Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So basically we should all just shove it and look for a new game....great attitude lol
So we just shouldn't get Hrothgar Females that look like sensible Female Counterparts to the males, they should be adorable and humanlike just cause 'popular'
Please SE do the right thing....cater to and give your Hrothgar Players what they want, and not do some lazy BS For 'Popularity'
If you really cared about that, you wouldn't have made Hrothgar in the 1st place. If you make a Beastrace, then make a Beastrace.

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10000% this. Please SE!

I want this just hope they aren't another Miqote.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Please SE do the right thing....cater to and give your Hrothgar Players what they want.

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I call BS. I already have a character I plan to Fantasia into a fem Hrothgar when they become available (if they are nice), but I have no interest in having a male Hrothgar character.*
I see no reason my desires for what fem Hrothgar should be should count any less than those of people who already play male Hrothgar.

*or male characters generally, as only one of my 12 alts is male, and that alt is a lala so what's the difference?

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

I call BS. I already have a character I plan to Fantasia into a fem Hrothgar when they become available (if they are nice), but I have no interest in having a male Hrothgar character.*
I see no reason my desires for what fem Hrothgar should be should count any less than those of people who already play male Hrothgar.

*or male characters generally, as only one of my 12 alts is male, and that alt is a lala so what's the difference?

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A lala isnt a Hrothgar...thats the difference XD
Whatever you want and desire for Female Hrothgar doesnt matter any less or more then my desires, or other peoples desires. As I have to keep telling Reivaxe, its a Personal Opinion.
Next Year or so...we will see what the Devs decide on.

But deep down...I hope its what I want....bit overall I just hope they look good.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I didn't say YOU said anything about Dulia-Chai. "Animal headed Dulia-Chai" is what pops into MY head when someone claims "They're gonna be niche anyway!" as an excuse for why they should be beefed out brick houses. I assume you approve of those Korean Hrothgals given your praise of them and the long fight you had with someone who pointed out that they basically look like the dudes-but-with-boobs. If you like that, that's cool. You can like what you like, I'm not the "like" police.

But thinking that "The race will be niche anyway/ they're not TRYING to make them popular anyway!" is a good reason to make them look objectively "ultra unpopular by conventional standards" by tripling down on the traits that make Femroe the least played thing in this game by a mile and a half? Yeah, nah ... why not have them be Dulia-Chais with animal faces then? I mean, I can't even point to an obese female PC race in an MMO so I can't even say I know for sure what would happen. Perhaps there's tons of people who can't wait to be an obese cat woman, spinning around on a dragoon pole in the middle of LL?

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Ok then, i'll answer back to your whole "shove it and look for a new game." attitude : "shut it and just stay a catgirl"

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

I call BS. I already have a character I plan to Fantasia into a fem Hrothgar when they become available (if they are nice), but I have no interest in having a male Hrothgar character.*
I see no reason my desires for what fem Hrothgar should be should count any less than those of people who already play male Hrothgar.[/SIZE]

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You're right! It shouldn't! If you want to play female Hrothgar, you have every right to present feedback to the devs about how you hope it ends up and what features you wish it had.
Us being male Hrothgars shouldn't really have any impact on that, now should it?
Except... there is one thing.

We, more than any of you, know how this race is treated. Not just by the devs, but by the community itself. We know first-hand how the experience of being a Hrothgar is like. There may be some influence caused by our gender, but the overall sentiment remains: we know what the race is like. Female Hrothgar are being designed to be our counterparts. We do have at least that much to stand on: if they're to be our counterparts, and not that of some Au Ra, then it stands to reason that we also have a say in the discussion.

So yes. Male Hrothgar do have a foot in the discussion, extra to that of other races. Simply because we know how the race feels like to play, how people react to it and how the game treats them.

