Soo... apparently Diadem has i280 weapons with higher WD than alexandrian/anima lux

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Originally Posted by Aylis

From what I understand, not only is the drop rate low but the chances of getting one are slim enough as it is, never mind getting the perfect roll on one when it comes to stats. So RNG on top of grinds on top of more RNG. All this sounds like to me is the games way of passing time and giving the players who already worked for everything and have nothing else to really accomplish in the current game something else to try and obtain. It sounds like a final "busy work" content before the expansion comes.

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I'm sorry to say but this reason is off the charts stupid. A final busywork? What on Earth? We finished the best weapon 2 weeks ago and those were best, even better than raid weapons. Where was the final "Busywork" as you claim during coils then? It was the relic and we didn't need another weapon to invalidate the long grind of the relic. Please use proper reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Let's be real, if Diadem rewards were weaker than existing ones, no one would do it.

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To be honest even if they had just given 265-275 weapons people would of done it. I actually think the content isn't that bad just the reward. Only thing extra I would like would be Grand Company seals dropping from the FATES.

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Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

Well then, please explain to me why people keep doing Palace of the Dead 51+

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51+ means faster leveling, once you hit 60 you have an i255 weapon out of the gate. You cant progress and exchange those weapons if all you do is 1-10. Only reason I do PoD: to level up those other jobs.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart;4066500y goo

I hope relics won't simply "drop" in Eureka, but will still use upgrade stages.

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Considering what yoshi said the first step might just drop from there as for the upgrade that's anybody's guess

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Let's be real, if Diadem rewards were weaker than existing ones, no one would do it.

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Yes they would, the same way shitloads of people are now doing PVP because of 3 mounts. Imagine mounts *and* rare minions *and* i265 weapons which are easier to get than Zurvan weapons *and* mats for food for current raid content *and* perhaps even another way of getting light/lore for anima.
There's a vast amount of things they couldve done to make people want to do diadem which don't just say "f*ck you* to every raider in the game.

Can anyone confirm that if you go into Diadem via FC ship that you can set the loot rules to standard and that the weapon will be a group roll? Someone told me a friend of him got 3 weapons already.

Without reading all of the posts on this rapidly-growing thread, I offer my two thoughts.

(1) This was probably the most spectacular screw-up in terms of item balance that SE has made since at least the release of Heavensward, and possibly in all of FFXIV ARR. Absolutely terrible.

(2) I am even more deeply concerned now about SE's capacity to internally assess and balance content. This simply shouldn't be happening. A 10-year-old could have told them this was a bad idea that made no sense on the surface of it. Whatever process SE has in place for ensuring design quality, they need to revisit it.

I personally don't mind this, coming from someone who has completed a12s months ago. We are at the end of a expansion cycle, having people jump in ilv is a good thing, especially for players who are coming back. Then again, I've stopped caring about "getting stronger" a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Latallat

Yes they would...

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Imagine it? it happened. Diadem 1.0 had rare minions and mounts, unique items for anima, and once the 205 armors appeared it was on life support, with the occasional gathering run, certainly dead for battle classes and not enough for the content in the vast zone.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

One of the FFXIV fansites (Gamer Escape) is already posting the details of these weapons in their wiki, pink weapons with randomized secondary stats, but with 2 more weapon damage and +13 more main stat, and if we learned anything from the previous Diadem is that pink gear can also have "perfect" secondary stats.

Creator Savage lockout is still not removed and Anima Lux was added barely weeks ago, a bit too soon to invalidate everything.

Example http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Coven_Spear

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wow haha now all my jobs can be geared op awesomee

As someone who completed the Anima I'm not really mad. I mostly do the Relic quests for the story/achievements/passing time between patches.

I am a bit confused. It's very bizarre to me that they would release a new BiS weapon before even making the Gobdip for Shire weapons available outside of Savage Raiding, before unlocking the loot restriction on Savage, and so soon after the conclusion of the Relic quest.

I was expecting the new weapons to be i265 to match the Zurvan Ex weapons similarly to how PotD weapons matched Nidhogg and Sophia Extreme weapons and hoped they would be a reasonable grind for alt classes. As it stands they are super weapons for winning the RNG lottery and I have no interest in grinding for them.

I will go to the new Diadem to get the new minions and then likely forget about it until Stormblood.

Drop rates are so low that I am fine with the weapon being 280.

I worked for my 2 relics and this doesn't bother me at all. I'm fine with rng on rng on rng on rng, vs working to learn savage fights and getting guaranteed weapons.

I don't bother with BiS like some of you are obsessed with, cuz gear I worked for has been replaced only 3 months later. Why is like 2 months later the trigger for you all?

