Eureka CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions thread - no negativity

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Originally Posted by fumofu

Easiest way to fix eureka:

1.Increase exp per mob and make chain bonus stay at lv30 as long as chain is connected. Also add anemos boxes to regular monsters drop and increase protean crystal drop rate
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2.Change notorious monster spawn conditions. Make it random spawn limited to 1 time per day for each of them. Maybe adjust their drops accordingly.

In short: main method of leveling in Eureka should be by grind, not by NM train.

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Good way to make Eureka even worse LOL. RNG spawns are the antithesis of fun or good game design.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Not a fan of sth like that. It eats way too much DEV time for a tiny subsection of the playerbase.
Lets face it: MMOs are not solo games, while some solo-ability is needed and appreciated, there is no point in turning it into a fleshed out, challenging solo experience for every spec. To be blunt: DEVs have way bigger fish to fry that would benefit a lot more players.

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See, I disagree. Those solo challenges were incredibly fun and rewarding. I'd love something similar here (As an alternative to the relic grind). Let me spend tomestones to try and clear this fight to earn my relic in an engaging manner rather than burning myself out on an awful grind. The fact that you can be every job would make this system even better.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

To enhance and add extra layer to camping/spawning. Let a rare mob of same family spawn with a different element weakness. Allow
this monster to give bonus exp or another type of bonus completely different from anything available.

example:

Your exp group is doing wind fly monsters. You kill most of the monsters and small notice pop up message that a rare monster has spawned.
You look through the wind flies and see a Water, this will cause either caution, or spending more wheel spinning. The rewards could
be higher exp and a bonus to attack or randomly place extra magicite that is temporary.
maybe even be a level higher than the other members of the monster family

another could be a completely unannounced mob that travels the zone, see it, shout and chase it down.

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Neither of these suggestions are really engaging though. A water monster appearing is nothing more than a binary switch of a bland/shallow UI element.

Much like the "Quick Synthesis" Option, Grant an option that allows players to either exchange a set amount of Anemos Crystal or auto-trade til they receive up to 999(with the ability to set how many you want to work towards)

Same can be said for the current Lootboxes or add in new lootboxes and increased the success rate and remove certain items from the pool.

Something like say Exchange 10 for a Silver Box, 25 for a Gold Box and 100 for a Platinum Box, all with their own RNG maybe with Plat having a unique item that isn't found in the other boxes.(And you can remove the fireworks from all three, maybe the tier 4 materia from Silver+ and removing the glamour gear from the gold Box) And also add Protean/Anemos as new reward.

Encourage Mob chain party over Fate train by increasing Chain XP and lowering Fate XP.
Allow us to level sync a party so we higher levels can form a party and grind mobs with lower levels.
Dont make party lead switch after entering Eureka.
Make people lose XP for dying even when they get revived.

And please dont reply to my post saying this suck blabla. I dont care what you like this is what I would like to have, and is suggestion for the devs, and not the start of a discussion.

I'd appreciate an item that would negate the exp loss on death, honestly. I think it's the single worst mechanic they could have put in, but as some people seem to enjoy it I'm ok with not taking it out. I would just rather an option to not make a needlessly long grind needlessly longer.

Then the usual increase in mob XP, build upon early Eureka rather than adding things on at the end, reduce the levels you need for mounts and teleports, more solo-friendly etc.

Can we get the ability to convert more than one anemos crystal at a time? I've got a ton of these things that need to be converted and i'm going to be spending probably a good 30 minutes mashing the same button over and over again my poor controller.

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Originally Posted by ToriiMiyuki

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yes, because when players do something the dev team do not like, they are more than willing to nerf it, on this case, the best example is diadem 1.0, back then everyone grinded on the same island, they nerfed it, but they took like a month or so before they nerfed it, and they never said what they where going to nerf it or anything towards complaints of how diadem was made, just because they are silent(what is pretty much on any content not matter how many complaints it got) it doesn't means they not gonna do changes

fate trains are like the whole dino island thing, everyone grouping to kill the same things on the same spots, the only diference is what people need to move to a new spot after the current farmed nm is killed, but is pretty much the same thing anyway and clearly not the intended way the devs had for eureka

That's only part of the reason.
There was a complaint from the raiding community that diadem was invalidating everything about savage raiding

I would like for single monsters to give more exp so that I don't have to rely on back-stabbing rando parties. OR, for the entire group to suffer the Death Penalty if one of their members is forced to respawn (though groups will just start kicking dead players I suppose).

