#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by george357

well they can't keep necrobumping this dead horse forever.

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Not sure how a thread which has been so active that it has never dropped off the first page can be construed as being necro-bumped. Anyways, thanks for your +1.

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

It'd be nice to max out a thread about how bad healers are right now... but you know.... 2 would be even better lol

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Goddess, that would be awesome. I want this issue to be so continuously "hot" that the devs have no choice but to address it. It's not like healers are asking for the Sun, Moon, and Stars. We just want our game play engaging and our contribution to the success of the party to be equal to the contribution of the other two roles.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

I mean it in the sense where our healing kit is quite good... But almost useless because the situation when you can fully use it are not legion.

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I wouldn't really call the healing kits good..
Maybe blaoted, homogenized, wasted,

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Originally Posted by Lorika

And then what?
We will be turned into a bad secondary DPS with heal potential?

That's not good, not good at all. there is no point in doing that.We will be even more irrevelant because we will be replaced by DPS in that case.

They need to rework the whole Tank-Healer relationship. They need to make DPS less sturdy and make their emergancy healing, real emergency healing and not almost self-sustain.

Wanting WHM DPS skills backs is one things that they could do.... But in case of SCH what will they do? They clearly don't want DoT anymore in this game (crappy SMN rework being a very blatant proof)....

Havig more DPS skills with the actual system will achieve nothing, in fact it will make things just worse.

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And you're missing the point that WE CAN HAVE BOTH AND WE'RE ASKING FOR BOTH.

Do explain to me how you attempt to fix the issue that we have with boring down time - time spent not healing - that is filled with pressing 1 dps button and refreshing a DoT for most of it.

WoW has more intensive healing requirements and still more dps options than FFXIV healers do. If they can do both, we can have both.

@ Kes13a

It's actually an understandable habit for the HoTs to be timed just when the tank has all the enemy enmity / aggro established. I think in WoW, placing HoTs up just when a tank is pulling was usually asking to make the enemies turn to you instead as you described. FF14's old days used to punish it more heavily by multiplying the enmity of overhealing by maybe 5 - 8 times. So a person spamming Cure 2 on a tank at full health could theoretically yank enemy aggro off. The Lucid Dreaming MP regen used to cut all our enmity in half since there was always going to be a little overhealing when we do things right too.

Nowadays for FF14, it is as Rein said. Only buff enmity is generated right when you apply the HoT. The rest of the HoT enmity and overhealing multipliers are gone last I checked. You just need to make sure the HoT is applied before the initial pull or after the tank has hit everything with one AoE now.

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

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Originally Posted by Lorika

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At the end of the day, both aspects are in need to rectifying. There is not single magic fix that will right all issues healer role have. We can't really single out 1 issue without talking about another.

More redundant healing kits means there's bound to be more unused buttons so long they keep giving us more healing buttons.
More sustenance given to non healers means there's bound to be less healing required from actual healers.
Both of the aforementioned leads to more downtime for healers of which they have nothing else to fill but their 1 button spam because they're not allowed to have utilities/buff/etc especially if you're a WHM lol - this leads to boredom.
And so on...

All.of.these.needs.more.attention. No exception.

*whistle* Blatant overexagerared bait always work like a cham to make a thread lively:cool:

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Originally Posted by Tigore

@ Kes13a

It's actually an understandable habit for the HoTs to be timed just when the tank has all the enemy enmity / aggro established. I think in WoW, placing HoTs up just when a tank is pulling was usually asking to make the enemies turn to you instead as you described. FF14's old days used to punish it more heavily by multiplying the enmity of overhealing by maybe 5 - 8 times. So a person spamming Cure 2 on a tank at full health could theoretically yank enemy aggro off. The Lucid Dreaming MP regen used to cut all our enmity in half since there was always going to be a little overhealing when we do things right too.

Nowadays for FF14, it is as Rein said. Only buff enmity is generated right when you apply the HoT. The rest of the HoT enmity and overhealing multipliers are gone last I checked. You just need to make sure the HoT is applied before the initial pull or after the tank has hit everything with one AoE now.

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shame that they removed that. I mean, it was great for learning when NOT to do something, but I guess people must have been too stressed out by getting aggro. *shrugs*

now I know, I will change things a bit, but in case I ever go back to WoW, where I learned all that lol, probably will never lose it. was very useful if you didnt want a lot of angry new friends

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Originally Posted by george357

well they can't keep necrobumping this dead horse forever.

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thanks for bumping it yourself, but you may need to refresh yourself on what the term actually means. furthest back I have seen this thread is page 2... and never more than a couple hours since the last post. necro it isnt.

M4S cleanerd without healers. Peak healer design!

Yeah, I don't really understand why they decided to remove enmity from overhealing HoTs, anyone doing their job properly had no issue with it. I don't mind overmuch if we get more dps options, it's not my priority since my bars are full as is, I want normal content that needs me to heal first and foremost, more dps/options is a secondary concern.