And this may be a sentiment you share with me here, but I'm stating it in the context of "I play this race. I know what you'd be getting into if WE male Hrothgar didn't have priority in being heard when it comes to designing our counterpart": but I don't want Female Hrothgar to have to suffer the same bull that we had to go through. I don't want players who invest into their Female Hrothgar to have to struggle with hairstyles. To have to struggle with no representation. To have to struggle with deaf devs. And to deal with the community who not only justifies all that, but also doubles down by being grossly insulting toward us.

As a Male Hrothgar, I don't want that for our counterpart. I don't wish that on any race, but the fact that it happens so casually to us makes me dread how females will be implemented and received. Because players like you, who want to play female Hrothgar, don't deserve to be dealt a foul hand even before it's in the game. More than what any other race would wish on you. Because to, say, an Elezen, it's "unfortunate" that you'd be in such a position. For us males? It's a repeat of 3 years of constant waiting, patience and disappointment at almost every turn. And whatever happens to you as a female Hrothgar has the dangerous chance of being reflected upon us males, just as much as how I don't want what's happening to us to be reflected onto you.

And if safeguarding our lore, if making sure the design fits us males and doesn't look out of place so that the race remains consistently palatable is too much for you, then I'm sorry. But we don't want criticism to bleed over to us males, and we don't want you to deal with criticism on awkward design. Not on top of what you're already going to face. Not on top of what you would had males not brought the attention to the problems of this race as a whole, and warn Square that the issues males have cannot bounce onto females who are currently being designed, because now is the time to give them a word of caution.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

And I quote: "while Hrothgar are still low on the total, they outnumber other races."
pictured: total hroths vs total M viera, EW hroths vs EW F Elezen/M Roe

I did not mention any 2%'s because I still don't know where 2% came from outside seeing it posted here on the forums. Was it from Lucky Bancho? A Famitsu or Reddit poll? Official forums shitposting that became accepted as fact? Who knows. I have also not mentioned any population of being deserving/non deserving of anything solely due to population size, because using that a metric of what we get would end in F miqo'te/au ra exclusive everything. But picking 2 charts and pointing at aspects that suit "outnumbering" in and only in said aspects is quite literally cherry picking.

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Firstly. You not knowing about the "3/2%" argument is none of my concern. It's a thing that got touted around after April Fool's. It was prevalent in Hrothgar-aimed forums. Whether you were active in them enough to know or not is up to you, but you can verify it for yourself in the three major Hrothgar threads created since 6.1's LL. It's part of how Hrothgars have been treated until now, so when we talk about it, at least now you know. This being a Hrothgar thread, you'd do well to be informed of what happened to our race and why discourse around it usually takes specific turns before pitching in. A lot of the ideas people think we haven't considered have actually already been beaten to the dirt. Do your research, educate yourself.

Secondly. I reiterated the purpose of the image. It was to simply show a singular truth. Hrothgars do not have the lowest number among other choices. Other choices have had better content designed for them. When Hrothgars ASKED for such quality, they were told that they were at the bottom and couldn't get any.

It was to remind everyone that "you are 2% of the playerbase" is no argument. Not only do Hrothgar outnumber Male Viera in total, but at endgame they outnumber a type of Elezen and both types of Roegadyn separately. And that claiming "oh you're just 2%" is disingenuous. You don't tell female Elezen nor any form of Roegadyn "your option amounts to only X percent of the playerbase at endgame, thus you cannot have quality in the stuff made for you", do you?

That was the sentiment I was referring to, that was the sentiment Reivaxe was referring to.

Hrothgars are outnumbered by Roegadyn and Viera themselves collectively. Your image does not add anything whatsoever. You are misunderstanding the purpose my image is meant to serve and saying I'm twisting stuff to fit a narrative. But what narrative would I be trying to twist? What do you think I'm "hiding"?
It's like "is this orange larger than any in the bowl?" -> "Yes, it's larger than THIS one". And you come over saying "You're ignoring all the other oranges in the bowl!"...