The mount option should be available at lvl 5+. That's when you freaking need it. Not when you're level 17 and can tele everywhere or stroll thru and not get attacked in most areas.

Also the marriage ring should work in there. It's dumb that it doesn't. Especially if you have the whole map uncovered.

Here's my suggestions, copy/pasting over from the other thread.

-Allow sorting the adventurer list by elemental level.

-Allow searching for player names so you can easily find your friends in the same instance.

-Show players with "looking for party" status at the top of the adventurer list.

-Create ways to discourage players from just going AFK until an NM spawns. It feels bad when you're doing all the work to spawn the NM and there's like 50 people just standing around doing nothing and getting the same reward.

-Add a "do not disturb" status, so you don't get random invites to parties when you just want to solo, or you just entered to turn in your 2000 stack of anemos crystals ....

-Buff experience points gained from killing monsters in parties. The NM train happened because you can get elemental levels very quickly and easily for almost no effort. If the effort doesn't match the reward, no one will do it.

-Don't reset the chain bonus after 30, allow parties to maintain the chain 30 as long as they keep killing enemies within the time limit. (This is how the chain bonus worked in FFXI)

-Add a level sync feature that gives the party leader the option to sync the level of everyone in the party down to equal the level of the lowest level member of the party in order to facilitate high level players being able to help their friends who need to catch up. (FFXI has this feature)

-Put in some kind of daily/weekly challenge rewards to keep people going back in even after reaching max level. Or to help people who just want to level up casually.

-Add a "quick synthesis" style method for opening lock boxes, or converting anemos crystals so you can turn in large quantities of items while AFK.

-Add achievements for defeating NMs

-Allow gaining experience points even after reaching max level, so that we don't immediately level down on death at max level. Or just make it impossible to level down after reaching max level.

-Reduce the experience points death penalty. Losing 25% of your level at the higher levels is extremely soul crushing. Maybe like 10% would be ok.

-Display a timer showing the amount of time since the instance was generated.

My suggestions.

- The developers talk about them closing The Diadem and removing it from the game completely. If they actually have plans to do that, they could add the pegasus mount and minion as a reward from lockboxes in eureka.

- Add the iLv 320 crafted gear as a possible reward from lockboxes. They could be worn like normal, used for glamour or desynthesized.

- Boost the base EXP from mobs by 50% (at least).

- Allow the Squadron Battle Manual to work in Eureka. 15% more EXP would help a lot. It would also encourage people to actually bother with their squadrons.

- Unless they already do, make so that chaining contribute to spawning the NM. Let each 10 chain contribute another 5 kills to kill counter needed to spawn the NM in question. Add 10 kills when you reach a 20 chain and 15 kills when you reach a 30 chain. This should make it easier to spawn the low level NM that the trains tend to ignore and make it easier for newcomers to get started.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

That's only part of the reason.
There was a complaint from the raiding community that diadem was invalidating everything about savage raiding

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There should always be a path for players who don't raid to get a similar level of gear. Raid community is a tiny portion of the overall playerbase, catering only to them is financial suicide. (and I am a raider, I just understand this fact.)

And that path is tome farming and, depending on the difficulty, Extreme Primals.

Diadem gear, being RNG and all that, had a chance of giving you gear that could have stats matching/surpassing Savage gear and due to how difficult Gordios was at the time... probably made some raiders wonder what the point of Savage was at that point. "Why do this when we can get gear that can potentially be better than what we get in Savage?"

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Originally Posted by hijifa

repost from another thread but..

eureka is fine.. they gotta flesh it out way more and tone down the grind for casual players and add complexity and depth for midcore/hardcore players . and when i say they "gotta" i mean they should've... like they should know that players aren't dumb.. after playing some content for some amount of time people can learn, so make things harder as you progress.. my suggestions of what could be added :-

1. elite mobs

2. mix elemental monsters or dual/triple elemental monsters

3. separate elemental attack, and def, so mobs can have fire defence and wind attack for example (higher level mobs).