Now all your vertical progression people get to feel what XI players complain about when they work hard to get gear that becomes garbage 3 months later. They were use to having all their gear ALWAYS mattering.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

I am a bit confused. It's very bizarre to me that they would release a new BiS weapon before even making the Gobdip for Shire weapons available outside of Savage Raiding, before unlocking the loot restriction on Savage, and so soon after the conclusion of the Relic quest.

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This is the main point of all the complains. Sad that there are so many people who don't understand that this release pattern isn't 'normal' (as in 'how it's always been), nor balanced with other current contents.

Relic, crafted gear or random drops where never BiS before the current raid tier ended. This 280 weapons don't have anything to do with the gear progression people are used to.

What is the advantage in speeding up the gear process in this way, when there are 3 common ones (deleting weekly lockout, giving weapon upgrade for hunts/dunscath, nerf older relic steps) people are used to and which didn't arrive yet, although those are worse items than the diadem weapon.


I just want to farm my creator BiS for 13 jobs and then take a break... at least then I won't see all those BiS weapons at all. Lockout has to go away. D:

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

I worked for my 2 relics and this doesn't bother me at all. I'm fine with rng on rng on rng on rng, vs working to learn savage fights and getting guaranteed weapons.

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How are they guaranteed if we put work into the fight?????

Thats just a tiny bit frustrating,we spend dozen of hours on relic ,beating dungeon,farming to get stone,craft what needed and all,for that someone lucky enoough for that in 1 hour,makes all of that farm pointless. and only after some weeks after the end of the relics,if it was 1 month before stormblood and all,i think it would have been ok.but thats too soon,way too soon.And if the weapond dmg wasent that high it would have been better,but there,the weapon are way too good.

i don't how they came up with the new gear of the diadem,but they certainly didnt took enough time to think about it.

I understand when people say relic are more neat glamour gear,but its when you hit the next expansion,not in the current expension.Thats total non-sense that diadem for me.

Personally speaking not that shocked... or suprised really... I've seen them revise bad idea's before (& even revive a bad idea in another game were the idea is no longer bad just "meh") my only hope is they just go "Oh Crap! 'facepalm' forgot about that, lets drop it buy 5-10ilv's", but to be fair I have low hopes they will, quess i better get my Boot covers outa storage as I'll probably end up walking into that

edit: also I concidered the Relic a side-quest since day 1, a whole I don't need this but I'll make it anyway, I mean I can just get a weapon from Alex nm after 7-8 weeks (per tier release) like I already was doing but why not lets grind this semi-easy weapon for my main & give the higher time-gate weapons to my side classes (thought I'd be only making 1 relic per expansion but AST proved me wrong thou, AST wep 230 atm)

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Imagine it? it happened. Diadem 1.0 had rare minions and mounts, unique items for anima, and once the 205 armors appeared it was on life support, with the occasional gathering run, certainly dead for battle classes and not enough for the content in the vast zone.

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It had 1 mount iirc, which wasn't that hard to get. The anima items were hard as shit to get.
By contrast PoD stays reasonably relevant and not dead because it still offers things which are fun to get, as well as levelling etc. The only reason Diadem died originally is because it had zero exposure in-game and SE didn't keep patching it or adding to it.
Again, the fix to Diadem is just to do that ^
NOT to instantly make redundant 2 years worth of weapon (and other stuff).
It's also kinda ruined it for people who enjoy beating parses and fflogs scores etc - although I get that's a much smaller concern.

Even after reading all of the salt in this thread, I still don't care. People acting like someone walked up and punched them in the face need to get over themselves. Its a 4x RNG weapon, at the end of an expansion. Its there for those who care to try and get one. If you don't like it, simply dont do it. But what will really happen is all those people who value dps over anything else will put up PFs requiring it. Cuz thats what our side of the world does.

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Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

Oh wait, you can't, because - surprise - content doesn't need to drop gear to be worth doing.

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You like making questions and answers, apparently...People do it for random rewards, and as a fun sideactivity for solo or 4-man groups. You can't gather 72 people in the same content with only advertising "fun activities". Like I said, people are obsessed with earning the best items all the time, so, to motivate them, you give them better options.

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Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

There's simply no excuse for this, and whiteknighting of such incredibly stupid and obviously misguided dev decisions isn't gonna get us better content in the future.

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That's as stupid as complaining that your BiS in 3.0 was replaced by new gear in 3.2...Damn, I actually know some people that were upset with the level cap increase because they suddenly weren't max level anymore.

You know what ? In fact, since Creator was easier than Midas and Midas was easier than Gordias, they should've dropped lower gear so that all insecure weebies could keep throwing their better gear in our faces.