Lastly?
I'm not basing my argument on omission. That data does not factor in. I'm fooling no one by showing this. I'm not saying "Hrothgar outnumber Male Viera, so they're higher than Viera or every other race". How is this cherrypicking? Please define it for me. Before you call me dishonest.

Is it because I cropped the image? If so, know it was to make it compact and easier to read. Stretched out images tend to be too small to read, and the graph is LARGE. And I didn't "hide" anything important to what I was proving. Had I included it, it would have changed absolutely nothing. Again, read the orange analogy.

*Pokes head in*

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Pretty sure the female Hrothgar will have modified female Roe bodies. Or at least bodies somewhat similar to female Hrothgar in terms of height and muscular build.

The Bozja cutscene showing the wall painting or whatever of the female Hrothgar and the one female Roe just make me think that. So I'd don't think they'll turn out super cute furry waifus, but just noticeably very amazon warrior-like. Being both beautiful and visually imposing at the same time.

So, while they'll more than likely turn out prettier than their male counterparts, they probably won't be any less intimidating in their own way. Though that's just my own opinion. Carry on!

*Runs and hides before the masses start fighting again*

Still hoping for something akin to best girl Khamira.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/33...7e9b465426.jpg

i find male hrothgar to be rather anime-cartoony in their appearance, so i'm kinda all for female hrothgar to be anime cartoony as well.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

*Runs and hides before the masses start fighting again*

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:P dw. My first post was to show that you can't just dismiss Hrothgar back to the back like everyone else and explain the reason.
My second post was to, once again, reiterate to someone the purpose of an image I posted. For which I got called dishonest.

If anyone chooses to reply and seek a fight, I really won't bother. My point was made, it's up to them to agree or disagree. If people insist on saying I'm dishonest, then I'm sorry, I can't make my points any clearer. If I am to be dishonest, so be it.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Pretty sure the female Hrothgar will have modified female Roe bodies. Or at least bodies somewhat similar to female Hrothgar in terms of height and muscular build.

The Bozja cutscene showing the wall painting or whatever of the female Hrothgar and the one female Roe just make me think that. So I'd don't think they'll turn out super cute furry waifus, but just noticeably very amazon warrior-like. Being both beautiful and visually imposing at the same time.

So, while they'll more than likely turn out prettier than their male counterparts, they probably won't be any less intimidating in their own way. Though that's just my own opinion. Carry on!

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tbh this is what we assume will happen, it's just that not everyone is on board with that. Your opinion is valid, and you are not alone in feeling that way.

Don't be discouraged. I'm just verbose >: )
though people would call it "ranting" :^)

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Originally Posted by Soge01

*Runs and hides before the masses start fighting again*

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This isnt even a fight this is Official Forum:tm:ing.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

2%

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Again, what is the source of this fabled flat 2%? Im digging through the old hair complaint threads again and have seen it repeated several times with no source so I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that its a Just Trust Me Bro number that was repeated often enough to get accepted as true. Hell, even your old posts are quoting people who pulled 2% out of nowhere and you just ran with the number. edit: I found the 2%! Its from a famitsu poll. Its smaller than the current pop so hey, we climbed a smidge.

I posted in those hrothgar threads because A. I have a hrothgar (gasp) and B. people in the GD like to fling could've/should've/would'ves without knowing how XIV's models work. So I attempted to explain. Several times. Because that is a thing I've checked for myself. The majority of the megathread sorted into sympathetic non hroths and understandably miffed hroths. Skimming through the pages few (really, I think there were maybe a handful of sarcastic bait posts and then one regular poster who likes to be contrarian about everything I caught) people pushed back against the idea that hroths deserved better than the earless hairs, so I'm not sure why we're pretending that number was weaponized.


And to steer this thread back on track:

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Still hoping for something akin to best girl Khamira.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/33...7e9b465426.jpg

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Same. The snoot is a charm point.

Who here is willing to bet that the Female Hrothgar are going to be exactly like those Beast Women in Outlaw Star?