4. eureka only gear, set bonuses etc.. for example fire armor will add resistance to fire, but lower resistance to water, could even have a 6 element set (wear 1 of each element, gives you a set bonus to inc all element def) (an option for some that want to be jack of all trades master of none)

5. monsters less spread out, like not all the wind monsters are clumping together all the time, rn its easy to never switch your board

6. eureka only spells, like there could be really OP spells, or useful spells. for example casters can get role action that lets them switch the element of monsters for limited time(useful for said mix elemental monsters or elite mobs)

7. eureka progression. just getting more slots on the materia board doesn't feel good at all. players could learn passive traits for example which they put skill points into. elemental resist - base resistance up, elemental affinity - base elemental attack up, elemental control - remove negative effects of armor, status resist up trait, chance to inflict status resists up etc.. these will all have their own levels 1-5 so you cant max all..

8. weather affecting elements

9. eureka hunts(basically mvp monsters)(in addition to notorious monsters), killing quests, leves, gathering quests?(yes they're gonna be quite hard cause it might be difficult to reach a spot alone, so you probably need a party), minigames..

some extras are like making healers' healing element based, so a fire affinity healer healing a fire armor tank is 150% healing, water armor tank 50%

maybe some monsters have hidden element, as in the element is not shown so players should do some trial and error to find out

status elements emphasis, since its the overworld we can stun, sleep etc things, they could make monsters designed more OP, like a fire monster casting a water spell, if your tank is on full fire defence its gonna hurt alot so you can stun/silence.

they can also play with elements and statuses, like lightning give % chance to statis, fire % to burn etc.. so you might want to statis a mob (traits to increase chance of statis, burn, etc)

of course all of my suggestion would only come into play in the later levels, like 10+ where players already got familiar with the basics. also those that just wanna get the relic should safely be able to without going into that complexity if they don't want to. they could have easily make it casual enough so that anyone can go in and get their relic, but deep enough to make it interesting. its 100% separate from the outside world, with its own leveling system, so they could've experimented with literally anything inside there, like creating a game within a game.

the old school getting skill points, upgrading skills (but you'll never max all the skills or traits so you gotta choose), levelling traits, skill traits, item traits, stat points etc, hits home with many players including myself.. they were going for the old school MMO feel, so things like this would've been fun to go through.. games that come to mind are ragnarok.. i feel like right now, they are already trying to shake up their formula, which is good, but the things they are trying are still too safe. the potential of this content is huge, and something they could've experimented on. i think theres a major development psychology issue.. the content shouldn't be there just to get the reward, the content should be fun enough to play on its own regardless of reward.. the next time you enter eureka or any content, ask yourself, if there was no reward, would i do this?

current content has ALOT of potential, and alot of things have been done right, like the map, the exploration aspect, monsters looks.. grind is debatable, people complain because its boring, if the content was fun, i don't think people would mind the grind so much. ideally the leveling should be rescaled to be more top heavy, so you level up fast at the start and feel like you done alot of good progress in 2-4 hours, then things ramp up in difficulty from there.

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All of these are wonderful ideas, and things I can only hope they consider at some point. For now I'm hoping that at least the fatal flaws of the content are fixed or patched, like the overcrowding per instance, low or mid level people still getting enough XP from high level NMs to level up, making it so the zerg train happens, imbalance of rewards between chain-mobbing and NM hunting, and worst of all, level differences between party members making it impossible to contribute anything for lower lvl friends. What you said about the low levels taking forever to climb through is also 500% true. The low levels should be quick enough that progress doesn't feel tedious upfront, and the higher levels challenging...

Once that is fixed, I would really love if they actually started experimenting with the magia board, with different Trait and equipment options to be made Eureka-exclusive, and other things you mentioned.

Don't think it will happen, tho :')

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

There should always be a path for players who don't raid to get a similar level of gear. Raid community is a tiny portion of the overall playerbase, catering only to them is financial suicide. (and I am a raider, I just understand this fact.)