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Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

"lol your entire BiS is now obsolete have fun grinding Diadem" bullshit.

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And that's absolutely no overcrying...Your weapon might get replaced by a Coven one, and suddently you act like your whole Creator/Upgraded scripture gear is garbage.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

I am a bit confused. It's very bizarre to me that they would release a new BiS weapon before even making the Gobdip for Shire weapons available outside of Savage Raiding, before unlocking the loot restriction on Savage, and so soon after the conclusion of the Relic quest.

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This was not even supposed to happen. Remember: Diadem got delayed due to bugs, this i280 weapon was supposed to arrive at the same time as the Relic's victory lap. For all I see: they never meant the i275 relic to be BiS for any period of time. The fact that it was for 2 weeks was an accident.

Whether or not adding this i280 weapon in the game was a good idea, I don't understand how SE was so easily able to make this decision. Did they really not stop and think about what the player base's opinion might have been? is that not a consideration for them?

Either SE has too much faith in the community that we will blindly accept any thing they add to this game, or they just don't care what we think.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

How are they guaranteed if we put work into the fight?????

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Because when raiding, or getting relic, the weapon is there, at the end of the tunnel. There's not a chance that it may be there - It will be.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Even after reading all of the salt in this thread, I still don't care. People acting like someone walked up and punched them in the face need to get over themselves. Its a 4x RNG weapon, at the end of an expansion. Its there for those who care to try and get one. If you don't like it, simply dont do it. But what will really happen is all those people who value dps over anything else will put up PFs requiring it. Cuz thats what our side of the world does.

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On topic ^ sums up my feelings nicely.

People here really aren't grasping how hard it's going to be to actually get this weapon. This weapon does not "invalidate" your 275 relic. I can almost guarantee within the next couple of months I will see a post on here that reads "Make it Easier to get the ilvl280 Diadem Weapons waaaaah". I do not expect to get this weapon and I will continue to work on my relic. In all honesty the relic is a glamour item. That's all it has ever been. It always reaches a point where it has the highest I'll then they add something new. They just added the new item fairly quickly this time around. Is it unprecedented? Yea sure. Should people be threatening to leave the game over it? Nah.

So I totally slept all of wen away so we had a content update and now diadem is out this morning? is whats happening?

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Originally Posted by LuckiGoLucki

People here really aren't grasping how hard it's going to be to actually get this weapon. This weapon does not "invalidate" your 275 relic. I can almost guarantee within the next couple of months I will see a post on here that reads "Make it Easier to get the ilvl280 Diadem Weapons waaaaah". I do not expect to get this weapon and I will continue to work on my relic. In all honesty the relic is a glamour item. That's all it has ever been. It always reaches a point where it has the highest I'll then they add something new. They just added the new item fairly quickly this time around. Is it unprecedented? Yea sure. Should people be threatening to leave the game over it? Nah.

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You are talking as if the Anima was a good glamour. Anima weapon looks bad compared to Relic. Diadem is just a slap in the face to people that grinded for Anima. Not only they get an ugly weapon, but it's not even the best anymore.

I'm not sure how much this will help but on reddit the mods handling the ffxiv subreddit will be at PAX East and they made a poll so they could give some feedback on the addition of 280 weapons in diadem. I thought I would put it on this forum as well. So if you really want your feelings heard then put a vote in.

https://strawpoll.com/4zz5bd5

The point is that this weapons came shortly after the 275 relic step and should've been in the same patch if they wouldn't have found a bug in diadem. So planned on giving it out to the same time and if it is nearly impossible to get the 280 weapons, perfect because its the strongest weapon in the game at the moment and shouldn't be easier to get then a relic or savage weapon.

I personally plan to continue my relic progression. My *ONLY* wish? That come Stormblood we could just continue upgrading it as we leveled, not have to wait until lvl 70 to exchange it for the next relic line (and I don't care if someone else can start their lvl 70 relic without having this one.)

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Diadem is just a slap in the face to people that grinded for Anima.

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It's really not though. I agree with Lucki that you don't really understand the RNG and pure luck it's going to take to get a 280 weapon, let alone one with desired stats.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

It's really not though. I agree with Lucki that you don't really understand the RNG and pure luck it's going to take to get a 280 weapon, let alone one with desired stats.

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But the fact that the possibilty even exists (when there really is no point for it to) is enough to dissuade anyone into putting more time into the anima relic, and to make people question what the point was in the first place (other than glamour)

I don't get all the uproar this has caused. I did my anima from the very beginning, always when it came out, no nerfed steps. I DO NOT feel like I wasted my time or energy now that there is a >1% possibility I could get a "better" weapon. My sense of accomplishment from completing this quest line (which not only was for the weapon, but also the story, which I liked very much), has not been diminished because now some people who didn't do the relic can POSSIBLY get a better weapon than me.

