Japanese FFXIV streamer receives a suspension for using add-ons.

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Originally Posted by iluke77

Well ive played arr since beta phase 3 and my main account is perma banned from the forums of which im lvl 90 in most classes with about 5 alts quite high !

Also by the looks of youre join date of 2022 you should be staying in your lane and not second guessing how much i may or may not know about ffxiv !!

because most likely ive been playing playing alot longer than you !

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Why would you admit to ban evasion on the official forums? lol?

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Originally Posted by iluke77

my main account is perma banned from the forum

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Wow, shocking that.

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Originally Posted by SwingLifeAway

Also, you are a level 17 conjurer. Please stay in your lane.

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ngl but this made me lol so freaking hard lol

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Originally Posted by iluke77

Also by the looks of youre join date of 2022 you should be staying in your lane and not second guessing how much i may or may not know about ffxiv !!

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Apparently not so much about how the forum work because join date is date of forum account creation.

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Originally Posted by iluke77

then you kinda answered the million dollar question if it never gets brought up then whats the purpose of addons then !!

i find it kinda hard to believe in 8 years you have never been in a group that has not brought up dps or that of other players or maybe the groups have never used dps addons or are respectful which can be rare in ffxiv some times !!

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The purpose is for end game to gauge dps checks and see your own personal performance. Most people that use parsers in end game don't give a damn about your performance in dungeons. I pugged end game content for years and no, I've never seen anyone ever bring up any mention of DPS numbers in PF or DF.

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Originally Posted by iluke77

i got put in ffxiv jail once for a run in with some arsehole in a dungeon who reported me for swearing even though the arsehole baited me and was the cause pulling mobs constantly and being a absolute d..k ..

is that just or fair either way i got the ban and took it !!

my main account has been perma banned from the forums over same sex marriage argument that got heated back when the eternal bonding was introduced no names were called they singled out my 3 posts and warned me on all 3 and banned before i knew i even got a first warning on a post

is that fair id say no but it is what it is

they have to deal with the 1% that are such f..king idiots that go out of their way the ruin it for everyone !!

seriously how do they individualize every complaint every exploit every win swap every addon used on a day to day basis over how many millions of players ?

they dont these are the rules if your spotted ( like stupidly streaming them ) ban hammer simple !!

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Sounds to me like you're the toxic one and got what you deserved. People using addons and minding their own business are not the problem, you are.

I think Xeno had it right in that it's kinda sus that SE waited until now to start banning people for third party add-ons when the wave of new players is more or less over versus when all the wow streamers were building ff14 hype streaming with their completely modded UIs and whatnot.

Seems like SE doesn't see it as much of a monetary loss now that it could have been if they banned the streamers flaunting add-ons last year when player counts were being boosted by them.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I think Xeno had it right in that it's kinda sus that SE waited until now to start banning people for third party add-ons when the wave of new players is more or less over versus when all the wow streamers were building ff14 hype streaming with their completely modded UIs and whatnot.

Seems like SE doesn't see it as much of a monetary loss now that it could have been if they banned the streamers flaunting add-ons last year when player counts were being boosted by them.

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SE isn't actively looking at streams. These bans were the results of groups brigading and mass reporting streamers.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

SE isn't actively looking at streams. These bans were the results of groups brigading and mass reporting streamers.

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So what you are saying is that in game SWATing is now a thing. What a time to play this game! Can't wait for the next world first race. Gonna see rivals mass report the other team's MT to slow them down, lol.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

SE isn't actively looking at streams. These bans were the results of groups brigading and mass reporting streamers.

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Sounds like all the mass reporters should get a ban for harassment and targeted attacks at streamers then...

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Sounds like all the mass reporters should get a ban for harassment and targeted attacks at streamers then...

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And then there'll be the no-nuance people who interpret that as an allowance of mods after all and as discouragement of reporting.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

And then there'll be the no-nuance people who interpret that as an allowance of mods after all and as discouragement of reporting.

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I should have been more exacting in my wording, the ones promoting mass reporting of streamers should also be on the same level of receiving of a ban for targeted attacks.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Sounds like all the mass reporters should get a ban for harassment and targeted attacks at streamers then...

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Technically yes, abusing the report system is a something you can get banned for...the problem is their reports, regardless of the harassment, do have legitimacy to them because it does break the TOS. I disagree with the outcome, but at the same time SE was stuck because if they did nothing then people would just take that as SE not enforcing their TOS.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Technically yes, abusing the report system is a something you can get banned for...the problem is their reports, regardless of the harassment, do have legitimacy to them because it does break the TOS. I disagree with the outcome, but at the same time SE was stuck because if they did nothing then people would just take that as SE not enforcing their TOS.