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Technically speaking tomestones were to be the luck barrier to raid RNG and the path for non raiders to get gear, now they are only the non raider gear because of raid tomes beign essentially the bad luck protection

Frakly speaking diadem should've been the non needing uncapped tomestones/dungeons way to get to endgame, but the flopped it by making it requiring the absurdity of ilvl 179 invalidating 2 tier of rewards and both easy and normal diadem.
Imho I'll insist that what really killed diadem 1 and 2 is them not showing any support for it, Eureka's fate will be linked to post-launch support too, because if the only thing avaible from it will be relics by next week ppl will have all of them and they won't have anymore reason to go there.
Unless they fancy NM monsters that is and since they scaling is more or less confirmed there might be a few ppl doing but I don't know

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Eureka's fate will be linked to post-launch support too, because if the only thing avaible from it will be relics by next week ppl will have all of them and they won't have anymore reason to go there.
Unless they fancy NM monsters that is and since they scaling is more or less confirmed there might be a few ppl doing but I don't know

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I definitely won't have all relics finished by next week. If I'm lucky I'll have ONE finished by next week. not everyone grinds day and night there.

Three words: Party Level Sync.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

I definitely won't have all relics finished by next week. If I'm lucky I'll have ONE finished by next week. not everyone grinds day and night there.

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Neither am I, I'm just saying that once you are done with the relics you want there won't be any more reasons for you to be there that is a fact

@Tridus: AFter some thoughts I don't really want that, I'd rather have the possibility of power levelling my friends to my level than rather let them simply endure what I did

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Neither am I, I'm just saying that once you are done with the relics you want there won't be any more reasons for you to be there that is a fact

@Tridus: AFter some thoughts I don't really want that, I'd rather have the possibility of power levelling my friends to my level than rather let them simply endure what I did

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It's a pretty low effort way to get grade 6 materia's if you're really stingy about buying them.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

It's a pretty low effort way to get grade 6 materia's if you're really stingy about buying them.

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Mh I suppose, there also the fact that you can get BIS for ultimate if you care or get different gears from tanks if you care about that too

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

There should always be a path for players who don't raid to get a similar level of gear. Raid community is a tiny portion of the overall playerbase, catering only to them is financial suicide. (and I am a raider, I just understand this fact.)

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Do you believe there should be an alternative raiding path to relic weapons?

Not sure if this was mentioned but add Gates that keep lower levels away from high level nms. Not even upset about Cheer-ons or whatever. Really tired of lower levels rushing in bringing 8 level 23 mobs to Amarok.

I am okay with lower levels being Rez bots I am okay with them staying in a safe corner afking for a NM, but why are they allowed to afk at higher level mobs just to bring 8 lvl 23 mobs in just to tag a nm. Make the exp penalty higher if they are not near the nm required level or add gates please.

My only other suggestion is please lower the amount of players allowed in a zone. I can't see anything if 144 players are in a single area..

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Originally Posted by Remedi

@Tridus: AFter some thoughts I don't really want that, I'd rather have the possibility of power levelling my friends to my level than rather let them simply endure what I did

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FFXI did this in a pretty good way, which is why it's kind of astounding that it wasn't implemented here. Once you're in a party, the Party Leader can choose to sync everyone's level down to the lowest level in the party. Everyone keeps gaining XP as if they were that level, and it's still 100% optional. If you want to power level your friends in a different way it's still an option, and if you want to have adventures with your friends that's still an option too.

The problem right now is that we're lacking a lot of options in Eureka.

I have also been thinking that there should be an Exp penalty for dying even if you get raised. Say, 5% xp chunked off your level for dying, with an additional 20% chunked off for returning to base without a raise. Of course, I'm not talking that this should be the ONLY change. I've talked about other ideas plenty in this thread before...

There needs to be a way of limiting the effects of content being "Zergable". A majority of the NMs in Eureka could be fun and engaging if it didn't come down to players being able to brute force it because they have the numbers to overcome it.

I would like to see an option where Eureka could serve as a hub for players to gain levels and fight the NMs in said open world but also the option to challenge NMs as a party of 8 or an alliance of 24 with increased rewards.

The game needs more instances of players actually being able to challenge themselves with content, not content that just allows players to zerg it once their levels are high enough.

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Originally Posted by Airget

There needs to be a way of limiting the effects of content being "Zergable".

