the main complaint has been boredom, one would assume you want the 1-2-3. Adding dots or oGCDs doesn't fix the boredom issue, and to be fair neither does 1-2-3

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Again look at HW SCH

but regardless if you had your nuke, a DOT, the current oGCD’s you have then another GCD that has a short CD (say 10 seconds) that can potentially proc an oGCD you get 3 charges of you can store that would be plenty for the job, because again we are also in favour of spending less total time pressing a DPS button because we like skills like dissipation and ED that force a choice and make you spend more time potentially GCD healing

It still feels like you just read the title and believe that’s the totality of 85 pages of discussion

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

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If that's how you feel then feel free to not comment or read my posts. I'm not forcing you to agree with me, nor do I appreciate the shitty comments

Honestly it’s like reading through a chatGPT generated response.

On the topic on hand though… there are already several suggestions within this thread alone. Many more littered elsewhere (a lot more in the dreaded healer subforum). But here’s one of the most recent one that ForsakenRoe laid out not any longer than 10 days ago: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6403946

Geez people… read lol. No wonder to this day people still don’t know Zoe boosts Pneuma/Krasis is OP when used on conjunction with Haima/thinking Recitation is only for spreadlo :p

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Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada

If that's how you feel then feel free to not comment or read my posts. I'm not forcing you to agree with me, nor do I appreciate the shitty comments

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And I don't appreciate the same terrible argument from someone who make a negative amount of effort to understand the stance they are arguing against, makes a mockery of that argument by reducing it to "a 1-2-3 combo isn't going to help" which is the most inaccurate, out-of-touch perspective you can possibly have on what players like I and others have discussed, and parades that disillusioned stance as "logical."

If you want to have an actual discussion, try doing an ounce of research into who you're arguing with.

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Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada

Your never going to convince me that hitting 1-2-3 to do damage between heals is somehow more fun that 1-1-1. What makes dps fun is how it synergizes with the entire kit. Only way to do that with healer is by basically turning them into a full dps with some side healing skills. Either just get rid of healers all together or actually make healing fun. Right now only using 1 healing skill every 15-20 sec is shitty. Fights should be designed where you should have to use 2 out of every 3 gcd's to heal. Right now if you use a GCD to heal your looked at as having misplayed. People are trying to fix the wrong part and it's going to make the role feel even worse smh.

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You're not alone , i think we should have way higher healing requirements too ^o^

Healers in FFXIV spend 80% of their time dpsing and 20% healing.

Apparently this is peak gameplay design by the so called ffxiv forum/reddit "healer" community..
Since they don't complain about this .. they just complain about lack of dps rota, more dps abilties.. ect
(Read one and you have read them all)