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Who here is willing to bet that the Female Hrothgar are going to be exactly like those Beast Women in Outlaw Star?

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https://c.tenor.com/U1-z66LyAEwAAAAM...your-mouth.gif

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Who here is willing to bet that the Female Hrothgar are going to be exactly like those Beast Women in Outlaw Star?

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I hope not. I hope that they will try making a good and sensible design for the male counterparts.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I assume you approve of those Korean Hrothgals given your praise of them

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That then sounds like you problem XD. When I think they don't need to be popular I think that they could push the design to make them cool. How about you try some optimism from time to time?

Yes, I would LOVE for them to look like that! That art is beautiful and a depiction of what I would want.

And in that argument I wasn't wrong, they said that the picture I showed was just male but with boobs, I along with other people corrected them on the simple basis that you can see which one is the male and which one is the female, without the need of putting them in a bikini. Unlike your argument when you got defensive at people for not liking your uncanny valley art, or for calling the art a rat person instead. Look in the mirror, the irony is showing.

And this is not for this, but the other post of "if anyone's interested in animal people, I'd suggest waiting to see wtf Riot games MMO does.", cut the arrogance. Just cause you don't like them to be more beastly that is not a reason to tell people that they should just leave. This is telling a person that they are not allowed to enjoy a race and the game at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Who here is willing to bet that the Female Hrothgar are going to be exactly like those Beast Women in Outlaw Star?

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As much as I liked Outlaw Star and Ctarl-Ctarls, I hope not.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Who here is willing to bet that the Female Hrothgar are going to be exactly like those Beast Women in Outlaw Star?

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https://c.tenor.com/zBRsL2hySpAAAAAC/ricky-bobby.gif

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Originally Posted by Rokke

This isnt even a fight this is Official Forum:tm:ing.

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It's used by people to shut down Hrothgar feedback in the forums. Whether it started here or not is 100% irrelevant. So... great that you know where it started. You asking about it shows you're ignorant as to Hrothgar-centric discourse here.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I posted in those hrothgar threads because A. I have a hrothgar (gasp)

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Not shocking at all. Pip-Chick mains a Hrothgar and uses an alt as an avatar here. You may have a Hrothgar alt and that's valid. It's just that, again, if you haven't seen people raise the 3/2% argument, it's because you weren't paying enough attention. Ask anyone else: it's a thing touted by a lot of people. Especially Hyurs.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

and B. people in the GD like to fling (...) so I'm not sure why we're pretending that number was weaponized.

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Because the number was brought as the reason why Hrothgars shouldn't be given anything too major with proper quality.

You ignored several times the reason why I posted the image. Acknowledge it. Otherwise, sorry, but you're calling me dishonest and accusing me of cherrypicking for absolutely zero reason. You have been proven wrong, you at no point owned up to your misunderstanding. By focusing on this statistic and saying "well, I didn't see it, and I don't value the posts where people would use it" is, on the other hand, what I find cherrypicking simply because you want to end up sounding correct.

You are not correct. And I'm not challenging whether the statistic started here or not. But ask anyone: it has been used as an argument, a really shitty argument. Multiple times. If you have a Hrothgar and you don't know this, then you weren't invested enough to know. All this is you distracting people from the real point of why we're having this conversation. A thing you haven't admitted to whatsoever:

You did not acknowledge that I wasn't hiding anything valuable to the point that was being proven.


Whether you agree the point exists to begin with or not is up to you. If I and Reivaxe felt like it was enough to discuss it and post information on it, then that's on us. At no point were I nor Reivaxe dishonest in doing so. Don't accuse me of lying without acknowledging this much. I have plenty of flaws, I won't deny that. But you just keep digging holes and going in roundabout information without ever getting to the core reason this started in the first place.

