A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

Oh, and I'm down with a tackle box for fishing and getting currencies in the currency screen. Putting some in key items is ok too, but if it's a currency why isn't it in there?

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Originally Posted by savageink

Inventory has been an issue forever. I think I even rage unsubbed at one point because I was so sick of spending half my time in game in inventory screens. lol. Anyway, I resubbed recently to get ready for the expansion and because I couldn't resist the Goku cloud mount.

Honestly, except in the armory it's not really an issue of how many slots they have. There are more than enough slots for general usage. It's end game management that stinks to high heaven, and almost no thought to storage. The devs have cited server rewrites as issues for expanding the slots, because it writes back and forth a copy of the character often while playing. Probably a legitimate issue. Retainers somewhat rectify that by taking items out of your inventory. But the retainers have always seemed like a cludge. It's like they took a bunch of mismatched ideas and shoved them all together....

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yep my friend went on a long break from crafting issues and spendin too muc time cleaning out items. You simply spend too much time in retainer menus, there needs to be a better way

In general, I agree with what people have been saying. I want to comment specifically on what some have said about too much key item space...I am wondering if the new slots we are getting in main inventory are actually being taken away from key item inventory. It's like players (and retainers) have 175 main inventory slots, but in players 75 of them were reserved for key items (not sure what it means that only one page shows up in small inventory grid, but I doubt they'd show slots that weren't actually there in expanded view). Perhaps they did some analysis and determined that only 20 of them are necessary, so they will release the other 55. Maybe we'll get fewer open quests available in the journal as a result. I'm not sure if the key item slots are inherently different from normal slots on the back end, but it may prove the easiest way for them to expand our inventory within the existing system.

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Originally Posted by XhrysanthRubicant

In general, I agree with what people have been saying. I want to comment specifically on what some have said about too much key item space...I am wondering if the new slots we are getting in main inventory are actually being taken away from key item inventory. It's like players (and retainers) have 175 main inventory slots, but in players 75 of them were reserved for key items(not sure what it means that only one page shows up in small inventory grid, but I doubt they'd show slots that weren't actually there in expanded view). Perhaps they did some analysis and determined that only 20 of them are necessary, so they will release the other 55. Maybe we'll get fewer open quests available in the journal as a result. I'm not sure if the key item slots are inherently different from normal slots on the back end, but it may prove the easiest way for them to expand our inventory within the existing system.

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It just be imagery, that it is 75 spots because it just appears that way because of the expanded option. I do not think it works like that, taking off 40 items from key and putting them in our real. Maybe if ps3 limitations was still a thing....

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16.Also there is menu bloat on these retainers, a lot of menus are not needed on them.

"entrust or withdraw items"
Sell items in your inventory on the market"
"sell your retainer's inventory on the market"

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You need to learn how to work the UI. This can be hidden.

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Originally Posted by KuraiKiserogeru

You need to learn how to work the UI. This can be hidden.

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I know how to use it, it is clunkly and a PITA.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

It just be imagery, that it is 75 spots because it just appears that way because of the expanded option. I do not think it works like that, taking off 40 items from key and putting them in our real. Maybe if ps3 limitations was still a thing....

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There's no reason it wouldn't be 75 slots - it works just like a normal inventory up until at least 28 items (highest amount I've had at one time). Unless it arbitrarily stops at 30 or 50 or some other short of 75, it works just like the regular inventory.

I hear people complain about inventory all the time and I really don't get it. I use 3 battle jobs @ 60 and have every gathering/crafting job leveled to max (save fisher, because that is really boring) and I have zero problems running out of inventory space. I spend maybe a couple of minutes once or twice a week keeping my 2 retainers' inventories neat and tidy and getting rid of things.

People all the time saying we need more inventory space, I think people just need to be a bit more organized.

Actually, has anyone considered making a second account using the free trial now that it's becoming unlimited to use as storage mules?

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Originally Posted by Berethos

There's no reason it wouldn't be 75 slots - it works just like a normal inventory up until at least 28 items (highest amount I've had at one time). Unless it arbitrarily stops at 30 or 50 or some other short of 75, it works just like the regular inventory.

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I need reword that, I am sorry. I meant to say "It just might be imagery" because how not doing expanded makes it appear to be 25 spots or whatever. Regardless it is off my main point and that is I do not think they would do that due that space transfer thing from key items due to how small the limits would be.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

Actually, has anyone considered making a second account using the free trial now that it's becoming unlimited to use as storage mules?

