Please stop putting the Crystalline Conflict Glamour Coffer at Rank 25

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

People keep saying this, but it's honestly irrelevant. Per YoshiP, you know, the guy who directs the game, players should feel free to take breaks. If he is true to that, he should remove the series malmstone system and redirect it to high cost wolf marks or collars.

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You're more than free to take breaks, and if you lose out on pvp glamour because of said breaks than that's on you. There's still a whopping4 months in between patches and if you can't be bothered to play then they must not had really wanted it.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

People keep saying this, but it's honestly irrelevant. Per YoshiP, you know, the guy who directs the game, players should feel free to take breaks. If he is true to that, he should remove the series malmstone system and redirect it to high cost wolf marks or collars.

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Just to point out, at no point have they said the rewards are available for a limited time. So, they could be released in the future for, what would most likely be, Trophy Crystals. So, saying you have a limited time to get them has no basis in fact, just the same as the claim that they are limited. This is still currently a grey area and until someone says something official, it will remain this way.

There was even a slide when they were first introducing all this that explicitly stated that the rewards will eventually be purchasable:

https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/up...asy-XIV-43.jpg

It should be obvious to anyone that they will not release them straight away, but delay them, how much they will delay them, who knows, but all evidence suggests that they will be purchasable in the future.

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Originally Posted by JuicyHeals

You're more than free to take breaks, and if you lose out on pvp glamour because of said breaks than that's on you. There's still a whopping4 months in between patches and if you can't be bothered to play then they must not had really wanted it.

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If you are punished for taking breaks, you are not "free to take breaks". You and others keep trying to say something along these lines but contradict yourself immediately and then try to make it sound like it's my argument that has faulty logic. Kindly re-examine what you just said and try to tell me that makes sense.

I really don't get why people are so prone to defend exploitative and gross marketing like this. If this were a new MMO it would be laughed into an early grave. I suppose that despite playing the game less than I have, you and others making your argument just can't see past their love for the game.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

Just to point out, at no point have they said the rewards are available for a limited time. So, they could be released in the future for, what would most likely be, Trophy Crystals. So, saying you have a limited time to get them has no basis in fact, just the same as the claim that they are limited. This is still currently a grey area and until someone says something official, it will remain this way.

There was even a slide when they were first introducing all this that explicitly stated that the rewards will eventually be purchasable:

https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/up...asy-XIV-43.jpg

It should be obvious to anyone that they will not release them straight away, but delay them, how much they will delay them, who knows, but all evidence suggests that they will be purchasable in the future.

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If that were to happen I'd be fine with it.

However, it has been over a year and nothing regarding this idea has taken place yet.

I'm defending it because you all make it out to be this god awful grind when its not, there's far more games with worse fomo than being asked to play 1 game a day at minimun.

Edit: And what's punishing about this? It's not housing it's literally just armor. Don't talk about being blind from my love of the game, there's whole plethora of problems with this game but to pretend to get to rank 25 in pvp is such huge task is just not it.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

If this were a new MMO it would be laughed into an early grave. .

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No it would not? FF14 is pretty much the only MMO without this kind of thing aside from a few seasonal events and the pvp stuff. Every other MMO lives by a ever changing world and with that removing items and rewarding veterans with exclusive stuff

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Originally Posted by JuicyHeals

I'm defending it because you all make it out to be this god awful grind when its not, there's far more games with worse fomo than being asked to play 1 game a day at minimun.

Edit: And what's punishing about this? It's not housing it's literally just armor.

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Armor, and mounts, and pets, and emotes and- you know what you get my point. Yes, it IS an awful grind, especially with the psychological stress accompanied by the nature of the battle pass system.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

No it would not? FF14 is pretty much the only MMO without this kind of thing aside from a few seasonal events and the pvp stuff. Every other MMO lives by a ever changing world and with that removing items and rewarding veterans with exclusive stuff

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Yes, it would, and FF14 was a significantly better game when it was STILL one of the few MMO's that didn't rely on it to keep player numbers up.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Armor, and mounts, and pets, and emotes and- you know what you get my point. Yes, it IS an awful grind, especially with the psychological stress accompanied by the nature of the battle pass system.


Yes, it would, and FF14 was a significantly better game when it was STILL one of the few MMO's that didn't rely on it to keep player numbers up.

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I see you are a new player :) PVP had exclusive rewards since the beginning.... in A REALM REBORN

Psychological stress? What's stressful about playing 1 game? Either do it or don't, if it's such a chore then don't do it. In no way is this a grind there's nothing stressful about playing one game.

This isn't 100 levels of tiers to go by in 3 months it's only 25

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

I see you are a new player :) PVP had exclusive rewards since the beginning.... in A REALM REBORN

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I see you haven't been paying attention, I already addressed this. It's okay, I know actually reading is hard sometimes. :)

COMPETITIVE rewards for being a certain rank in the various PvP modes are not what I'm talking about, never have been.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

However, it has been over a year and nothing regarding this idea has taken place yet.

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Going logically, they will release the older rewards when they release a new series. New series only come on major patches, so only expect to hear something on 6.4 or 6.5. They might release things on 7.0, or they might do it in 6.55 as something people can do in the inevitable long stretch of time between 6.55 and 7.0 release.

All that to say, it is too early to say one way or another whether they will or will not release the items. Physical timescale means nothing, patch release however is what you should be looking for.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

I see you haven't been paying attention, I already addressed this. It's okay, I know actually reading is hard sometimes. :)

COMPETITIVE rewards for being a certain rank in the various PvP modes are not what I'm talking about, never have been.