Edit: Look, if this is what I get for posting one harmless picture and trying to defend this race from people who have actively been seeking to undermine discourse and feedback from, then I give up. Y'all are on your own now. You want to deal with people dissecting every single thing you've done out of sheer pettiness, go ahead guys. Be my guest. I'm done. I'm not here to deal with people this stubborn that they refuse to admit that they were jumping the gun and calling people liars. You may have your grievances with me all you want, but I'd rather have this race come out just fine and future content about it be done without hitches. And if you guys want to do that, go ahead and do it, be ready for people like this.
I'm done.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

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Bahahahahahah

I say this because its clear the Devs want sexy females with a human-like look.

We will NEVER see something more beast-like unless its Male. :P

On the one hand, it's highly plausible, since Japan is VERY fond on that stupid "monster male, sexy kemonomimi female" trope, I think they're even the ones who invented it?

On the other hand, these are also the same people going out of their way to make crossdressing in game possible, and created the first iteration of male Viera.

If they already broke the status quo before, they can do so again.... that said, given how male Hroths have been treated, I don't really have my hopes up anymore, if I'm being honest - I'd like to be proven wrong though.

Ill keep believing until the end.

what are people arguing about? that female hrothgar shouldnt exist due to male hrothgar being "unpopular"?

even if it were true, there are a decent number of people playing them, and they deserve the same quality as the rest of us. besides, depending on how they design female hrothgar, i bet it will attract all sorts of people.

signed with a shoutout to highlander girls coz some of them have also been fierce af right alongside femroes

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

That female hrothgar shouldnt exist due to male hrothgar being "unpopular"?

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I don't understand the whole "they shouldn't be in XIV" because it's already confirmed they're coming whether people like it or not.

I have always preached this, but the Female Hrothgar should be just as beast-like as their counterpart. We have many overly attractive races, short races and cutesy UWU races etc... The only people who haven't been catered to are those who wish to play a beast-like female race, they are the missing piece of this MMO puzzle.

Any news about Fem Hroth developement? Guessing not, but it can't hurt to ask.
Last thing I found was Yoshi P confirming they were thinking about two designs currently, back in February during a Live Letter.
Anyone who paid attention to Male Viera, can you provide a timeframe on when to start expecting new information? Were Male Vieras announced during 5.4 Live Letter, if I'm remembering correctly?

Male Viera was announced just before 5.5 at the Digital Fanfest.

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Originally Posted by LinaAkayomi

Any news about Fem Hroth developement? Guessing not, but it can't hurt to ask.
Last thing I found was Yoshi P confirming they were thinking about two designs currently, back in February during a Live Letter.
Anyone who paid attention to Male Viera, can you provide a timeframe on when to start expecting new information? Were Male Vieras announced during 5.4 Live Letter, if I'm remembering correctly?

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Male Viera were dropped as a surprise during the first Endwalker showcase, and after the teaser was shown, they mentioned that female Hrothgar will also get added in the future. As of now, it's unclear if they intend for it to come out during EW or with 7.0, though I would lean toward 7.0 to anticipate them. I would wager that info on female Hrothgar will be announced during whichever live letter details information about the upcoming patch. For example, if they are added in 6.4, it would probably be the live letter that comes out a few weeks prior, though if it is in fact occuring during the 7.0 release, then you can probably expect the teaser during the first 7.0 Showcase.

Not sure how they did with Yugiri and Au Ra, but if it's like with Fran and Viera, we'll likely get a Hrothgal npc somewhere between 6.4 and 6.5

I still like to headcanon since Hroths are a new race to Eorzea, only the males were sent ahead to survey the land, then when the females come they're like "men, you had one job!"

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Not sure how they did with Yugiri and Au Ra, but if it's like with Fran and Viera, we'll likely get a Hrothgal npc somewhere between 6.4 and 6.5

I still like to headcanon since Hroths are a new race to Eorzea, only the males were sent ahead to survey the land, then when the females come they're like "men, you had one job!"