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They can't trade or something or use retainers or something. Even if we assume they can be used for 100 free spots, the time wasted in trades is insane (I am an alt drove me nuts so I stopped doing it, I also have 8 chrs on this account. trade, log out, trade log out, too much time wasted, too much of a PITA.)

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Originally Posted by FeliciaTheSecond

I hear people complain about inventory all the time and I really don't get it. I use 3 battle jobs @ 60 and have every gathering/crafting job leveled to max (save fisher, because that is really boring) and I have zero problems running out of inventory space. I spend maybe a couple of minutes once or twice a week keeping my 2 retainers' inventories neat and tidy and getting rid of things.

People all the time saying we need more inventory space, I think people just need to be a bit more organized.

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Ill try not to be rude, really I am but this is a pet peeve of mine. You have so little progress and you wonder why space is not an issue? Are you even active in crafting or even achive 4 star status? I look up your jobs and found you got 4 jobs that is combat 60, im guessing you do not gear SMN and use same gear on SCH as WHM. I see a lot of gear is 260, are you trying to save up currecny to upgrade them? This also takes up space. Some people use 2 different gear sets on the left, and know 2 friends that have all 60 that do this, that gears each job differently to glam it different. One is i258+ all jobs (3-i270) and the other is 235+ while having a handful of i265 +. Both have different sets on left for glam reasons that share gear. Furthermore 25 armory is not enough if you are active in all jobs due to how upgrading relic works and how people may gear PvP and PvE differently.

Now as I am getting my relic book for SCH (as in this character/account), I have to use 3 books. One for push over content, one for when acc is needed, and the 3rd for PvP since I do not want piety on my book when I am PvPing. It may change to 2 books once this relic is 275 but I doono how the 2 books will compare since all I got is crit for push over content. If you want to fully optimize the space we get makes the game unplayable, we do not have enough. Furthermore, you do not even gather on the most space intensive gathering job there is, and will only be second to unspoiled cycles of using both MIN and BTN at once.

Getting all crafts to 60 is a joke since the game hands you exp, and does not reflect space use. How active you are in crafting or even knowing this fact:

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

I do not care if they have 1000 food (meals), that's not the complaint.

The complaint for CuL is needing 6 items to make something, where 3 of those are made from 6 other items, and one of those items is made from another 6 items. Yes it is that ridiculous it is one of the bread items. (well 4-6, depending what one ya talking about)

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Is a completely different manner.

For your hording point:

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

I have kept count since my last drop in Haulbreaker HM, I have run that GD dungeon 347 times and not once has the Berserker Gloves I've been after dropped. Not once. That is not a number I just pulled out, I have kept count of this one item and the attempts I've given. YP got to be out his mind.

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Some people keep some gear for glams because it takes too long to get.. (again) Like I am not going to toss out my 270 shire book, and since I am an alt ill prob keep it in my weapon armory since my retainers are filling up. There is a high chance even as an alt account I need a 3rd retainer for SB.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

Actually, has anyone considered making a second account using the free trial now that it's becoming unlimited to use as storage mules?

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You dont even need the free trial for alts if you pay the higher price. I am able to create more than enough alts but managing your inventory through alts is quite annoying. First you have to go through parts of the story again and have to get to 15 (?) or something to even get the retainers. After that you need someone or the FC chest to exchange your items since its not possible to befriend your Alt and thus you cant sent them post.

If you need another person to exchange the items this makes it really not convenient enough. Either because that person is not on when you need the items from your alt or its just way to slow in general. Maybe this could be something for items that you rarely need.

I for example own a personal FC. There is only a rl friend in it and my alt character. To have her in the FC I needed another person that invited me when I was on that alt character. It is a lot easier to exchange items since you can just put those items in the FC chest but its still annoying since you need to write down what the Alt has and you need to relog a lot.

So yes theoretically one could use an alt as storage mules but we should not need to go the extra way just to store all these things. Also glamour items which do take up a lot of my space (one whole retainer for it), housing items from events and other personal items are not exchangeable. So the problem with them still remains.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

You dont even need the free trial for alts if you pay the higher price. I am able to create more than enough alts but managing your inventory through alts is quite annoying. First you have to go through parts of the story again and have to get to 15 (?) or something to even get the retainers. After that you need someone or the FC chest to exchange your items since its not possible to befriendyour Alt and thus you cant sent them post.