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The only way to do that is to further limit the number of players in an instance which actually would solve a lot of other problems. If you have fewer people in an instance, there's less of a risk of the wrong objects being culled (like the NM... or adds who murder you...). I doubt they'll take it to an extreme of letting even 24 players run around though, it's a huge instance with a ridiculous amount of mobs being managed, it's only worth keeping up if they have the potential to put a certain amount of people in it and I doubt they'll redesign the place to fit smaller groups.

Just some suggestions, might be some duplicates.

*Limit Break gage is individual; each player builds it up via chaining
*Ability to exchange items for others; Maybe 3x or 5x of the same thing (eg pot helm) allows you to get a different helm (eg cowboy hat).
*Alternatively, allow trade 1x-2x of the various items to exchange for a new lock box. Might get fireworks...but a random chance beats having 5 cowboy hats I'll never need.
*Allow all (almost all?) drops to be purchased via Protean Crystals; even if it cost 10,000 for the mount, I would at least know I am making steady progress rather than strictly RNG.
*Mounts at a much lower level. Pre-level 9, getting to the NM fates was hell because by the time I walked to them they'd be almost over. Thematically doesn't really make sense to gate mounts anyway.

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*Visual indicators that NMs are inbound. Eg. as 50 darners are killed, maybe the spawn point of Emperor has a glowing light. Point being, a PT can grind 50 or so real quick and if no light, move on to another NM. Alternatively, just let the NM body stay on the ground until the window reopens.
*"Popable" NMs (along the lines of FFXI; spawned with trigger items at a "???" mark)
*Kinda unrelated, but get rid of Diadem and the level design behind it altogether. The "Flying" zones (sea of clouds/churning mists) look sloppy and "Stretched" IMHO. Future Eureka zones should continue in the 2.0 non-flying/compact/more detailed design.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

*Limit Break gage is individual; each player builds it up via chaining

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I'd make it so chaining gives a bonus but it still builds regardless. Otherwise you can't build it on the occasion you're facing an NM (like if it spawned and you just joined the instance). Also chaining is nigh impossible with the zerg train currently.

I can agree with that. Build as per usual, just some +% to the build with the chain. (Could be as simple as the TP gain increases +10% at chain 10 for example)

Some ideas I wrote down:

-Lack of daily objectives. What they fail to see here is that they have conditioned their players over the years to take content in at short spurts even if you are grinding. So when placed into these type of instances, people feel instantly overwhelmed and feel more obligated to keep up and that is when it really feels more like a chore than being fun at all. Creating daily tasks would give incentive to players who want to relic grind, but not feel overwhelmed by the amount needed to be done. It feels like an accomplishment going in each day. It also encourages optional solo play because there will come a time when the crowds will die down because it will become old content. Having this will at least not put you in a bad spot when this happens.

-FATE's give EXP no matter what level you are. This is controversial I am sure, but because FATE's give great EXP rather you meet the level standards or not, this is making everyone get in one pile and move from one FATE to the next. If nothing is rewarded, even EXP, to people who do not meet the leveling requirements at least by 1-2 levels, then they should receive nothing for their efforts. Doing this will make it do people are not just doing FATE trains and are more spread out in the area. In turn however, we reward players with great EXP chains within their leveling range. So the amount given from normal mobs is not abysmal feeling.

-Return Faction Guildleves from 1.0 to Eureka. Similar to Faction Leves, have players gather over time items they can use to pop Faction Levequests with other players and engage in a challenging levequest and be rewarded many points and lockboxes for completion. Or you can compare it kind of the seals in FFXI, where you gathered a certain amount and able to enter an instance with them. Since we are already in an instance however, I believe using the levequest structure should resolve this. Make it so who uses their seals gets the items and loot, however you reward people who help them with enough points and lockboxes to make the experience feel worthwhile.

-Take away EXP loss punishment. While the punishment itself I don't think is the worst thing ever, it has created another issue. It has now made people want to only be on jobs that can raise others (like healer jobs, RDM, SMN). I like you are character progressing and not job progressing, but if we took away this punishment, this would balance out more and people will want to play the jobs they want to. Not feel like they play the jobs they have to. Especially since we do not have gear levels.

this is probably somewhere in this thread and i Know i saw it elsewhere but this is me adding my +1 to being able to level sync DOWN without penalising low levels in your party.

i got my friend to try eureka today, she's lvl1, i'm 20. i couldn't do anything to help her gain exp in a party of us two, so i had to disband our party and heal on the side while she chipped away at mobs. i wasn't able to dot/attack/Anything bc automatically she'd lose all xp. i would Really love to see this happen. :c

I apologize for whichever suggestions have been made before; I'm posting in haste.