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Well I think this is more of a special case. Originally as of the launch of Shadowbringers, male viera and female hrothgar were not going to be added to the game because additional races and genders create exponential effort, effort that adds work to every new set of gear, emote, job animation, etc. It was the community outcry for male viera and female hrothgar that convinced them to make it a reality, and we didn't have an NPC to promote the release of male viera as it was dropped as a surprise. That said, we do know that female hrothgar are planned already, so it's unclear how they'll approach the eventual release.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

That said, we do know that female hrothgar are planned already, so it's unclear how they'll approach the eventual release.

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I hope people at least understand why this thread is kept up.

It's not that anyone's asking for female viera or not. That ship's sailed. But given the wonderful level of attention and quality Square Enix has offered Hrothgar in recent times, we're a little skeptical about how they'll proceed with the race.

It's par for the course, but we don't have any real design from them yet. Best we got is a mural, and that likely will only display one possible face, not four. And some people wish said mural were allegorical rather than an accurate representation (a feeling on which your milleage will definitely vary). At worst we have their FF10 design for female Ronso, but that's no guarantee either; you can't make Kimahri in the game. You can make an approximation, but it's nowhere near similar. They don't even have the same hairstyle. We've had similar with male Viera, after all; we didn't see any design until it was already finished. The same will happen with Female Hrothgar.

But the dev team should at least consult its playerbase before making a decision.

Not to bring down creative freedom, you do you, but there's valuable insight into asking what people want rather than just diving yourselves in. Especially when recent events proved that Square sounds rather unwilling to listen to Hrothgar feedback without rolling their eyes half a dozen times before begrudgingly acquiescing, but also how much of a disconnect there is between them and their playerbase.

Considering how alien this race is in comparison to every other, having some designs to show and have fans discuss on them wouldn't be half bad. But we know they'll never do this, hence why it's important to at least warn them that fan expectations are a thing they need to take into consideration.

After all...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...58/unknown.png
...they listen to their fans, right?

My hope for them is that their design will be just as beastly as the males. With a little bit of luck, we might see something in 6.4, but I wouldn't hold my hopes up to that. A large majority of people made the excellent point that they might come in 7.0 since that is how new races/genders are introduced since it's a big selling point for the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

My hope for them is that their design will be just as beastly as the males. With a little bit of luck, we might see something in 6.4, but I wouldn't hold my hopes up to that. A large majority of people made the excellent point that they might come in 7.0 since that is how new races/genders are introduced since it's a big selling point for the expansion.

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They dont need Female Hrothgar to sell 7.0.
But, it does make more sense to give the dev time as much as possible to get it right and done at the best possible Quality.

Heres to hoping, Once I see that Reveal and IF they come out good.....Im immediately buying that Fantasia
Hope I get to become a cool Badass Lion/Big Cat Woman Warrior

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Heres to hoping, Once I see that Reveal and IF they come out good.....Im immediately buying that Fantasia
Hope I get to become a cool Badass Lion/Big Cat Woman Warrior

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Same! My friend, same!

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Heres to hoping, Once I see that Reveal and IF they come out good.....Im immediately buying that Fantasia
Hope I get to become a cool Badass Lion/Big Cat Woman Warrior

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Same! My friend, same!

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See, this is what I want people to experience. For them to play the game they want to play with the race that they want to play. A race that is being given to them, no matter whether people agree with it or not (I definitely have choice words against Hyurs being in the game, after all :P /s). But I'd rather them experiencing the race to its fullest, with quality and care. Just like everyone else does. Without anyone telling them they can't.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

They dont need Female Hrothgar to sell 7.0.
But, it does make more sense to give the dev time as much as possible to get it right and done at the best possible Quality.

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If they're thinking Female Hrothgar will\has to sell 7.0, then they're dumber than they look.

But I doubt they're expecting it. It's clear that they're doing it out of fan outcry, and if so, then so be it. I don't think that alone will sabotage quality. What will sabotage it is them being laissez-faire about the subject. What will sabotage it is them assuming they can do the same to Female Hrothgar as they did to Male Viera: release them with as many limitations as their male counterpart. What will sabotage them is them not paying attention to the playerbase that intends to interact with their content, rather than the ones who never even tried the race out. Or worse, making up assumptions based on feedback that isn't theirs.