If you need another person to exchange the items this makes it really not convenient enough. Either because that person is not on when you need the items from your alt or its just way to slow in general. Maybe this could be something for items that you rarely need.

I for example own a personal FC. There is only a rl friend in it and my alt character. To have her in the FC I needed another person that invited me when I was on that alt character. It is a lot easier to exchange items since you can just put those items in the FC chest but its still annoying since you need to write down what the Alt has and you need to relog a lot.

So yes theoretically one could use an alt as storage mules but we should not need to go the extra way just to store all these things. Also glamour items which do take up a lot of my space (one whole retainer for it), housing items from events and other personal items are not exchangeable. So the problem with them still remains.

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Ya it is a pain, and you can use a normal fc to "mail" stuff to you but it takes time.. and does not help that the fc chest has a long loading time.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

You dont even need the free trial for alts if you pay the higher price. I am able to create more than enough alts but managing your inventory through alts is quite annoying. First you have to go through parts of the story again and have to get to 15 (?) or something to even get the retainers. After that you need someone or the FC chest to exchange your items since its not possible to befriend your Alt and thus you cant sent them post.

If you need another person to exchange the items this makes it really not convenient enough. Either because that person is not on when you need the items from your alt or its just way to slow in general. Maybe this could be something for items that you rarely need.

I for example own a personal FC. There is only a rl friend in it and my alt character. To have her in the FC I needed another person that invited me when I was on that alt character. It is a lot easier to exchange items since you can just put those items in the FC chest but its still annoying since you need to write down what the Alt has and you need to relog a lot.

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Why should this be necessary?

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Originally Posted by Lycieus

Why should this be necessary?

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It shouldn't and as I explain, alts is a huge time sink anyway, so much so I stopped doing it. You can only trade 5 items at a time and now you are effectively doubling the time you spent looking in retainers unless you can effectively lower materiel use to 200 (my inventory and alt) but then you are going to have a few spaces used for currency you are about to use, so on so ofc you need some materials on retainers. So pulling from retainer + dealing with 5 item trades is just too much of an unnecessary time sink. Sure I put up with it for bigger profit margins on 1-2 mil sales but 200-400k (current 4 star gear and weapons now) it is simply not worth dealing with, at that price.

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Originally Posted by Lycieus

Why should this be necessary?

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As Ama said it shouldnt, but at least right now its the only way to really trade with you alt characters. Also my answer was more to show that you theoretically can do it but thats its quite time consuming and annoying.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

I meant to say "It just might be imagery" because how not doing expanded makes it appear to be 25 spots or whatever.

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While I know it's not the main point, I have collected enough key items at once to clarify how part of this works, or at least how it's displayed. Normally, when you have 25 or fewer key items, the (non-expanded) Key Items window only shows one tab, like this:

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...63c1c439ac.jpg

But as soon as you get a 26th Key Item, it automatically adds a second tab to that window:

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...40662b4687.jpg

I've never actually gotten beyond 50 key items to see it add a third tab, but presumably it could if it needed to. So the non-expanded inventory could show as many key items as the expanded display.

But the display doesn't prove how it works behind the scenes. For all we know, the Key Items inventory might not even have a fixed size or any "slots" per se. The display of it seems to just get as big as it needs to be to show whatever key items you have.

I never got to 25 so I had no idea it did that. regardless I still think the empty space transfer is not true it would not make sense. But all this theory crafting is off the point of the thread XD

Dear SE, please require us to hold less items, be it currency, etc.

Upvoted. All i had on my mind. SE really doesn't know what QoL is the more important to fix but they clearly should make a whole patch about storage revamp. And that key item talb really need some revamp, most useless thing ever, such waste of free storage space.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Upvoted. All i had on my mind. SE really doesn't know what QoL is the more important to fix but they clearly should make a whole patch about storage revamp. And that key item talb really need some revamp, most useless thing ever, such waste of free storage space.

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It would have a use if items went in it that should be classed as key items

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Originally Posted by Hamada

It would have a use if items went in it that should be classed as key items

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But they're not so that's what I mean by useless, key item aren't tagued key item.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...00#post4145200

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Q: I assume a lot of items will be introduced in Patch 4.0, but are there plans to increase the amount of retainers we can hire?

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A: We currently have no plans to increase the number of hirable retainers. Looking at the data of retainers being used, we believe the situation is fine as is. However, if it becomes heavily requested we will look into it.