The main issues I've perceived:
- There's too much temporarily "dead space"
- The (community perceived-) optimal play involves too much "dead weight" during the leveling process -- Reasons largely shared with above
- There's too much dependence on / benefit in instance-hopping.
- Too much dependence on /shout and third party tools for core tracking.

Main reasons for this:
- Level-to-power curve, by player level and/or by mob-player difference, is overly sharp
- The way respawn timers work at present

Suggestions to attempt remedy to the above, in simplest, though not likely best form:
- Create an at-base NPC or world map function to record NM kills, including recency thereof.
- Significantly flatten the curve of power squish/growth per level of difference (mob-to-player / player-to-mob). (This can be done in a variety of ways; I may edit these in later.)
- Flatten the exp splitting / penalty proportionately to above. Perhaps then further allow for lenience even thereafter, especially to the benefit of higher level players being able to aid lower level players without crippling their experience gains.
- Allow for respawn timers to be "overclocked" somewhat. Anytime a mob is killed (put onto its cooldown) and no other NMs within 2-3 levels are available (e.g. if a level 5 NM is put on CD, and the level (2), 3, 4, 6, 7 (and 8) NMs are all also on CD), then one will be refreshed based on the number of players at its appropriate level and its refresh time remaining. Very obvious hints will be included to show which is refreshed.

There's far more I'd prefer to adjust as well, in the realm of elite mobs, mob packs, more interesting blessings, better mob distribution, and better ways to address the respawn timer situation (reminiscent of some old favorite suggestions for hunt reworks, but still allowing for scaled world-vs.-mob fights), but I feel like those 4 things would already pack a ton of good.

it would be far better if you didn't have to pass a wall of level 14/15 monsters to get to a level 12 fate (as an example) combine this with the death penalties and it's designed to make you fail. It's pretty obvious they just want you spinning your wheels.

Daily and weekly short quest (think HW singing clusters)
Some sort of player search interface (PF) while inside
level sync (same method as FFXI do not make it over complex)
Making something to do with crafting and gathering, I/E:

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

I fell like they could've added a lot of fun activities on the island or something and you'd get crystals depending on how well you did.

Like one of them could've have you defending a settlement. In between attacks, crafters and gatherers could build things in order to buff the settlement defenses. The attacks would be easier or harder depending on how well you built it up. The rewards would be dependent on how well you did the attack.

You know, activities that spice the gameplay up. Literally anything other than grinding mobs in a zerg rush.

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Get rid of exp loss, does not fit here
aetherite and mount at level 1
Allow tells in and out of the instance so friends can join up easier
going with^ have instance entry menus so you can join your friends.
Adjust/remove lockboxs. (replace with currency tab currency)Have a way players win these side bonuses with less inventory clutter.
Fully customizable sub stats like HW/ARR relics for both the AF and weapon

Consider making ilevels more relevant, like i355, maybe consider a limited amount of upgrades from 350 to 360 so the second 24 man still has purpose. Maybe using the weekly coin drop to make gear 360 is an option. (keep in mind there are people out there that has no issues getting full crafted gear in insane little amounts of time, consider this when you work out ilevels and the time invested to get said grindly gear/relic/ relic weapon)

Remember people want quick/non-tediousness grinds for these in general because gear gets outdated. Other games that have grinds that last months and years, has those items last for 5 years +, look at ffxi who has gear still usable for gear 10+ years old. Some gear in ffxi is still consider current whose age is older then the complete FFXIV game, even including 1.0, that is mind boggling. In other words, if you want to make a long grind, have a true upgrade system in place (trials of the magians from ffxi) that upgrades across expansions so people have more faith in doing really long grinds since they know it will last.

So much of this discussion is on watering down the content because it's too grindy.
THIS IS THE RELIC OBJECTIVE - IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GRINDY. And even worse, this is ONLY the first stage of it. What do you think this is, the only stage of the relic we'll see until 5.0? Good grief.
Do none of you remember the Atma farming? The stupid books? The gathering of light? Alexandrite? Some of the MANY different grinds that they put on to get your relic - all of which took significantly longer than the current iteration.