I'm going to keep running all the extreme primals I've been fighting with my glorious 275 that I worked for and am happy with, and try to clear the ones I haven't yet (with a weapon that is better than what people had when the fights first came out and people were clearing them).

This new weapon really has no effect on me at all, and I feel bad for those people who are so upset about this that they are going to unsub or something. When I get home from work tonight, I'm going to try out Diadem and hopefully enjoy it. Imma get me those super cute minions, maybe some nice acc, and potentially some cool glamour.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

You are talking as if the Anima was a good glamour. Anima weapon looks bad compared to Relic. Diadem is just a slap in the face to people that grinded for Anima. Not only they get an ugly weapon, but it's not even the best anymore.

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Your opinion on how a weapon looks doesn't matter here. Please stay on topic. We are talking about weapon power. I'll reword it this way: these two weapons are actually on pretty even ground. We are always going to see people with the 275 (which is hard for some people to grind out). You may see a random person with the 280 and they managed to get it through sheer luck or massive amounts of grinding; which mean they definitely earned it just as you earned your relic.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

But the fact that the possibilty even exists (when there really is no point for it to) is enough to dissuade anyone into putting more time into the anima relic, and to make people question what the point was in the first place (other than glamour)

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Except, I'm still working on my Anima and have no plans to stop because of Diadem. I will be doing diadem beside it and cool if lady luck decides I get a SMN book that blows my anima out of the water. I'm not going to cry over wasted time. Playing the game is wasted time, after all.

Your post holds no water.

anyone remember when relic was introduced in 3.1 and we saw what the unidentifiable step was like and the reason yoshi said that is was such a grind to do was because it was meant to be comparible to those who had done alexander gordias savage.

Looks at new diadem >_> yea thats comparible to both creator savage and all relic steps

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

Except, I'm still working on my Anima and have no plans to stop because of Diadem. I will be doing diadem beside it and cool if lady luck decides I get a SMN book that blows my anima out of the water. I'm not going to cry over wasted time. Playing the game is wasted time, after all.

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do you then, buddy.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

But the fact that the possibilty even exists (when there really is no point for it to) is enough to dissuade anyone into putting more time into the anima relic, and to make people question what the point was in the first place (other than glamour)

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I'm still going to work on mine. A 0.01% chance at getting an i280 weapon with junk stats doesn't change that for me.

That being said, I do not define myself or my character by the gear she has. All gear in this game has a shelf life <6 months.

Bring back the regen WHM boots, then I will care again. Until then, nope.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

But the fact that the possibilty even exists (when there really is no point for it to) is enough to dissuade anyone into putting more time into the anima relic, and to make people question what the point was in the first place (other than glamour)

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If people feel like they should drop the anima over this then that's their problem and honestly it's a bit sad. I guess I'm not put off by such things so easily. I hate to use this terminology: but that's how a "special snowflake" reacts to not getting things his/her way.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

This is the main point of all the complains. Sad that there are so many people who don't understand that this release pattern isn't 'normal' (as in 'how it's always been), nor balanced with other current contents.

Relic, crafted gear or random drops where never BiS before the current raid tier ended. This 280 weapons don't have anything to do with the gear progression people are used to.

What is the advantage in speeding up the gear process in this way, when there are 3 common ones (deleting weekly lockout, giving weapon upgrade for hunts/dunscath, nerf older relic steps) people are used to and which didn't arrive yet, although those are worse items than the diadem weapon.


I just want to farm my creator BiS for 13 jobs and then take a break... at least then I won't see all those BiS weapons at all. Lockout has to go away. D:

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Yeah it's really odd.
My best guess is that SE was using logic similar to that of the 3 line Wondrous Tails gear rewards: It'll be rare enough to not through off game balance or invalidate the normal stuff.
The Diadem weapons basically take that to the next level by being even rarer and flat out superior to other options instead of being the same strength with guaranteed melds.

I seem to remember an interview saying that feedback on the new Diadem will influence development on Eureka so it could also be a testing ground for RNG based progression.

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Originally Posted by Latallat

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If you want to run diadem the long amount of times to get the weapon for your main and sub classes, have at it. You might get lucky! But don't pretend that the fight or grind is a trivial one. if you are really looking to top fflogs or pop in after a break to get this weapon, that is potentially a lot of time to "speed run"(if you can even do that) this content to say nothing of the random stats, so, better get friendly with those 72 players...