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gotta keep telling them we have too meany items

"Looking at the data of retainer being used" hahaha. Damn I didn't think SE was so dumb. Did they really expect everyone to pay for more retainer? The real situation is people keep throwing things away from their retainer to not pay another one.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

"Looking at the data of retainer being used" hahaha. Damn I didn't think SE was so dumb. Did they really expect everyone to pay for more retainer? The real situation is people keep throwing things away from their retainer to not pay another one.

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Lol I wanted reply to that thread directly and simply say, look we have too much items as is, we do not have enough space for SB and 40 inventory and 10 per Amory is chipping a pebble out of a mountain.

Send this thread to your friends, have them all hit like that want inventory changes, lets make this the highest liked post ever on these boards.

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Q: I assume a lot of items will be introduced in Patch 4.0, but are there plans to increase the amount of retainers we can hire?
A: We currently have no plans to increase the number of hirable retainers. Looking at the data of retainers being used, we believe the situation is fine as is. However, if it becomes heavily requested we will look into it.

Of course people don't want to pay you extra money to fix a problem you created. Wow SE, hadn't seen this before.

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Originally Posted by Lycieus

Of course people don't want to pay you extra money to fix a problem you created. Wow SE, hadn't seen this before.

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Yup. Utterly tone deaf.

They should just make an account wide glamour log using 10k bits and a reference table thats local (probably around 100kb) which would at most add a total of 12gb total(assuming there was 10m accounts) for all accounts on all servers needed which im sure is an amount they can spare since, for perspective, i can fit more than 10 times that on the micro sd card i got 3 years ago
I think this method would be better than increasing inventory space since if I had to guess they need the same amount of storage or slightly more to increase the inventory slots by 40 like theyre doing in SB

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Originally Posted by Rin_Sato

They should just make an account wide glamour log

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We desperately need this.

I'm at the point where I have zero desire to do ANY content. At all. Earning more gear? I'll have to store the current gear (I like the appearances), and I have literally no more room for that. So nope, that's out of the question. That means that to me there is zero point in running primals, dungeons, Alexander raids, the 24-man raids... anything. And how long can I justify staying subbed like this? @_@

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Originally Posted by Naunet

We desperately need this.

I'm at the point where I have zero desire to do ANY content. At all. Earning more gear? I'll have to store the current gear (I like the appearances), and I have literally no more room for that. So nope, that's out of the question. That means that to me there is zero point in running primals, dungeons, Alexander raids, the 24-man raids... anything. And how long can I justify staying subbed like this? @_@

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I know someone getting close to that. Goes for current gear tries to gear all the jobs well but =/

I am just wondering, for all those that are tight with room right now, how do they expect us to function in SB? 40 personal inventory is not enough, we need storage solutions.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

I have kept count since my last drop in Haulbreaker HM, I have run that GD dungeon 347 times and not once has the Berserker Gloves I've been after dropped. Not once. That is not a number I just pulled out, I have kept count of this one item and the attempts I've given. YP got to be out his mind.

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Some people keep some gear for glams because it takes too long to get.. (again) Like I am not going to toss out my 270 shire book, and since I am an alt ill prob keep it in my weapon armory since my retainers are filling up. There is a high chance even as an alt account I need a 3rd retainer for SB.

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I like to point back at this, I mean there is a reason people hate rng.... now we do not have the room to keep something we like ....
I am really considering I may just have to take a 3rd retainer on my alt account, on an alt! these things cost way too much=/ why do they even cost so much anyway?

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Originally Posted by Hamada

I know someone getting close to that. Goes for current gear tries to gear all the jobs well but =/

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Yeah. I've been leveling all jobs on my main. Storing their current gear, plus all the various potential glamour gears, plus multiple levels of crafting gear because I'm leveling all of those, plus the bazillion currencies and various unobtainable housing items and such... I have literally zero room for more things. I can't even fathom continuing to level my classes up to 60, because that's just going to mean more gear.

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I am really considering I may just have to take a 3rd retainer on my alt account, on an alt! these things cost way too much=/ why do they even cost so much anyway?

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Don't do it. You'll only encourage SE.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Yeah. I've been leveling all jobs on my main. Storing their current gear, plus all the various potential glamour gears, plus multiple levels of crafting gear because I'm leveling all of those, plus the bazillion currencies and various unobtainable housing items and such... I have literally zero room for more things. I can't even fathom continuing to level my classes up to 60, because that's just going to mean more gear.