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I mean, SE not enforcing their TOS is nothing new. Problem is that they only enforce it when it is convenient to them which is where this whole problem started.

honestly he deserved it

he kicked the proverbial hornets nest and got stung. he has 0 common sense.

Problem is SE is now looking to make QoL of UI/Hud after these recent ban, and tbh UI/Hud should have been improve, there wouldn't be third party tools if SE didn't use UI/Hud since heavenward with slight improvement to it.

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Originally Posted by juicybug

honestly he deserved it

he kicked the proverbial hornets nest and got stung. he has 0 common sense.

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How did he kick a hornets nest... He was minding his own business doing ultimates.

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Originally Posted by Chiyeko

Problem is SE is now looking to make QoL of UI/Hud after these recent ban, and tbh UI/Hud should have been improve, there wouldn't be third party tools if SE didn't use UI/Hud since heavenward with slight improvement to it.

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This is the part I find the most messed up with what SE did. They banned the dude and said we will add these features you are using at a later time. Why not a warning with a 1 day ban, then the ToS reminder they gave out.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

How did he kick a hornets nest... He was minding his own business doing ultimates.



This is the part I find the most messed up with what SE did. They banned the dude and said we will add these features you are using at a later time. Why not a warning with a 1 day ban, then the ToS reminder they gave out.

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He was minding his own business, doing ultimates on a stream with his mods visible. Exact thing we were told NOT to do.

Also... They made the announcement before he was banned and the fact they are going to learn from mods doesn't suddenly make them unbannable.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

He was minding his own business, doing ultimates on a stream with his mods visible. Exact thing we were told NOT to do.

Also... They made the announcement before he was banned and the fact they are going to learn from mods doesn't suddenly make them unbannable.

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Okay, that doesn't change that he was still minding his own business and a group of random people decided to report him. If the ToS was enforced harder on streamers in the past, this wouldn't be a point of controversy at all. There is nothing wrong with a friendly reminder of what the ToS is, but the route SE went was nothing but stirring a pot, by harshly enforcing the ToS suddenly, not congratulating the teams for Ultimate clears, and questioning the validity of a unofficial world first race. If they had some sort of prize money on it, and this was an official race sure SE should take a harder look into this. This is not though, it's a unofficial world first race, that literally no one is going to care about by next week. Bad Company decisions are bad company decisions and SE has made a lot of those so far this year.

A warning and a day ban is still a ban is it not? It is still enforcing the ToS as well. Sure we all agreed to the ToS but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be criticized as well. Specially went some very simple UI features are not in the game, like the buff timers on the party list, viewing what your crit chance or DH chance is, or seeing what your stats are actually contributing to your character numerically. Nothing is ever perfect nor will it ever be.

How hard are you going to continue simp for this company that doesn't care about you in the slightest.

You can't just let streamers playing with mods knowingly and only step up when there is harassments involved for years and then suddenly ban them in the middle of an ultimate.

Especially when they did nothing when some WoW players used more mods than the person blindly simping for SE has pronouns.

If the point of "no third party" is to prevent harassment, but instead the tos is being used as a tool to harass, then maybe it's time to revisit the original point of the policy since what it set out to accomplish isn't being accomplished.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

If the point of "no third party" is to prevent harassment, but instead the tos is being used as a tool to harass, then maybe it's time to revisit the original point of the policy since what it set out to accomplish isn't being accomplished.

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The only point I've ever seen people get banned or suspended for mod usage has been end game content. Kind of makes you wonder if maybe the issue is end game content itself and all the third party tools and the ToS are a product of it. If content is hard enough that it requires a team sport mentality and hours that place it at the level of a part-time job, it probably shouldn't be in the game proper to the general public given what WoW looks like and now what FFXIV looks like at end game. Sometimes, you just got to let them figure it out themselves or never at all and move on with life.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The only point I've ever seen people get banned or suspended for mod usage has been end game content. Kind of makes you wonder if maybe the issue is end game content itself and all the third party tools and the ToS are a product of it. If content is hard enough that it requires a team sport mentality and hours that place it at the level of a part-time job, it probably shouldn't be in the game proper to the general public given what WoW looks like and now what FFXIV looks like at end game. Sometimes, you just got to let them figure it out themselves or never at all and move on with life.

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Given how they make fights and the usual dps checks, it is annoying to think that it's an issue where people think it's inherently bad as people could've just stayed in their lanes.