Lets face it. All you want is things to be easier so you can run around with some glowy weapon that you haven't worked much for. Also you want to remove the sharp edges so there is no risk if you screw something up and end up dying in the middle of nowhere. Uh no.

Seriously. I haven't spent all that much time in Eureka. I got in early and leveled quickly with a good set of people. In that time I've managed to setup 8 full relic weapons. Doing NMs drops Anemos crystals which convert to between 2-5 Protean EACH. My run from 1-20 netted me over 4 stacks (yes 4000 of them). I still have enough crystals to get several more weapons, I just lack the jobs at 70.
I NEVER had things this easy when I tried to farm atmas... or having to endlessly grind tomestones to afford unidentified materials, or sand, or "insert a large number of specific fetch items". This is EASY content already. Almost laughably so. The fact that people who haven't spent a great deal of effort on the content are nearly DONE with it, tells you they need to slow it down a bit. This time last relic, people were barely getting the first "upgrade" component complete - let alone the whole weapon.

What they really SHOULD do:
- Reduce the spawn rate of NMs. This will force people into a "normalcy" of XP chaining between monsters. The XP chaining is very good if you spend time doing it.
- Increase the NM HP scaling based on the total level of people in the instance. As the player levels increase, the swarm is able to kill NMs in record time, and will only get worse. Make them harder to kill so that lower players have more time to get there and participate.
- Add more robust party finding features. This has been covered
- Allow for more than one at a time crystal conversion - because that is just annoying for the sake of annoying.

This has been a good first step. Certainly more to be done, and more complexity to be introduced (multi-aspected mobs), more diverse environments. But under no reasonable expectation should they increase the rate at which players gain XP or receive crystals. Its already absurdly fast.

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What they really SHOULD do:
- Reduce the spawn rate of NMs. This will force people into a "normalcy" of XP chaining between monsters. The XP chaining is very good if you spend time doing it.

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And please not this one -- not without offering something more interesting between NMs at least.

No.
What "interesting" things did you do when waiting for book fates to appear before they nerfed it and made them more common?
What "interesting" things did you do instead of grinding tomes endlessly to buy unidentified items?
This is for long-term and "casual" advancement of your character. It should take a long time. If you wanted interesting, go do the more quick and risky activities that are immediately more rewarding. I happened to find the whole experience interesting myself. So speak for yourself.

The content was designed around the forming of parties and the chaining of mobs for XP, with the additional benefit of spawning something "special" to enhance the experience. They should focus on that primary aspect. In fact, Chaining is VERY productive with the correct party - to the extent that my party started skipping the lowest of NMs because we were getting 500xp BASE off monsters 5+ levels above us and were hitting Chain 30 regularly. Looking back at some of it, we were getting about 500 at level 15+ off of appropriately difficult monsters. It wasn't worth it to run, get a tag, and run back for some of the lower fates. It was rather relaxing when we got into the groove, and even better when we started getting new NMs from higher level monsters that wouldn't have been seen otherwise.

An increase in the spawn timers for NMs would mean that with the same amount of lockout, higher level players would seek out a better use of their time and try to spawn the more valuable NMs that were "worth more". Allowing those who benefited from chaining on lower mobs to work on those separately. NMs should be a rare treat. Not the expected norm.

Right now, the system is tipped in favor of the leech, and penalises people who may have been trying to do it "as intended". The NM train is a lazy, but effective strategy for a system that probably didn't intend it. And that should be stopped. If they want to sit around and wait for an NM to appear, fine. But this strategy should be a MUCH slower progression - leaving them lagging behind people who put in the effort. It is absolutely bonkers that people could EASILY get to max level within the first 3 days and have completed ALL upgrade stages for multiple weapons in that time. If you don't like the intended play-style, you don't have to participate, but you should not be able to reap the rewards for it.

In fact, I believe that the current iteration of Eureka is the nerfed version. Since they were so far behind releasing this, it feels like they're setting us up to be back on track in terms of progression for a release of phase 2 much sooner than we expect. the Ilvl 355 stuff would have made sense back in 4.15 as a grindy upgrade, with the Byakko weapons matching in 4.2. This is about the time they would have started making nerfs to the "previous" steps to get the laggers caught up.