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Hard to take you seriously when you complain that "battlepasses are psychologically stressful".

It's actually astonishing that you've made it in life this far.

Can tell OP never played a game with a season battle pass.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

If you are punished for taking breaks, you are not "free to take breaks". You and others keep trying to say something along these lines but contradict yourself immediately and then try to make it sound like it's my argument that has faulty logic. Kindly re-examine what you just said and try to tell me that makes sense.

I really don't get why people are so prone to defend exploitative and gross marketing like this. If this were a new MMO it would be laughed into an early grave. I suppose that despite playing the game less than I have, you and others making your argument just can't see past their love for the game.



If that were to happen I'd be fine with it.

However, it has been over a year and nothing regarding this idea has taken place yet.

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You are not punished for taking breaks. It's an aesthetic item that you don't need. It has a cost in playtime, feel free to pay it or not to pay it.

Let's say you see a pair of sneakers in a store that you think are really cool. You already have enough shoes at home, but still it would not be a financial burden for you so you might as well, but you still decide you'd rather not spend the money. You end up with no new sneakers, but your feet are plenty covered anyway. Have you been punished?

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Originally Posted by Celine_Aurora

You are not punished for taking breaks. It's an aesthetic item that you don't need. It has a cost in playtime, feel free to pay it or not to pay it.

Let's say you see a pair of sneakers in a store that you think are really cool. You already have enough shoes at home, but still it would not be a financial burden for you so you might as well, but you still decide you'd rather not spend the money. You end up with no new sneakers, but your feet are plenty covered anyway. Have you been punished?

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

It's funny that you're talking about how gacha garbage has "brain damaged" people when-

Battle passes are "gacha garbage" too.

No one is saying that you shouldn't have to play PVP to get PVP rewards. You just shouldn't be coerced into playing over 100 games of PVP in a short period of time on threat of missing out on those PVP rewards forever. Your argument has conflated arguments from people who don't like Roulette Bonuses (literally who is arguing like this in here?) to people who just don't want to be forced to play a game mode they don't like over 100 times in quick succession on threat of missing out on unique items forever.

100 games of PVP is 100 games of PVP, regardless of what span of time you actually decide to play those games of PVP over. The effort and time put into those 100 games don't change because you played a game or two every week, and not everyday.

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Refer to what I've already said multiple times in regards to your "point."

I don't really mind the fact that the coffer's at rank 25. The requirement to get more Trophy Crystals after 30 DOUBLING feels absurd though.

On the topic of past rewards, the fact that the only thing currently buyable from the Feast is essentially just participation rewards from it (which Series Malmstones also are) i don't see any issue in making the rewards of past ones buyable later on at an exorbitant price.
5k for the emote/first framer kit, 10k for the mount/second framer kit, and 20k for the attire coffer sounds reasonable, and if you missed all of last season, you'd need to obtain 50k Trophy Crystals.
Because of technical limitations, there's a limit on Trophy Crystals to only 98k per season. (Yes, this is real. The "Infinite" caps at 100.)
Completing a season to 30 gets you 28k. This means if someone wants the "good stuff" from a past season, they're going to need 200k series experience in the current season. This is still extremely offputting to casual players, but does allow for people who want the gear but missed out on it earlier to get it through sufficient grinding.

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Originally Posted by Raenra

I liked when the mount was at 25.

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that only happened because there were 2 minions at 15/16 instead

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Refer to what I've already said multiple times in regards to your "point."

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What you already said is what you were saying but hoping that using strong words like "threat" and "coercion" tricks the reader into thinking you are crusading against evil. It's not a threat, no one is smashing your car windows or taking away your medicines if you don't get Rank 25. It's not coercion, you can choose to work for the reward, or you can choose you don't care enough about it. And it's definitely no amount of small time, unless you voluntarily make it small, by taking breaks. You can comfortably get to rank 25 by the end of the battlepass by averaging one game of CC a day, and they last less than 5 minutes.

For developers to tickle that FOMO you were talking about, the FOMO needs to exist, and it looks to me like you are more predisposed to it than many others. And it's the same FOMO that makes you fail to realize you are responsible for taking what's on offer in the time it's on offer, or to let it go.

Go back to my sneakers example, but this time it's limited edition sneakers. Would you say Nike is coercing and threatening you because stock will eventually run out?

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Originally Posted by technole

Can tell OP never played a game with a season battle pass.

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You phrase that as a negative, as someone who has played several Battle Royales I can say battle passses are not good.

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheCurse

Essentially the title.

I know you want people to play PvP so it wasn't a waste of development cost, but putting it at Rank 25, and making the ranks take more EXP every 5 ranks is shite.

I hate PvP in most games, I know it wasn't made for me, but with people who want to play other games, do IRL shit, and suffering through the myriad of shite through the Crystalline conflict (Getting Oneshot, getting stunned locked for the 100th time, teams who don't group up, heals not going off cause of server tick etc) is just not fun.

No Matter how cool the next CC Glam is, I ain't going through this shite again lol

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I don't mind grinding to 25 to get the glam. What I hate is the fact the mounts from PVP are from achievements from winning and those take FOREVER.

Spam CC for a day and get your reward track maxed out, it's not that hard cmon i do it every time...

You guys take Kerenade serious? After all that whinning the past weeks?

If he would not waste so much time on the forum, he would already got rank 50.