Though I will say this. Just for the record.

If there's a future deference to this thread due to the release of Female Hrothgar in 7.0 with limitations and very questionable design choices, then here's the thing for those of you reading this:
We, at this time, are fully aware and comprehend the work that must be done to undertake this, as well as vaguely understand the work required to do everything else they've already planned from 6.2 onward.
However, Female Viera have been planned for a long while now.
It is within their scope. They use Agile Development. It's specifically made so that they can adjust their production and better divide their time for future\unforeseen circumstances. And the fact that this is planned in advanced makes it clear it is not unforeseen.
If there are any problems with Female Hrothgar, then I want you all to know that they had time and they had resources. They simply chose to do what they did two years ago, when Male Viera came out.
We gave them feedback, we debated for months now about potential issues, processes they have to go through and possible solutions. We gave them an overall opinion of what some fans want vs others so that they could be more confident in their design. I just pray it's taken seriously.

Also to note, at least here in this thread, the Hrothgar Fanbase: the ones who Play and Care about the Hrothgar, have been pretty darn consistent and mostly agree with what is wanted for Female Hrothgar. If the Devs might have been looking for feedback, we over here in the English Forums Pretty much know what we want and expect out of the Female Counterpart.
There has also been Plenty of Fantastic Fanart and Renders of how the Females could/Should look

The same Crap has been repeated here for over 2 years of how we'd like for them to look.
We've been (mostly) Consistent.
Please SE, show you will be Consistent as well: If you make a Beast Race, Then Make a Beast Race.

Agreed all over.
However They come out.
I'll see how I make my 4th Alt. Depending on how she comes out.
[since I didn't make a Male Hroth, I can't say I know the specific pains Viera, and Hroth have faced, but I can definitely get a sliver of the feeling]
<also seems people have adjusted to a name for them so far.., unlike with Female roegadyns stuck in between (Fem)Roe(gadame)>

...daft question. The answer is likely no. But I'd like to ask what you guys think of it regardless.

Do you think that when they include and properly introduce Female Hrothgar, given that Misija Votyasch is a Hrothgar name and not a Roegadyn name, they will retcon Misija and her ancestor Queen Gunnhildr into Female Hrothgar models?

They had no such design in store back when they made them. And we know from the NPCs within Gangos itself that Hyurs and Roegadyn retain their traditional nomenclature. It doesn't make them any less Bozjan. So why would Misija be so jarring and be a clear inconsistent aspect of their story? It shouldn't be much different to program a different model for Misija and the Queen. It's no different than what they do for us; how do you think animations stay the same in cutscenes regardless of whether we're Roegadyn, Au Ra, Lalafell or Viera?

No offence to Roegadyn in general either. It's just that it's too jarring to have a character with a clearly Hrothgar name, with such an importance to our lore, be portrayed as a Female Roegadyn simply out of what we assume to be a lack of models at the time she was released. Who knows, maybe even you Roegadyn players would enjoy not having yet another display of villainy from your race... Memorable displays of heroism among Roegadyn seems to be limited to a dead character in one patch and Gosetsu.

I know it's a long shot. But they've gone back and edited old content because fans asked for it. Hence why I ask. To me, it appears rather jarring and I'd hope they changed Bozja's cutscene models to better reflect the race being portrayed. But what do you guys think?

Im going to say No...
Unless they also add a brand new incentive to even go back into Bozja, then nobody besides MAYBE new people will see the change; IF they even did it.

It would be neat honestly, but I doubt they would rewrite and remake Bozja for this change, or even address it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Please SE, show you will be Consistent as well: If you make a Beast Race, Then Make a Beast Race.

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Preach! Please SE give us Beast females, fit to be the counterparts for the males! Please!