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What they really SHOULD do:
- Reduce the spawn rate of NMs...
- Increase the NM HP scaling based on the total level of people in the instance...

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absolutely all of this, esp point 1-2. in the past couple of days, as more ppl have reached higher levels, nms are dying insanely, Insanely fast. was farming void scales and a fresh nm spawned right outside the cave. by the time we killed our one mob, mounted and ran to the mouth of the cave, it was dead.

also ppl aren't calling out nms anymore (from my recent experiences), so unless ur apart the monster train, u have no chance to get there in time. even low level fates, ppl are pulling right as they spawn and they're dead. some mind of scaling needs to be implemented, definitely. it's not fair to other who have the misfortune of chain killing away from the train, show up last and with no xp.

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I believe most went into this expecting to grind in some form. The complaint isn't about the grinding. It is about how it is structured and how to build variety and interest in the grind. The ideas I mentioned earlier in this thread would very easily resolve many issues that people have with the content.

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There needs to be a way of limiting the effects of content being "Zergable". A majority of the NMs in Eureka could be fun and engaging if it didn't come down to players being able to brute force it because they have the numbers to overcome it.

I would like to see an option where Eureka could serve as a hub for players to gain levels and fight the NMs in said open world but also the option to challenge NMs as a party of 8 or an alliance of 24 with increased rewards.

The game needs more instances of players actually being able to challenge themselves with content, not content that just allows players to zerg it once their levels are high enough.

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So in other words, it should be a trial and not open world. Instances were created exactly because when you stick something outdoors and let everyone have it, everyone will. Zerging is defacto in the design.

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So much of this discussion is on watering down the content because it's too grindy.

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No, because it's boring, has severe technical problems, and omits basic things like party level sync so you can actually play with your friends. Might be worth reading the feedback before you dismiss it all.

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THIS IS THE RELIC OBJECTIVE - IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GRINDY.

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It is it also supposed to be best done while watching Netflix? Because that seems like a design flaw to me.

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Do none of you remember the Atma farming? The stupid books? The gathering of light? Alexandrite? Some of the MANY different grinds that they put on to get your relic - all of which took significantly longer than the current iteration.

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So past boring and repetitive tasks mean that we should be content to settle for an even more boring and repetitive task now? Talk about low standards.

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Lets face it. All you want is things to be easier so you can run around with some glowy weapon that you haven't worked much for. Also you want to remove the sharp edges so there is no risk if you screw something up and end up dying in the middle of nowhere. Uh no.

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No, I'd like to be able to play with my friends and not be punished for it by getting zero XP. I'd like NMs to not randomly vanish while fighting them because the server can't handle people being in the same area in content that's expressly designed to get people into the same area. I'd like for there to be some actual depth, beyond "set the board to whatever element you're fighting and just spam kill stuff." I can get that gameplay on my phone for far less money.

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- Reduce the spawn rate of NMs. This will force people into a "normalcy" of XP chaining between monsters. The XP chaining is very good if you spend time doing it.

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NMs are the only thing that make the place even remotely interesting. Less of them is not a good thing unless the goal is to bore people into submission.

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- Increase the NM HP scaling based on the total level of people in the instance. As the player levels increase, the swarm is able to kill NMs in record time, and will only get worse. Make them harder to kill so that lower players have more time to get there and participate.

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I could go for this. Letting people mount earlier so they can keep up would help, too. The train can get spread out sometimes, and woe to folks trying to chain who are far away and not part of the train. (Honestly, the train is the only part of this I find fun because there's actual danger from those higher level mobs and trying to dodge around raising people is more difficult than just spamming a rotation on easy trash).

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- Add more robust party finding features. This has been covered
- Allow for more than one at a time crystal conversion - because that is just annoying for the sake of annoying.

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These two things are simply amateur level mistakes that never should have been allowed into production, especially on something that was delayed so many times. Absolutely needs fixing.

Overall, aside from the technical problems, the train is where Eureka actually works. You get some real social aspect going, and lots of people working together. They should encourage more of that rather than trying to break everyone up into little equal level groups that just grind. This is theoretically a social game, after all.