Don't do it. You'll only encourage SE.

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I really really don't and im trying to resist paying 9.99 more a month from the bad coding cuz of the lag issues. But if i must then =/sighs ill try not to though

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Originally Posted by Naunet

We desperately need this.

I'm at the point where I have zero desire to do ANY content. At all. Earning more gear? I'll have to store the current gear (I like the appearances), and I have literally no more room for that. So nope, that's out of the question. That means that to me there is zero point in running primals, dungeons, Alexander raids, the 24-man raids... anything. And how long can I justify staying subbed like this? @_@

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This is the biggest reason this is an issue. The basis for many people doing content that isn't from the current patch is glamour/crafting mats. If people can't hold the rewards for this content they won't do it, and people will unsub. It might not happen soon, but it will happen. If Square wants to continue being petty with space, then it's ultimately gonna cost them a lot more than what they make from extra retainer sales.

Its kinda sad how SE choose to read their numbers. Like others already said, most people wont pay real life money for retainers. They could have at least give us one more free retainer..but nope numbers cant be lying, people are totally fine with all of it. >_> And I am quite sure that if people would want more retainers they would only give us more paid ones instead of at least one free retainer and if people wont buy them, they just go around and say how everything is difficult because people will change their opinion so often..

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Its kinda sad how SE choose to read their numbers. Like others already said, most people wont pay real life money for retainers. They could have at least give us one more free retainer..but nope numbers cant be lying, people are totally fine with all of it. >_> And I am quite sure that if people would want more retainers they would only give us more paid ones instead of at least one free retainer and if people wont buy them, they just go around and say how everything is difficult because people will change their opinion so often..

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Yeah what does it mean? they expect people pay double their sub and stuff 8 retainers before doing anything?

So I have to say I'm pretty disappointed with the combat revamp news from today. I was expecting a skill that increases the number of available free retainers by 200%.

Why are we lacking this?:
https://i.gyazo.com/c88996edc2d1de35...774c6dd251.png
https://i.gyazo.com/412c063086927977...f570e60928.png
https://i.gyazo.com/5045a872ff656870...e2eaec1bb7.png
https://i.gyazo.com/912006b7cacf570d...c6c4b97212.png

We can have a tab for Beast tribe (and beast tribe items, you know the items that drop from fates relating to them) Upgrade materials like void ark coins.. relic currency.. Now granted my friend could just spend them, but why allow this:

and the thing is this is not even all the currencies that exist.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Why are we lacking this?:
https://i.gyazo.com/c88996edc2d1de35...774c6dd251.png
https://i.gyazo.com/412c063086927977...f570e60928.png
https://i.gyazo.com/5045a872ff656870...e2eaec1bb7.png
https://i.gyazo.com/912006b7cacf570d...c6c4b97212.png

We can have a tab for Beast tribe (and beast tribe items, you know the items that drop from fates relating to them) Upgrade materials like void ark coins.. relic currency.. Now granted my friend could just spend them, but why allow this:

and the thing is this is not even all the currencies that exist.

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What game is this screen shot from?

runescape sorry, I was just trying to show how our currencies can be delt with, not filling our inventories to get us to rent for overpriced retainers.

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Originally Posted by Lycieus

What game is this screen shot from?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Its kinda sad how SE choose to read their numbers. Like others already said, most people wont pay real life money for retainers. They could have at least give us one more free retainer..but nope numbers cant be lying, people are totally fine with all of it. >_> And I am quite sure that if people would want more retainers they would only give us more paid ones instead of at least one free retainer and if people wont buy them, they just go around and say how everything is difficult because people will change their opinion so often..

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Yeah what does it mean? they expect people pay double their sub and stuff 8 retainers before doing anything?

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Considering one of the questions asked during the recent live letter was if there were plans to increase the amount of retainers we could hire--which btw the response was that they have no plans on adding it cuz it seems fine atm--it seems that S.E. is not only confident that the retainer service works for the playerbase but also, potentially some of the playerbase actually don't mind and/or like the retainer service.

I think it would be a cool idea if they it made where instead of needing to keep the piece of armor you're keeping for glam you could save the actual appearance of a piece of gear into like a glamor log made specifically for glamor and in order to save that appearance you need the corresponding prism and then you could just delete the gear and still have its appearance saved into the log